1. pwrof3's Avatar
    First off, I am not here to be a troll. I just want an actual discussion from the die hard Apple fans about the Apple Watch.

    In the forums here and on other sites, the general consensus from the Apple faithful was that Apple was behind on the smartwatch market because they were going to wait and do it right, fixing all of the problems of the Android based watches.

    So, my question is, why didn't that happen?
    We still have the same giant square on a wrist, with no revolutionary features to speak of. Apple Watch does everything a Samsung or Android Wear will do, but there is no killer Apple only feature.
    Perhaps they should have waited longer.
    09-10-2014 12:37 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    First off, I am not here to be a troll.
    That sounds like saying "with all due respect" right before being disrespectful....
    09-10-2014 12:43 PM
  3. tigerinexile's Avatar
    So, my question is, why didn't that happen?
    We still have the same giant square on a wrist, with no revolutionary features to speak of. Apple Watch does everything a Samsung or Android Wear will do, but there is no killer Apple only feature.
    Perhaps they should have waited longer.
    First edition of it, for one thing. And its looks grow on you, when you look at the different bands available.

    I'd've preferred a circle, but it passes the "will I throw money at them for it" test.

    (Not everything does. I've got a 5s and an iPad Air, and I'm going to stand pat with those this year, and possibly next year too.)
    09-10-2014 12:52 PM
  4. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    That sounds like saying "with all due respect" right before being disrespectful....
    I got to agree with Pwrof3, the device has been 3 years in the making, with the benefit of studying its competitors, and they come up with this?! The design is not innovative, and many of the features already can be done on Android Wear and even Tizen.
    09-10-2014 12:59 PM
  5. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    First off, I am not here to be a troll.
    Okay
    I just want an actual discussion from the die hard Apple fans about the Apple Watch.
    Okay

    In the forums here and on other sites, the general consensus from the Apple faithful was that Apple was behind on the smartwatch market because they were going to wait and do it right, fixing all of the problems of the Android based watches.
    I disagree regarding the "general consensus" statement. I've come across a good deal of posts where members can't wait to get the Watch.

    So, my question is, why didn't that happen?
    We still have the same giant square on a wrist, with no revolutionary features to speak of. Apple Watch does everything a Samsung or Android Wear will do, but there is no killer Apple only feature.
    Perhaps they should have waited longer.
    what were you expecting from an Watch? How many ways can a watch be made? The same can apply to a smartphone. It's safe to assume that it'll have a display, a virtual keyboard and a selectable way to initiate apps. So again, what were YOU expecting from Apple in regard to the Watch?
    09-10-2014 01:02 PM
  6. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I got to agree with Pwrof3, the device has been 3 years in the making, with the benefit of studying its competitors, and they come up with this?! The design is not innovative, and many of the features already can be done on Android Wear and even Tizen.
    Innovate design will be a moot issue if it outsells all of its competitors and it is a safe bet that it might. Then what? Will those who purchased the Watch be considered mindless idiots with no taste for design or will they be happy customers going about their business and sporting their new Watches?
    09-10-2014 01:06 PM
  7. phreddyl's Avatar
    Nothing happened- Apple developed a watch that they feel is up to their standards. I for one cant wait to get my hands on one...
    09-10-2014 01:15 PM
  8. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    Innovate design will be a moot issue if it outsells all of its competitors and it is a safe bet that it might. Then what? Will those who purchased the Watch be considered mindless idiots with no taste for design or will they be happy customers going about their business and sporting their new Watches?
    Huh? It's moot to even talk about sale figures when the Apple Watch is not even out yet.
    09-10-2014 01:15 PM
  9. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Huh? It's moot to even talk about sale figures when the Apple Watch is not even out yet.
    Where in my reply did I mention "sales figures"? I said that it would be a moot issue *if*....Did I not?
    09-10-2014 01:18 PM
  10. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    what were you expecting from an Watch? How many ways can a watch be made? The same can apply to a smartphone. It's safe to assume that it'll have a display, a virtual keyboard and a selectable way to initiate apps. So again, what were YOU expecting from Apple in regard to the Watch?
    More streamline, clean, and minimal design Apple is known for. Digital Crown is unnecessary and archaic. The other physical button, Contacts, should also be eliminated; should be achieved through voice commands or touchscreen.
    09-10-2014 01:21 PM
  11. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    Where in my reply did I mention "sales figures"? I said that it would be a moot issue *if*....Did I not?
    But you're making assumptions about a product that is not even available to the public yet. These "If"s are moot.
    09-10-2014 01:35 PM
  12. HankAZ's Avatar
    That sounds like saying "with all due respect" right before being disrespectful....
    Agreed. "I am not here to troll" rates with Nixon's "I am not a crook" speech. Like with a politician says "in all honesty". Not buying it.

