Apple Watch - what happened?

First off, I am not here to be a troll. I just want an actual discussion from the die hard Apple fans about the Apple Watch.

In the forums here and on other sites, the general consensus from the Apple faithful was that Apple was behind on the smartwatch market because they were going to wait and do it right, fixing all of the problems of the Android based watches.

So, my question is, why didn't that happen?
We still have the same giant square on a wrist, with no revolutionary features to speak of. Apple Watch does everything a Samsung or Android Wear will do, but there is no killer Apple only feature.
Perhaps they should have waited longer.

Originally Posted by pwrof3

First off, I am not here to be a troll.

That sounds like saying "with all due respect" right before being disrespectful.... :D

Originally Posted by pwrof3

So, my question is, why didn't that happen?
We still have the same giant square on a wrist, with no revolutionary features to speak of. Apple Watch does everything a Samsung or Android Wear will do, but there is no killer Apple only feature.
Perhaps they should have waited longer.

First edition of it, for one thing. And its looks grow on you, when you look at the different bands available.

I'd've preferred a circle, but it passes the "will I throw money at them for it" test.

(Not everything does. I've got a 5s and an iPad Air, and I'm going to stand pat with those this year, and possibly next year too.)

Originally Posted by kch50428

That sounds like saying "with all due respect" right before being disrespectful.... :D

I got to agree with Pwrof3, the device has been 3 years in the making, with the benefit of studying its competitors, and they come up with this?! The design is not innovative, and many of the features already can be done on Android Wear and even Tizen.

Originally Posted by pwrof3

First off, I am not here to be a troll.

Okay

I just want an actual discussion from the die hard Apple fans about the Apple Watch.

Okay

In the forums here and on other sites, the general consensus from the Apple faithful was that Apple was behind on the smartwatch market because they were going to wait and do it right, fixing all of the problems of the Android based watches.

I disagree regarding the "general consensus" statement. I've come across a good deal of posts where members can't wait to get the Watch.

So, my question is, why didn't that happen?
We still have the same giant square on a wrist, with no revolutionary features to speak of. Apple Watch does everything a Samsung or Android Wear will do, but there is no killer Apple only feature.
Perhaps they should have waited longer.

what were you expecting from an Watch? How many ways can a watch be made? The same can apply to a smartphone. It's safe to assume that it'll have a display, a virtual keyboard and a selectable way to initiate apps. So again, what were YOU expecting from Apple in regard to the Watch?

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

I got to agree with Pwrof3, the device has been 3 years in the making, with the benefit of studying its competitors, and they come up with this?! The design is not innovative, and many of the features already can be done on Android Wear and even Tizen.

Innovate design will be a moot issue if it outsells all of its competitors and it is a safe bet that it might. Then what? Will those who purchased the Watch be considered mindless idiots with no taste for design or will they be happy customers going about their business and sporting their new Watches?

Nothing happened- Apple developed a watch that they feel is up to their standards. I for one cant wait to get my hands on one...

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

Innovate design will be a moot issue if it outsells all of its competitors and it is a safe bet that it might. Then what? Will those who purchased the Watch be considered mindless idiots with no taste for design or will they be happy customers going about their business and sporting their new Watches?

Huh? It's moot to even talk about sale figures when the Apple Watch is not even out yet. ;)

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

Huh? It's moot to even talk about sale figures when the Apple Watch is not even out yet. ;)

Where in my reply did I mention "sales figures"? I said that it would be a moot issue *if*....Did I not?

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

what were you expecting from an Watch? How many ways can a watch be made? The same can apply to a smartphone. It's safe to assume that it'll have a display, a virtual keyboard and a selectable way to initiate apps. So again, what were YOU expecting from Apple in regard to the Watch?

More streamline, clean, and minimal design Apple is known for. Digital Crown is unnecessary and archaic. The other physical button, Contacts, should also be eliminated; should be achieved through voice commands or touchscreen.

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

Where in my reply did I mention "sales figures"? I said that it would be a moot issue *if*....Did I not?

But you're making assumptions about a product that is not even available to the public yet. These "If"s are moot.

Originally Posted by kch50428

That sounds like saying "with all due respect" right before being disrespectful.... :D

Agreed. "I am not here to troll" rates with Nixon's "I am not a crook" speech. Like with a politician says "in all honesty". Not buying it.

