1. jean15paul's Avatar
    I personally find it uncomfortable wearing my jawbone up 24 while I slept, let alone a watch.

    Who sleeps with a watch on???
    I wouldn't want to wear a watch to bed, but that is just me.

    Does overnight heart rate give an indication of overall health? I'm curious.
    Seriously. How uncomfortable, I have never once considered wearing my pebble to sleep. If you want to track sleep and have a silent alarm pick up a jawbone up. They aren't that expensive anymore.
    I thought the same thing, but I quickly adjusted.

    I was using an app to track my sleep that required me to put my phone on the mattress next to me, and used the accelerometer to track movement, but unfortunately it tracked mattress movement not necessarily my movement (i.e. my wife's movement also). The app is compatible with Pebble, so when I got a Pebble I started using that to be more accurate. I thought sleeping with a watch was weird, but I quickly adjusted.

    I have a sleep disorder, so sleep tracking is important to me.
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    04-10-2015 05:12 PM
  2. jean15paul's Avatar
    I'm concerned Hank you won't be able to track your golf and naps on one charge. #oldage. I'm half kidding. Using the golf gps app on my pebble during a round uses battery quick figuring I checked distance about 45 times in a round.

    With that note I'm out of this thread. OP if you want to chat hit me with a pm.
    Don't let disagreements run you off.
    04-10-2015 05:12 PM
  3. lowlifeplayer's Avatar
    I agree that posts stating any version of "just do not buy it" add very little value to the conversation. The OP is well aware that it is not a requirement to purchase the watch.

    That being said, I agree with the OP in that sleep tracking is an important function of health. It is disappointing that it was not included in the watch. I currently utilize a vivosmart for workout and sleep tracking, and have adjusted my sleep behavior because of the data it records. I would be more than willing to charge the watch prior to going to sleep in order to receive that data, but the option is not available. What this demonstrates is that battery limitations have resulted in functionality limitations. I would give up some other functionalities such as the odd app selection screen, the "side button" (presumably it can be a little more battery space) for the sleep function, and even "some" apps that poll the phone (if it kills battery).

    My hopes are that Apple continues to refine this version as they most certainly will do so that the batter life can support sleep. Which phone apps are you guys and gals using to track your sleep? How accurate would you say they are? When I wake up and feel less than refreshed my Garmin data matches what I feel.
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    04-10-2015 07:35 PM
  4. kch50428's Avatar
    The Watch can't be every sensor for every need... Maybe there will soon be a 3rd party sensor to go with a watch app for sleep monitoring? We don't know about everything that's coming... Be patient.
    04-10-2015 07:49 PM
  5. HankAZ's Avatar
    I'm concerned Hank you won't be able to track your golf and naps on one charge. #oldage. I'm half kidding. Using the golf gps app on my pebble during a round uses battery quick figuring I checked distance about 45 times in a round.

    With that note I'm out of this thread. OP if you want to chat hit me with a pm.
    Way to roll. Throw a jab and then disappear into woodwork.

    Imaging how dull this place (and the world) would be if everyone agreed about everything all the time.
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    04-10-2015 08:04 PM
  6. HankAZ's Avatar
    I agree that posts stating any version of "just do not buy it" add very little value to the conversation. The OP is well aware that it is not a requirement to purchase the watch.

    That being said, I agree with the OP in that sleep tracking is an important function of health. It is disappointing that it was not included in the watch. I currently utilize a vivosmart for workout and sleep tracking, and have adjusted my sleep behavior because of the data it records. I would be more than willing to charge the watch prior to going to sleep in order to receive that data, but the option is not available. What this demonstrates is that battery limitations have resulted in functionality limitations. I would give up some other functionalities such as the odd app selection screen, the "side button" (presumably it can be a little more battery space) for the sleep function, and even "some" apps that poll the phone (if it kills battery).

    My hopes are that Apple continues to refine this version as they most certainly will do so that the batter life can support sleep. Which phone apps are you guys and gals using to track your sleep? How accurate would you say they are? When I wake up and feel less than refreshed my Garmin data matches what I feel.
    I fully understand that you want a sleep tracking function in the Apple watch. But in the present iteration, it is not there. I submit that suggesting that the OP just "not buy it" is sound advice.

    Suggesting that someone NOT buy a product that doesn't meet the needs of the purchaser is more correct than just saying "buy it and complain". Knowing that a necessary (to you) feature was omitted from the design, but buying the product anyway just make no sense at any price - but even more so for a device with a price tag between $350 and $17K.
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    04-10-2015 08:11 PM
  7. lowlifeplayer's Avatar
    I fully understand that you want a sleep tracking function in the Apple watch. But in the present iteration, it is not there. I submit that suggesting that the OP just "not buy it" is sound advice.