    Alex, I’ll take "Things a troll says" for $400, please.
    Last edited by HankAZ; 11-27-2014 at 07:11 PM.
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    09-10-2014 01:38 PM
  13. HankAZ's Avatar
    But you're making assumptions about a product that is not even available to the public yet. These "If"s are moot.
    It has the  logo on it. It will sell millions. There’s probably a group of people already lined up somewhere to purchase it.
    09-10-2014 01:42 PM
  14. EEZ123's Avatar
    Remember innovative means the take an existing design and or feature and make it significantly better. I think apple has done that with the majority of its products. The success shows in its sales numbers and taking a product and making it mainstream instead of a niche product. I think the Apple watch has the ability to do that. Like the original iPhone and the iPad did before. Also those products also helped push other manufactures and OS's to rethink their own product and make it better.
    09-10-2014 01:56 PM
  15. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    Remember innovative means the take an existing design and or feature and make it significantly better. I think apple has done that with the majority of its products. The success shows in its sales numbers and taking a product and making it mainstream instead of a niche product. I think the Apple watch has the ability to do that. Like the original iPhone and the iPad did before. Also those products also helped push other manufactures and OS's to rethink their own product and make it better.
    But how is the Apple Watch any better than others can't already do?
    Last edited by Sammuel1973; 09-10-2014 at 02:28 PM.
    09-10-2014 02:10 PM
  16. pwrof3's Avatar
    Okay Okay

    I disagree regarding the "general consensus" statement. I've come across a good deal of posts where members can't wait to get the Watch.


    what were you expecting from an Watch? How many ways can a watch be made? The same can apply to a smartphone. It's safe to assume that it'll have a display, a virtual keyboard and a selectable way to initiate apps. So again, what were YOU expecting from Apple in regard to the Watch?
    Well, I'm not really sure what I was expecting. But, certainly, something that did for smartwatches what iPhone did for smartphones.
    The Apple Watch is more of just a me too device.
    09-10-2014 02:24 PM
  17. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Somebody got carried away with all those mock ups. They looked nice, but probably not feasible to produce. So now you criticize Apple's watch? I think it looks nice! And you have no idea what reasons Apple may have had for that design. It may have been the only way to include all that was included. GEEZ!


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5
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    09-10-2014 02:34 PM
  18. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    Somebody got carried away with all those mock ups. They looked nice, but probably not feasible to produce. So now you criticize Apple's watch? I think it looks nice! And you have no idea what reasons Apple may have had for that design. It may have been the only way to include all that was included. GEEZ!


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5
    Nope, they didn't need to include Digital Crown.

    ETA: Samsung is able to do it with their Gear S, and then some.
    09-10-2014 02:37 PM
  19. pwrof3's Avatar
    Apple Watch - what happened?-77c63dd4.jpg
    When Apple unveiled the iPhone, these above pictured phones were the most popular in the market at the time.
    IPhone changed the game.
    Perhaps I was expecting more of the same from the watch.
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    09-10-2014 02:43 PM
  20. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    More streamline, clean, and minimal design Apple is known for.
    Okay, but they appear that way to me.
    Digital Crown is unnecessary and archaic.
    According to whom? Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean a majority feels the same way.
    The other physical button, Contacts, should also be eliminated; should be achieved through voice commands or touchscreen.
    Why?
    09-10-2014 02:56 PM
  21. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    But you're making assumptions about a product that is not even available to the public yet. These "If"s are moot.
    Didn't the OP not make reference to a "general consensus"? Isn't he making an assumption that a majority of people are unhappy with the Watch? Aren't you going along with that assumption by chiming in on what YOU thought the design should have like?
    09-10-2014 03:00 PM
  22. EEZ123's Avatar
    How was the iPad better when it came out? Or the iPhone? What could they do that others couldn't? There were already existing products that were similar in both those categories now those products categories are mainstream. I really don't have enough experience with current smart watches, but I have not seen too many smart watches from the current crop with favorable reviews out there. I own a Pebble currently and I love it even though it has many limitations. I also have the Hot Smart Watch (if it every gets here, it may be vapor ware at this point) on order and it can do a little more than the Pebble, but not nearly as much as the Apple Watch. Making something innovative can include taking something that is out there and making it better and easier for the masses to use. I would say having NFC on your wrist is one example. Once you put the Watch on your wrist, you have your mobile payment system on your wrist, you don't even need to get your phone out of your pocket. Many of the way things work with apple products are small and simple, and yes its a closed ecosystem unlike Android, but obviously the general public likes simplicity over complexity and wants something that works well the majority of the time without thinking about it, tweaking it or creating complications to make it work the way you want and work intuitively.
    09-10-2014 03:05 PM
  23. HankAZ's Avatar
    When Apple unveiled the iPhone, these above pictured phones were the most popular in the market at the time.
    IPhone changed the game.
    Perhaps I was expecting more of the same from the watch.
    So now you can either bust out your crystal ball and see the future or wait for it to happen. But you cannot state without certainty that Apple did not do the exact same thing with the WATCH. At least not yet.

    How many tablets were attempted prior to iPad? Let’s wait and see what happens, shall we?
    09-10-2014 03:13 PM
  24. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    But how is the Apple Watch any better than others can't already do?
    Is the Watch suppose to be able to do something the others can't do or is that what YOU were hoping?
    09-10-2014 03:19 PM
  25. pwrof3's Avatar
    So now you can either bust out your crystal ball and see the future or wait for it to happen. But you cannot state without certainty that Apple did not do the exact same thing with the WATCH. At least not yet.

    How many tablets were attempted prior to iPad? Let’s wait and see what happens, shall we?
    From a design standpoint, they certainly aren't game changing. Look at those phones in my picture and then look at phones now. All because of Apple.
    09-10-2014 03:25 PM
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