Alex, I’ll take "Things a troll says" for $400, please.

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

But you're making assumptions about a product that is not even available to the public yet. These "If"s are moot.

It has the  logo on it. It will sell millions. There’s probably a group of people already lined up somewhere to purchase it.

Remember innovative means the take an existing design and or feature and make it significantly better. I think apple has done that with the majority of its products. The success shows in its sales numbers and taking a product and making it mainstream instead of a niche product. I think the Apple watch has the ability to do that. Like the original iPhone and the iPad did before. Also those products also helped push other manufactures and OS's to rethink their own product and make it better.

Originally Posted by EEZ123

Remember innovative means the take an existing design and or feature and make it significantly better. I think apple has done that with the majority of its products. The success shows in its sales numbers and taking a product and making it mainstream instead of a niche product. I think the Apple watch has the ability to do that. Like the original iPhone and the iPad did before. Also those products also helped push other manufactures and OS's to rethink their own product and make it better.

But how is the Apple Watch any better than others can't already do?

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

Okay Okay

I disagree regarding the "general consensus" statement. I've come across a good deal of posts where members can't wait to get the Watch.


what were you expecting from an Watch? How many ways can a watch be made? The same can apply to a smartphone. It's safe to assume that it'll have a display, a virtual keyboard and a selectable way to initiate apps. So again, what were YOU expecting from Apple in regard to the Watch?

Well, I'm not really sure what I was expecting. But, certainly, something that did for smartwatches what iPhone did for smartphones.
The Apple Watch is more of just a me too device.

Somebody got carried away with all those mock ups. They looked nice, but probably not feasible to produce. So now you criticize Apple's watch? I think it looks nice! And you have no idea what reasons Apple may have had for that design. It may have been the only way to include all that was included. GEEZ!


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Originally Posted by Ledsteplin

Somebody got carried away with all those mock ups. They looked nice, but probably not feasible to produce. So now you criticize Apple's watch? I think it looks nice! And you have no idea what reasons Apple may have had for that design. It may have been the only way to include all that was included. GEEZ!


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Nope, they didn't need to include Digital Crown.

ETA: Samsung is able to do it with their Gear S, and then some.

Attachment 64279
When Apple unveiled the iPhone, these above pictured phones were the most popular in the market at the time.
IPhone changed the game.
Perhaps I was expecting more of the same from the watch.

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

More streamline, clean, and minimal design Apple is known for.

Okay, but they appear that way to me.

Digital Crown is unnecessary and archaic.

According to whom? Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean a majority feels the same way.

The other physical button, Contacts, should also be eliminated; should be achieved through voice commands or touchscreen.

Why?

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

But you're making assumptions about a product that is not even available to the public yet. These "If"s are moot.

Didn't the OP not make reference to a "general consensus"? Isn't he making an assumption that a majority of people are unhappy with the Watch? Aren't you going along with that assumption by chiming in on what YOU thought the design should have like?

How was the iPad better when it came out? Or the iPhone? What could they do that others couldn't? There were already existing products that were similar in both those categories now those products categories are mainstream. I really don't have enough experience with current smart watches, but I have not seen too many smart watches from the current crop with favorable reviews out there. I own a Pebble currently and I love it even though it has many limitations. I also have the Hot Smart Watch (if it every gets here, it may be vapor ware at this point) on order and it can do a little more than the Pebble, but not nearly as much as the Apple Watch. Making something innovative can include taking something that is out there and making it better and easier for the masses to use. I would say having NFC on your wrist is one example. Once you put the Watch on your wrist, you have your mobile payment system on your wrist, you don't even need to get your phone out of your pocket. Many of the way things work with apple products are small and simple, and yes its a closed ecosystem unlike Android, but obviously the general public likes simplicity over complexity and wants something that works well the majority of the time without thinking about it, tweaking it or creating complications to make it work the way you want and work intuitively.

Originally Posted by pwrof3

When Apple unveiled the iPhone, these above pictured phones were the most popular in the market at the time.
IPhone changed the game.
Perhaps I was expecting more of the same from the watch.

So now you can either bust out your crystal ball and see the future or wait for it to happen. But you cannot state without certainty that Apple did not do the exact same thing with the WATCH. At least not yet.