    Suggesting that someone NOT buy a product that doesn't meet the needs of the purchaser is more correct than just saying "buy it and complain". Knowing that a necessary (to you) feature was omitted from the design, but buying the product anyway just make no sense at any price - but even more so for a device with a price tag between $350 and $17K.

    I fully understand that you want a sleep tracking function in the Apple watch. But in the present iteration, it is not there. I submit that suggesting that the OP just "not buy it" is sound advice.

    Suggesting that someone NOT buy a product that doesn't meet the needs of the purchaser is more correct than just saying "buy it and complain". Knowing that a necessary (to you) feature was omitted from the design, but buying the product anyway just make no sense at any price - but even more so for a device with a price tag between $350 and $17K.
    Totally agree that if the product does not fit, do not buy it. My position is that making a comment of "just do not buy it" does not add to the discussion. The OP is already aware that he or she has that option, and does not really need to be told not to make a purchase, nor did he or she ask "should I buy it". I counted at least three valid questions posed by the OP, none of which have been addressed. Heck I did not even address them completely. Here goes my best answers.

    • Yes, the watch does not support sleep tracking at the moment
    • There are 3rd party apps that use the phone to track sleep. I asked which are the best with no response.
    • It probably is a compromise for battery life.
    • It does appear as if all the required sensors are in the watch. I do not know 100%


    Please, I do not want anyone to view this as a passive aggressive post. It just gets old when a question or challenge to Apple's paradigm is posed and answers suggest you should just deal with it or keep moving. If Apple does not hear the roar of the crowd, things will never improve. I remember when I was on the IPad forum as one of the first 50-100 purchasers of the first IPad and people made comments about how a camera on an IPad was useless. I remember being flayed for suggesting it would be a great feature. On the side note I still have the original AT&T's unlimited 29.99 data plan on my wife's IPad
    04-10-2015 08:46 PM
  8. jean15paul's Avatar
    Totally agree that if the product does not fit, do not buy it. My position is that making a comment of "just do not buy it" does not add to the discussion. The OP is already aware that he or she has that option, and does not really need to be told not to make a purchase, nor did he or she ask "should I buy it". I counted at least three valid questions posed by the OP, none of which have been addressed. Heck I did not even address them completely. Here goes my best answers.

    • Yes, the watch does not support sleep tracking at the moment
    • There are 3rd party apps that use the phone to track sleep. I asked which are the best with no response.
    • It probably is a compromise for battery life.
    • It does appear as if all the required sensors are in the watch. I do not know 100%


    Please, I do not want anyone to view this as a passive aggressive post. It just gets old when a question or challenge to Apple's paradigm is posed and answers suggest you should just deal with it or keep moving. If Apple does not hear the roar of the crowd, things will never improve. I remember when I was on the IPad forum as one of the first 50-100 purchasers of the first IPad and people made comments about how a camera on an IPad was useless. I remember being flayed for suggesting it would be a great feature. On the side note I still have the original AT&T's unlimited 29.99 data plan on my wife's IPad
    Thanks to you and to everyone for the responses. I guess my biggest remaining question is, Will Apple allow 3rd party sleep tracking apps for the Apple Watch specifically? Or do you think they won't approve them because of the battery complaint that could arise?
    04-10-2015 09:23 PM
  9. HankAZ's Avatar
    Please, I do not want anyone to view this as a passive aggressive post. It just gets old when a question or challenge to Apple's paradigm is posed and answers suggest you should just deal with it or keep moving. If Apple does not hear the roar of the crowd, things will never improve. I remember when I was on the IPad forum as one of the first 50-100 purchasers of the first IPad and people made comments about how a camera on an IPad was useless. I remember being flayed for suggesting it would be a great feature. On the side note I still have the original AT&T's unlimited 29.99 data plan on my wife's IPad
    While I understand, to a point, your comment, the fact remains that anyone only has those two options: buy it and live with the perceived shortcomings or buy something else. It really is a simple, albeit binary, choice.

    If Apple does indeed "hear the roar of the crowd", those who purchased generation 1 are still stuck, as the root cause appears to be at least partly battery life.


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    04-10-2015 09:27 PM
  10. lowlifeplayer's Avatar
    While I understand, to a point, your comment, the fact remains that anyone only has those two options: buy it and live with the perceived shortcomings or buy something else. It really is a simple, albeit binary, choice.

