1. jean15paul's Avatar
    So I just read that the Apple Watch doesn't support sleep tracking. REALLY?!?!?

    Does this just mean that there's no 1st party app (i.e. app made by Apple) that does sleep tracking, or will there be no 3rd party sleep tracking support either?

    I feel like this is a pretty core function that almost all wearables support, so for Apple to leave it out completely is surprising. Is this just a compromise to avoid additional complaints about battery life? I mean all the necessary sensors are there, so there's no technical reason that it couldn't track sleep. (Battery life not withstanding.)

    I use my Pebble for sleep tracking every night, so this is a big missing feature for me.
    04-10-2015 01:45 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    I believe the expectation is for people to charge the device while sleeping, and you can't do that while wearing it... and if you're one who really, really wants that functionality, then the Watch might not be something you want to buy...
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    04-10-2015 01:50 PM
  3. jean15paul's Avatar
    I believe the expectation is for people to charge the device while sleeping, and you can't do that while wearing it... and if you're one who really, really wants that functionality, then the Watch might not be something you want to buy...
    Understood, but I'd be willing to wear my watch all day, charge it when I get home from work (while watching TV, eating dinner, etc), and then put it back on for sleep tracking at bed time. Apple shouldn't neuter the functionality just because they want me to charge at a certain time. #dissapointed
    Last edited by jean15paul; 04-10-2015 at 04:01 PM.
    04-10-2015 02:00 PM
  4. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Understood, but I'd been willing to wear my watch all day, charge it when I get home from work (while watching TV, eating dinner, etc), and then put it back on for sleep tracking at bed time. Apple shouldn't neuter the functionality just because they want me to charge at a certain time. #dissapointed
    Im guessing Apple's just taking it slowly. Several of the sensors on the watch are not available to third parties. I would be surprised if they opened up the platform more around the time of WWDC in June.
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    04-10-2015 02:19 PM
  5. John Yester's Avatar
    More likely they will have apps that handle this and connect to health app. but agreed with the above statement of taking it off to charge.
    04-10-2015 02:23 PM
  6. iEd's Avatar
    Understood, but I'd been willing to wear my watch all day, charge it when I get home from work (while watching TV, eating dinner, etc), and then put it back on for sleep tracking at bed time. Apple shouldn't neuter the functionality just because they want me to charge at a certain time. #dissapointed
    #dontbuyit


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    04-10-2015 02:30 PM
  7. kjparfekt's Avatar
    I also use my pebble to sleep track. During my try on appointment I showed the employee how I only slept for 5 hours (up past 3 am for the preorder of the watch) and only 1 hr 41 minutes of deep sleep. I don't see how they will be able to offer any sort of sleep tracking given the battery life issue. Minimally it could keep track of when you place it on the charger and remove it in the morning for a rough over estimate of total sleep.

    I also don't take my pebble off to shower. It's been helpful a few times needing to jump out of the shower to take a call. Going to be disappointed with that feature missing as well.
    04-10-2015 02:31 PM
  8. kjparfekt's Avatar
    #dontbuyit


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    #MakeACompleteDevice - the fact that it has areas where it is less functional than a nearly 2 year old device is an issue. Also is an issue that sleep is an integral part of health which is a main focus of the Apple Watch. If you haven't worn a smart watch I could see why you're quick to make a smart comment instead of contributing to a discussion.
    04-10-2015 02:33 PM
  9. bamf-hacker's Avatar
    Sleep tracking would only work if you could hold a charge overnight. With about 18 hours of battery life that would be next to impossible for most people unless the device was charged during the day.
    04-10-2015 02:34 PM
  10. HankAZ's Avatar
    #dontbuyit
    #MakeACompleteDevice - the fact that it has areas where it is less functional than a nearly 2 year old device is an issue. Also is an issue that sleep is an integral part of health which is a main focus of the Apple Watch. If you haven't worn a smart watch I could see why you're quick to make a smart comment instead of contributing to a discussion.
    I don't see it being as much of a "smart comment" as it is just being realistic.

    This forum is full of people who buy Apple devices and then want to complain that "this feature" or "that one" is missing. Don't misunderstand - I am a big Apple user - Macs, iPhones, iPads, Apple routers, AppleTVs and even iPods. But I am not getting an Watch because I don't see the need at this time for me. But if I were to decide to purchase one, I'd make dang sure that it was capable of doing everything that I expect and need it to do. If, for whatever reason, it can't perform as I want/need it to, I would move along to a more capable device.

    Currently, the biggest issue with the Watch being able to do sleep tracking appears to be related to battery life. Apple will sort that out eventually, and then I fully expect them to expand the feature set and capability. Until that happens, I'd have to agree with iEd - #dontbuyit.
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    04-10-2015 03:03 PM
  11. iEd's Avatar
    #MakeACompleteDevice - the fact that it has areas where it is less functional than a nearly 2 year old device is an issue. Also is an issue that sleep is an integral part of health which is a main focus of the Apple Watch. If you haven't worn a smart watch I could see why you're quick to make a smart comment instead of contributing to a discussion.
    #ifitdoesntfityourneedsdontbuyit

    Doesn't matter if I haven't worn a smart watch. If a product doesn't offer features you need don't buy it.
    Not a smart comment..... but then again maybe it is "smart".


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    04-10-2015 03:05 PM
  12. kjparfekt's Avatar
    It actually does matter if you have worn a smart watch because only then will you know what features you actually use out of what is possible.

    No product is perfect but consumer feedback will help a gen 2 device be better. Personally I'm not going to wait a year for something to do everything when an existing device already does 90% of what I want even if it has some draw backs.