How many tablets were attempted prior to iPad? Let’s wait and see what happens, shall we?

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

But how is the Apple Watch any better than others can't already do?

Is the Watch suppose to be able to do something the others can't do or is that what YOU were hoping?

Originally Posted by HankAZ

So now you can either bust out your crystal ball and see the future or wait for it to happen. But you cannot state without certainty that Apple did not do the exact same thing with the WATCH. At least not yet.

How many tablets were attempted prior to iPad? Let’s wait and see what happens, shall we?

From a design standpoint, they certainly aren't game changing. Look at those phones in my picture and then look at phones now. All because of Apple.

Originally Posted by pwrof3

Attachment 64279
When Apple unveiled the iPhone, these above pictured phones were the most popular in the market at the time.
IPhone changed the game.
Perhaps I was expecting more of the same from the watch.

Perhaps, but still, let's recall the last year's launch of the iPhone 5C. It was not innovative, it had a plastic casing, and was basically a repackaged iPhone 5, and yet, millions of them sold. The iPhone 6 and 6 Plus isn't innovative, and some call it fugly, and yet, millions of each will be sold. Having said that, how important is being innovative as opposed to being successful and profitable?

Originally Posted by pwrof3

From a design standpoint, they certainly aren't game changing. Look at those phones in my picture and then look at phones now. All because of Apple.

Time will tell.

i remember the iPad was first announced, how it was mocked by people, and look at it now. the same thing will happen here.

The fact that it needs to be tethered to the iphone is a deal breaker for me. My main reason for wanting on would be to use as a fitness device. I'd want to use it when I run as a GPS to tell me hiw far I've gone, my pace, my avg. speed, etc. I'd also expect it to cross over to other activities such as biking and swimming. I'd also want to use it to send and receive text messages. However, having to also carry my phone while doing these activities defeats the purpose of a wearable device. I have a Suunto watch that does all of the things I mentioned, minus the text messages, without the need to carry my phone.

If apple can put all that together, plus he ability to receive texts as well as connect to wireless earphones the I'd be interested. I don't need photos. I don't need to send my heart rate to my friends, I don't need the ability to make little drawings, I need a device that stands on it's own without the need carry my phone. Apple failed as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by mummer43

The fact that it needs to be tethered to the iphone is a deal breaker for me. My main reason for wanting on would be to use as a fitness device. I'd want to use it when I run as a GPS to tell me hiw far I've gone, my pace, my avg. speed, etc. I'd also expect it to cross over to other activities such as biking and swimming. I'd also want to use it to send and receive text messages. However, having to also carry my phone while doing these activities defeats the purpose of a wearable device. I have a Suunto watch that does all of the things I mentioned, minus the text messages, without the need to carry my phone.

If apple can put all that together, plus he ability to receive texts as well as connect to wireless earphones the I'd be interested. I don't need photos. I don't need to send my heart rate to my friends, I don't need the ability to make little drawings, I need a device that stands on it's own without the need carry my phone. Apple failed as far as I'm concerned.

I agree somewhat. Why have a watch when you need to have the phone in your pocket the entire time? Since you're coming from a fitness perspective, having to have the phone attached to an armband or bouncing around in running shorts pockets does seem less than ideal.

You may want to wait a while and see what Microsoft has to offer. Yeah, I know, Microsoft isn't popular around here, but they are actually working on a device that focuses on health and fitness and will work with all of the phone platforms. Not sure if you'd actually have to have the pone with you.

I have used my iPhone while I train for triathlons for years. The only thing I can't use it for is swim training. I like the security of having the phone available in case of emergency, for music, I need it with me because I must take work call, and I use several apps such as Strava, Runkeeper, nike run etc. So for me its great. I also have the garmin 310XT and I use the iphone/pebble more than my Garmin.

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

But how is the Apple Watch any better than others can't already do?

Why is there always that person that looks too much into everything. My new Movado isn't very innovative either, but it's nice & the quality is impeccable & best of all...it's my preference. Same with this. People will love it because it utilizes features specific to their preferred device. Just like the Samsung Gear. It probably doesn't interest you if you're using a device other than Samsung.

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

According to whom? Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean a majority feels the same way. Why?