    If Apple does indeed "hear the roar of the crowd", those who purchased generation 1 are still stuck, as the root cause appears to be at least partly battery life.


    Sent from my mobile device via Tapatalk 3.2.1.
    It feels like this is a high jack of the OP's thread, and I am a participant. I am not sure if my point is clearly being expressed based up your response. I am not debating that there are two choices in front of every consumer, essentially, to buy or not to buy (we all know that those are options). What I am discussing is a person going on an internet thread in the hopes of gleaning information. The OP did not ask should he buy or not. He asked a sundry of questions and shared a frustration regarding the missing sleep tracking functionality. The responses did not address his questions or expand his knowledge in anyway.

    Being stuck with a generation 1 product has no bearing in this situation because the watch was purchased knowing what it can and cannot do. If someone bought the watch and complained about a missing function, that would be silly on their part. If someone bought the watch and complains that the generation 2 is better, that would be a double dose of silly.

    To answer the OP's most recent post.

    I sure hope they will allow 3rd party apps. During the keynote they shared that they had 1000 apps seeking approval, maybe one of these uses the current sensors to track sleep. I also read that the sensors available on the IPhone are also on the watch, minus gps, which is why it is able to function with out the phone. I theorize that if the phone can track sleep with its current sensors so can the watch.

    Will they allow an app that drains battery, or causes a concern for battery life, or battery complaints? I do not think a sleep tracker should cause significant battery life. I always understood that the screen and the radios are the main culprits in draining a battery. I believe (zero foundation) that Apple did not include the sleep tracker because the watch is listed for 18 hours. If they added that option I personally would complain "How can it track sleep if it dies, blah blah blah"?
    04-10-2015 10:32 PM
  11. jean15paul's Avatar
    It feels like this is a high jack of the OP's thread, and I am a participant. I am not sure if my point is clearly being expressed based up your response. I am not debating that there are two choices in front of every consumer, essentially, to buy or not to buy (we all know that those are options). What I am discussing is a person going on an internet thread in the hopes of gleaning information. The OP did not ask should he buy or not. He asked a sundry of questions and shared a frustration regarding the missing sleep tracking functionality. The responses did not address his questions or expand his knowledge in anyway.

    Being stuck with a generation 1 product has no bearing in this situation because the watch was purchased knowing what it can and cannot do. If someone bought the watch and complained about a missing function, that would be silly on their part. If someone bought the watch and complains that the generation 2 is better, that would be a double dose of silly.

    To answer the OP's most recent post.

    I sure hope they will allow 3rd party apps. During the keynote they shared that they had 1000 apps seeking approval, maybe one of these uses the current sensors to track sleep. I also read that the sensors available on the IPhone are also on the watch, minus gps, which is why it is able to function with out the phone. I theorize that if the phone can track sleep with its current sensors so can the watch.

    Will they allow an app that drains battery, or causes a concern for battery life, or battery complaints? I do not think a sleep tracker should cause significant battery life. I always understood that the screen and the radios are the main culprits in draining a battery. I believe (zero foundation) that Apple did not include the sleep tracker because the watch is listed for 18 hours. If they added that option I personally would complain "How can it track sleep if it dies, blah blah blah"?
    I appreciate the consideration of those trying to keep this post on topic and answer my original question. But I also appreciate the other replies too and the ensuing discussion has been very interesting to me. Thanks everybody for their input.

    On the original topic, I do hope that Apple allows third-party developers to create sleep tracking apps.
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    04-10-2015 11:54 PM
  12. HankAZ's Avatar
    On the original topic, I do hope that Apple allows third-party developers to create sleep tracking apps.
    I can fully understand why that would be a good thing. I'm sure there will be a solution soon. But it's doubtful that it will come from Apple.
    04-11-2015 12:20 AM
  13. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    Apple Watch communicates with Health Kit and apps like Sleep Cycle Alarm Clock can communicate with it as well and add sleep tracking.
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    04-11-2015 11:16 AM
  14. Nanci's Avatar
    Good opportunity for 24/7! I love that on my phone. Use it every night.
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    04-11-2015 01:00 PM
  15. mtlscream's Avatar
    Me too, I'm a little sad about that feature not there... but for battery purposes, I understand. And remember for your iPhone, if u use the sleep tracking app, they ask you to keep your iPhone plug in a power outlet.... so