    Needless to say sleeping tracking is helpful as is a silent alarm that doesn't wake your partner in the morning. Hopefully these features are available in a second gen Apple Watch because I use them daily with my Pebble.
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    04-10-2015 03:12 PM
  13. SmartFah's Avatar
    Come on folks, this is a gen 1 product. Remember the first iPhone. It didn't even have copy & paste.

    Apple knows what they are doing. Over time, they may add that functionality. Then again, maybe they won't.

    Either way, seeing how the watch can't last longer than a day, and the majority of people charge their gadgets overnight. It's not practical to promote a sleep tracking feature, when it's expected that most people will be charging the device during this time.
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    04-10-2015 03:21 PM
  14. kch50428's Avatar
    Don't count out that there may come a 3rd party device/app combo for iPhones that has sleep tracking to work into the Health app - there is a 3rd party continuous glucose monitoring solution coming to market that can be used with iPhones... things are just beginning with the health stuff.
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    04-10-2015 03:25 PM
  15. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    Understood, but I'd been willing to wear my watch all day, charge it when I get home from work (while watching TV, eating dinner, etc), and then put it back on for sleep tracking at bed time. Apple shouldn't neuter the functionality just because they want me to charge at a certain time. #dissapointed
    That is a valid point. I would also like a sleep tracker but as my iPhone can perform this functionality, it's not a deal breaker for me. Still, I totally get where you are coming from vis-a-vis sensors and battery life though.
    04-10-2015 03:39 PM
  16. jean15paul's Avatar
    ...If you haven't worn a smart watch I could see why you're quick to make a smart comment instead of contributing to a discussion.
    Doesn't matter if I haven't worn a smart watch. If a product doesn't offer features you need don't buy it.
    ...
    It actually does matter if you have worn a smart watch because only then will you know what features you actually use out of what is possible. ...
    Using a smartwatch everyday is the best way to have a good perspective on what it's useful for and what you want it to be able to do. BUT I think the average person is smart enough to read about smart watches and have a good perspective and valuable input.
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    04-10-2015 04:12 PM
  17. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    #MakeACompleteDevice - the fact that it has areas where it is less functional than a nearly 2 year old device is an issue. Also is an issue that sleep is an integral part of health which is a main focus of the Apple Watch. If you haven't worn a smart watch I could see why you're quick to make a smart comment instead of contributing to a discussion.
    Easy, tiger.

    No-one said the Apple Watch would do exactly the same as any other watch and love it or hate it, them's the breaks.

    Of course, you are entirely allowed to have your own opinion, and the free exchange of ideas and opinions makes forums like this valuable resources but please don't take it personally. You have raised some excellent points so don't invalidate them by making passive-aggressive comments.
    04-10-2015 04:23 PM
  18. kjparfekt's Avatar
    # anything is an active disrespectful comment to the op. Please don't get this twisted and don't take offense to the fact that apple puts out a device while beautiful, stunning and I hope extremely useful in many regards but still lacking functionality of much older devices. Even android wear has always on color screens that last more than 24 (not 18 hours).

    I feel as though the op stated a specific issue and comments have been pointless "I love apple and if you don't then buy something else" comments are coming through instead of any discussion.

    I'm shocked that there is any response other than - yes I hope battery life or some other solution comes about to enable sleep tracking because I too see how that is useful when gauging health.
    04-10-2015 04:32 PM
  19. kjparfekt's Avatar
    "Easy tiger" is more passive aggressive than anything I've said HighRise
    04-10-2015 04:33 PM
  20. miketko's Avatar
    I personally find it uncomfortable wearing my jawbone up 24 while I slept, let alone a watch.

    Who sleeps with a watch on???
    04-10-2015 04:42 PM
  21. HankAZ's Avatar
    # anything is an active disrespectful comment to the op. Please don't get this twisted and don't take offense to the fact that apple puts out a device while beautiful, stunning and I hope extremely useful in many regards but still lacking functionality of much older devices. Even android wear has always on color screens that last more than 24 (not 18 hours).

    I feel as though the op stated a specific issue and comments have been pointless "I love apple and if you don't then buy something else" comments are coming through instead of any discussion.

    I'm shocked that there is any response other than - yes I hope battery life or some other solution comes about to enable sleep tracking because I too see how that is useful when gauging health.
    #BovineSquat
    04-10-2015 04:43 PM
  22. Bigeric23's Avatar
    I wouldn't want to wear a watch to bed, but that is just me.

    Does overnight heart rate give an indication of overall health? I'm curious.
    04-10-2015 04:43 PM
  23. iEd's Avatar
    Apple makes it very clear on their website what the watch does. What it does it interesting to me and introducing it into my communication stream.
    I know what it does based on what Apple has presented and what it doesn't do based on the same criteria.
    I looked at the features it has currently and asked the question is this something I can use? Yes or No.
    If sleep tracking is important to a buyer and the product doesn't offer that and another product does get the product that has what you want.
    What about all the other features the Apple Watch has. If those features aren't attractive or seen as useful again don't buy it.
    I'm not going to complain about a product I don't own. I'm going to make a informed decision and buy it or not buy it.
    If in its current form it's disappointing why be bothered.


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    04-10-2015 04:46 PM
  24. miketko's Avatar
    Seriously. How uncomfortable, I have never once considered wearing my pebble to sleep. If you want to track sleep and have a silent alarm pick up a jawbone up. They aren't that expensive anymore.
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    04-10-2015 04:47 PM
  25. kjparfekt's Avatar
    I'm concerned Hank you won't be able to track your golf and naps on one charge. #oldage. I'm half kidding. Using the golf gps app on my pebble during a round uses battery quick figuring I checked distance about 45 times in a round.

    With that note I'm out of this thread. OP if you want to chat hit me with a pm.
    04-10-2015 04:49 PM
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