Digital Crown, imo, is unnecessary and archaic because there is no need to zoom anything on an already small screen. Having that physical dial is clumsy and inefficient. By the time you turn it to zoom and then tap to select your target, mind as well fetch out your phone. A smartwatch is supposed to make things more quickly and easily via swipes or voice commands. Who in the own right mind would want to zoom to look at a pict on a tiny screen? When your hands are tied up, voice commands or swipes are far more efficient then to turn a dial.

Having the Digital Crown can cause wear and tear to its mechanism down the road, like the “Pearl” of the Blackberry Pearl phone.

Samsung and Google got it better, imo. They really highlight easy swipes and their respective voice commands.

Furthermore, the Digital Crown button looks way too archaic. Apple is known for simple, clean, and modern designs, that knob thing, although it looks classy, makes the whole look not modern at all, to me. Samsung Gear S, on the other hand, looks very modern and futuristic…and DIFFERENT, and can do way more than the Apple Watch.

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

Digital Crown, imo, is unnecessary and archaic because there is no need to zoom anything on an already small screen. Having that physical dial is clumsy and inefficient. By the time you turn it to zoom and then tap to select your target, mind as well fetch out your phone. A smartwatch is supposed to make things more quickly and easily via swipes or voice commands. Who in the own right mind would want to zoom to look at a pict on a tiny screen? When your hands are tied up, voice commands or swipes are far more efficient then to turn a dial.

Having the Digital Crown can cause wear and tear to its mechanism down the road, like the “Pearl” of the Blackberry Pearl phone.

Samsung and Google got it better, imo. They really highlight easy swipes and their respective voice commands.

Furthermore, the Digital Crown button looks way too archaic. Apple is known for simple, clean, and modern designs, that knob thing, although it looks classy, makes the whole look not modern at all, to me. Samsung Gear S, on the other hand, looks very modern and futuristic…and DIFFERENT, and can do way more than the Apple Watch.

Vote with your wallet. If "Samsung and Google got it better" is your mantra, why are you even here? Go buy what you think will work in your situation. Opinions are just that - opinions. They aren’t universal facts. So buy what you want and allow others to buy what they want. I see this constant picking and "mine is better than yours" garbage as nothing more than juvenile insecurity. But rather than being happy with what you have, you want to tear down the options.

Originally Posted by pwrof3

Yeah, I know, Microsoft isn't popular around here, but they are actually working on a device that focuses on health and fitness and will work with all of the phone platforms. Not sure if you'd actually have to have the pone with you.

Funny thing is, everybody is always working on something. The winners are the ones that deliver.

Originally Posted by nikkisharif

Why is there always that person that looks too much into everything. My new Movado isn't very innovative either, but it's nice & the quality is impeccable & best of all...it's my preference. Same with this. People will love it because it utilizes features specific to their preferred device. Just like the Samsung Gear. It probably doesn't interest you if you're using a device other than Samsung.

I guess I expect too much out of Apple. They have the benefit of knowing the competition, so I was hoping they would have produced something more compelling with another WOW factor. Doesn’t matter if I’m a big Samsung fan or not. What motivate me on a smartwatch are these things: modern & clean design, quickness & efficiency, stand alone, good battery life, and price.

Originally Posted by HankAZ

Vote with your wallet. If "Samsung and Google got it better" is your mantra, why are you even here? Go buy what you think will work in your situation. Opinions are just that - opinions. They aren’t universal facts. So buy what you want and allow others to buy what they want. I see this constant picking and "mine is better than yours" garbage as nothing more that insecurity. But rather than being happy with what you have, you want to tear down the options.

Well, this is a discussion board, is it not? We all are here to discuss, debate, and dissect various viewpoints, no? No harm intended.

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

I guess I expect too much out of Apple. They have the benefit of knowing the competition, so I was hoping they would have produced something more compelling with another WOW factor. Doesn’t matter if I’m a big Samsung fan or not. What motivate me on a smartwatch are these things: modern & clean design, quickness & efficiency, stand alone, good battery life, and price.

Understandable but someone else may feel these things are already evident. Different strokes for different folks. Maybe the next iteration will be better for you.

Edit: BTW...I also have a GS5 & wouldn't even consider the Gear because it's not very fashion forward. You & so many others love it. It's just a difference in opinions.