    I'm sure we will see this feature as soon as Apple will be able to put a battery that could take it and last at least 2 days.
    04-12-2015 09:36 AM
  16. Ipheuria's Avatar
    I have a Fitbit that tracks sleep. I used it once. It is not important to me but to some it is. Just because the current generation doesn't have it don't think or say it never will. I do agree with the statement of if sleep tracking is important don't buy it. The statement doesn't mean we're saying don't ever buy one. It simply means this is the first gen and that function is not supported. If it is supported later or through a third party app then buy then.
    On a side note I loved all the people saying what the OP knows and meant lol. How bout we let them chime into the convo instead of speaking for them.
    04-12-2015 10:13 AM
  17. SprSynJn's Avatar
    Can the iPhone not do the same function that you want out of the iWatch when you are sleeping? Are the sensors different?
    04-12-2015 10:31 AM
  18. jean15paul's Avatar
    Can the iPhone not do the same function that you want out of the iWatch when you are sleeping? Are the sensors different?
    Yes but a sensor strapped to your wrist is much more accurate than a sensor sitting next to you in the bed, especially when you share your bed with another person.
    04-12-2015 12:13 PM
  19. John Yester's Avatar
    There are iPhone apps for sleeping. Place under pillow. Etc. they work. But again they pick up another person if that's your sleeping arrangement. I don't mind it. But I will top off shortly before bed and charge when ever needed. Same as I do with iPhone. Top it off when needed and in a short time frame
    04-12-2015 10:47 PM
  20. Dave Marsh's Avatar
    I don't see any obvious reason why Apple would disapprove a sleep tracking app, assuming the Watch's sensors would be up to the task. If they are, then customers wanting to use their watch for that purpose could. Yes, they'd have to accommodate their need against the charge time reality, but how practical that would be would be would be driven by times when the watch could be plugged in for charging.

    If the watch is charged during the evening, then worn overnight, how much it would be drained would be largely driven by how often the screen awakes. If the app can activate a feature to prevent the screen from waking due to arm movement during the night, it's charge level in the morning might permit it to be charged over the early morning hours you're getting ready for your day.

    In short, it's just not clear at this point that this isn't simply a software issue, and user process issue to modify their daily procedure to accommodate this special need.
    04-13-2015 03:43 AM
  21. Nanci's Avatar
    I use 24/7 on my phone, under my pillow. It doesn't pick up my OH. It's quite accurate, though not perfect.
    04-13-2015 07:44 AM
  22. jean15paul's Avatar
    I use 24/7 on my phone, under my pillow. It doesn't pick up my OH. It's quite accurate, though not perfect.
    I'm always hesitant to put electronics under pillows or blankets because stuff can overheat.
    04-16-2015 09:35 AM
  23. ChaosShadow's Avatar
    No sleep tracker isn't a dealbreaker for me. I have a fitbit one that tracks sleep and also have the app called Sleep Cycle on my iPhone that does this too. Heck, the iPhone app does amazing sleep tracking (worth the few bucks).
    04-16-2015 09:53 AM
  24. jean15paul's Avatar
    I'm concerned Hank you won't be able to track your golf and naps on one charge. #oldage. I'm half kidding. Using the golf gps app on my pebble during a round uses battery quick figuring I checked distance about 45 times in a round.

    With that note I'm out of this thread. OP if you want to chat hit me with a pm.
    Naps are AWESOME! Tracking makes them even better!!!
    04-16-2015 06:52 PM
  25. jatilq's Avatar
    Apple Watch as Sleep Tracker
    Apple has not said anything -- yet -- about tracking sleep with the Apple Watch. The watch does have the sensors needed to track sleep. However, Apple has not announced an accompanying native app for sleep analysis.

    Whether the watch can be used for nightly sleep analysis will depend largely on the battery life -- which has not yet been announced. If the battery requires a re-charge at the end of each day, it will need to be paired with its inductive charging base during some portion of the day -- or night, when you'd like it to be on your wrist for sleep tracking. However, if the battery can hold a sufficient charge for more than a day at a time, then it will be available at night to be worn on the wrist for sleep tracking. I'll return to this section to update both battery specs and the potential for sleep tracking once more information becomes available.

    I found this info before landing here. I have not posted enough to post links and had to retype what I typed before (too lazy to do it again). My opinion it will have the ability to work with the healthkit from day one and or 3rd party apps.

    I should add I have a Polar loop now and pebble watch. I returned my Fitbit Surge and feel the pain of many of the commenters here, but the end of the day I believe sleep tracking is built into the device because its in the healthkit.

    Do a google search for the title of the paragraph to find the source.
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    04-17-2015 08:39 AM
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