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

Well, this is a discussion board, is it not? We all are here to discuss, debate, and dissect various viewpoints, no? No harm intended.

Of course not. It would be different if we all went to your house an peed in your punch bowl.

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

Well, this is a discussion board, is it not? We all are here to discuss, debate, and dissect various viewpoints, no? No harm intended.

We're a friendly bunch & as you know us tech junkies are very passionate people. No harm no foul[emoji57]

Originally Posted by HankAZ

Of course not. It would be different if we all went to your house an peed in your punch bowl.

LOL

Originally Posted by nikkisharif

Understandable but someone else may feel these things are already evident. Different strokes for different folks. Maybe the next iteration will be better for you.

Edit: BTW...I also have a GS5 & wouldn't even consider the Gear because it's not very fashion forward. You & so many others love it. It's just a difference in opinions.

I too have a Samsung GS5, but may consider the new IPhone 6 or 6 Plus cuz of their simple and modern design, and finally with a bigger screen. However, I love my Samsung Gear 2, and absolutely sold on the Gear S for its simple and modern curvy design, and its standalone features. Why can't I have the new IPhones with the new Gear S??? :(

Originally Posted by HankAZ

Of course not. It would be different if we all went to your house an peed in your punch bowl.

Oh my, what scary *** clown showed up at your birthday party? ;)

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

Oh my, what scary *** clown showed up at your birthday party? ;)

These ones!

Originally Posted by HankAZ

Agreed. "I am not here to troll" rates with Nixon's "I am not a crook" speech. Like with a politician says "in all honesty". Not buying it.

I've been a high school teacher for 35 years. When a student begins explaining something with "Coach, I promise..." I automatically assume what they say next is less than truthful.

Too soon to say anything really .. Battery life is huge for me and charge every night won't work for me .. They said about local storage ? How many gb etc and only entry price was released .. I'll see how this plays out before I even think about getting one


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I'm a traditional watch guy I like my swiss automatic's over these smart watches any day, with that said I was disappointed with the apple watch also. Was hoping for a nice small watch that accented my 5S not something that reminds me of a chunky bar and needs to tether to my phone.
I'm sure refined versions will be released in the future.

Originally Posted by Sammuel1973

Digital Crown, imo, is unnecessary and archaic because there is no need to zoom anything on an already small screen.

it is not just for zooming. It's also used to navigate through the device.

Having that physical dial is clumsy and inefficient.

Have you used the Watch before to be able to make such a definitive statement?

By the time you turn it to zoom and then tap to select your target, mind as well fetch out your phone.

Have you used the Watch before?

A smartwatch is supposed to make things more quickly and easily via swipes or voice commands.

According to whom?

Who in the own right mind would want to zoom to look at a pict on a tiny screen? When your hands are tied up, voice commands or swipes are far more efficient then to turn a dial.

Who in their right mind would try so hard to convey his personal preferences on how a device that he did not make should have been? Yet, here you are.

Having the Digital Crown can cause wear and tear to its mechanism down the road, like the “Pearl” of the Blackberry Pearl phone.

Now you're being silly. None of the Blackberry devices I've owned, including the pearl, were ever damaged. Having said that, why do some smartphones get scratched and nicked while inside a protective casing?

Samsung and Google got it better, imo. They really highlight easy swipes and their respective voice commands.

You could very well be right.

Furthermore, the Digital Crown button looks way too archaic. Apple is known for simple, clean, and modern designs, that knob thing, although it looks classy, makes the whole look not modern at all, to me. Samsung Gear S, on the other hand, looks very modern and futuristic…and DIFFERENT, and can do way more than the Apple Watch.

Okay, but which company will sell more, in your humble opinion? If it turns out to be Apple, will you man up and admit that your preferences didn't add up to a hill of beans and Consumers, as a whole, thought otherwise?

Originally Posted by calebt

I'm a traditional watch guy I like my swiss automatic's over these smart watches any day,

Same here. I wear a watch everyday and have been for years.

with that said I was disappointed with the apple watch also.

No problem. Personally, I wasn't

Was hoping for a nice small watch that accented my 5S not something that reminds me of a chunky bar and needs to tether to my phone.
I'm sure refined versions will be released in the future.

Time will tell....:)

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

Same here. I wear a watch everyday and have been for years. No problem. Personally, I wasn't Time will tell....:)

Not even sure why you're continuing with that guy... lol.

I know damn well he a crown would be useful when his hands are dirty and/or wet and the touchscreen isn't responsive.

Originally Posted by Duvi

Not even sure why you're continuing with that guy... lol.

I know damn well he a crown would be useful when his hands are dirty and/or wet and the touchscreen isn't responsive.

You know me....I'll converse with anybody....until I start getting irritated....(laughing)

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

You know me....I'll converse with anybody....until I start getting irritated....(laughing)

Lol. I know. I remember when I would do the same. Retail has changed me!

I wonder if they actually watched the keynote fully to see what the watch will be able to do.

The app makers that are already on board.

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

You know me....I'll converse with anybody....until I start getting irritated....(laughing)

many of us have already reached that point. :)

Originally Posted by HankAZ

many of us have already reached that point. :)

(laughing)...I hear ya...:)

Well as always Apple is late but when they come, its with a bang. They spend a lot of time on their devices and features; Siri took 5-8 years (I can't remember which) to create and other companies have followed. I am a smartwatch follower and I have to admit I was very amazed by the Apple Watch. To me Apple has nothing else to prove; they put something out and no matter if we love it or not, its selling. If they would've waited any longer it would've been a huge issue because people like what they see with Samsung Gear/ Android Wear, they want it too! I know I do. Pebble isn't cutting it, Kreyos or any other watch that works with Apple; its just not the same.


I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person excited about Apple Watch besides my friends. LOL I mean... watch the keynote! Its awesome.

Originally Posted by EmceeGeek

Well as always Apple is late but when they come, its with a bang. They spend a lot of time on their devices and features; Siri took 5-8 years (I can't remember which) to create and other companies have followed. I am a smartwatch follower and I have to admit I was very amazed by the Apple Watch. To me Apple has nothing else to prove; they put something out and no matter if we love it or not, its selling. If they would've waited any longer it would've been a huge issue because people like what they see with Samsung Gear/ Android Wear, they want it too! I know I do. Pebble isn't cutting it, Kreyos or any other watch that works with Apple; its just not the same.


I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person excited about Apple Watch besides my friends. LOL I mean... watch the keynote! Its awesome.

Having to carry your phone with you everywhere is not awesome.

Originally Posted by mummer43

Having to carry your phone with you everywhere is not awesome.

Isn't that point of having a phone?

Originally Posted by mummer43

Having to carry your phone with you everywhere is not awesome.

That’s odd. I don’t have a smart watch, and yet I carry my phone with me everywhere I go. #duh

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

Innovate design will be a moot issue if it outsells all of its competitors and it is a safe bet that it might. Then what? Will those who purchased the Watch be considered mindless idiots with no taste for design or will they be happy customers going about their business and sporting their new Watches?

Bang on. People, usually Apple-haters, always seem to hang this label onto Apple. "Oh Apple doesn't innovate, look at the design from the 4 to the 5 to the 6, lololol"

To them I say that Apple may not innovate in any way that the average user can see but every day, in ever way, they are getting better and better.

They take a great design and think "how can we make this BETTER?" if the 'better' means subtle changes under the hood then so be it. Innovation does not and never has meant sweeping changes and people need to understand this. Apple is a world leader because they know exactly what they are doing and don't make large leaps, like Samsung and others do (and look at the poor overall quality of their devices) and every change Apple makes it designed to tweak the performance or functionality to make the device perform better.

I swear that people seem to hate on Apple because it's the hip thing that all the 'cool kids' are doing. I know plenty of people that mock me for having Apple devices (and I care not one jot what others think of me) but have not ever tried an Apple device themselves. On the rare occasions when I have managed to get a few Android die-hards to use an iPhone, they have been blown away by the fluidity of the OS and the sturdy yet beautiful designs of the unit. In fact, my girlfriend, a staunch Android user, is ditching her Samsung and having my 5S when I get my iPhone 6 next week.

Originally Posted by mummer43

Having to carry your phone with you everywhere is not awesome.

It is for me. I always wear a watch and carry my phone with me AT ALL TIMES. I need the phone for work, so it goes with me wherever I go and I am of the generation that likes watches and always wear one when out of the house. I even collect them, I have a number of Breitlings, Rolexes, Omegas and Tags and can't wait to add an Apple watch to the list. I would have preferred a round face but the Apple Watch looks like a nicely put together bit of kit that will compliment my wardrobe perfectly with the right strap.

I think the Apple watch albeit that it does look good compared to the LG G watch and galaxy gear, it comes with wide and easily changeable bands. That I give kudos but overall, I think they are trying to make a point with their OS more than the shape of the watch. I wasn't stoked to be honest.

Originally Posted by pwrof3

First off, I am not here to be a troll. I just want an actual discussion from the die hard Apple fans about the Apple Watch.

In the forums here and on other sites, the general consensus from the Apple faithful was that Apple was behind on the smartwatch market because they were going to wait and do it right, fixing all of the problems of the Android based watches.

So, my question is, why didn't that happen?
We still have the same giant square on a wrist, with no revolutionary features to speak of. Apple Watch does everything a Samsung or Android Wear will do, but there is no killer Apple only feature.
Perhaps they should have waited longer.

Allow me to dissect your concern.

First. May you elaborate on the "all of the problems of the Android based watches."? The statement is vague enough not to come up with specific discussion.

Second. What are you implying on your question, "Why didn't that happen?." Apple has failed with their iWatch?

Third. Is there a certainty that iWatch does not have a revolutionary feature? I supposed no detailed specs were disseminated yet.

How can there be any real verdict on this, until we try it on our own wrists? The word of a tech editor can only go so far. (no offense iMore and other tech sites.) And as far as "revolutionary features" We haven't had the UI on our wrists yet. android wear is being criticized as "half-baked" and "not polished enough". Do you think Apple would spend three years on one product and NOT nail the UI?

Originally Posted by pwrof3

First off, I am not here to be a troll. I just want an actual discussion from the die hard Apple fans about the Apple Watch.

In the forums here and on other sites, the general consensus from the Apple faithful was that Apple was behind on the smartwatch market because they were going to wait and do it right, fixing all of the problems of the Android based watches.

So, my question is, why didn't that happen?
We still have the same giant square on a wrist, with no revolutionary features to speak of. Apple Watch does everything a Samsung or Android Wear will do, but there is no killer Apple only feature.
Perhaps they should have waited longer.

I think the Apple Watch is going to be great. It has awesome styling and the apps look pretty too. I think as far as the pricing goes, it could be a tad lower but I am sure they will sell tons! I am def going to get one when they come out next year!

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

it is not just for zooming. It's also used to navigate through the device. Have you used the Watch before to be able to make such a definitive statement? Have you used the Watch before? According to whom? Who in their right mind would try so hard to convey his personal preferences on how a device that he did not make should have been? Yet, here you are.

Now you're being silly. None of the Blackberry devices I've owned, including the pearl, were ever damaged. Having said that, why do some smartphones get scratched and nicked while inside a protective casing?

Okay, but which company will sell more, in your humble opinion? If it turns out to be Apple, will you man up and admit that your preferences didn't add up to a hill of beans and Consumers, as a whole, thought otherwise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxM-rac7vb4

Here’s a video by Margques Brownlee, a tech enthusiast like myself. He’s quite objective in many of his reviews. Like me, he applauds the versatility and selection of the bands, but feels weird about the knob or Digital Crown, equating it to the Blackberry Pearl. And yes, I did own one prior to any touchscreen smartphones.

Regarding if the Apple Watch will sell more, it depends. Since Apple users are limited only to Apple’s ecosystem, would 5% of those users buy it and consider a success? Maybe 10%? And how about Android converters? Has Apple shared its sale projection? I don’t know.

Mummer43. I have owned 2 smartwatches, currently using the Samsung Gear 2. I believe the Samsung Gear S can satisfy your needs in terms of standalone, health/fitness checking, and text/email all without being tethered to the main phone. Of course, like Apple, it doesn’t work with other non-Samsung phones.

Originally Posted by kch50428

That sounds like saying "with all due respect" right before being disrespectful.... :D

Originally Posted by HankAZ

Agreed. "I am not here to troll" rates with Nixon's "I am not a crook" speech. Like with a politician says "in all honesty". Not buying it.

On the other hand, If he had NOT said that, do you seriously think someone wouldn't have called him one anyway? I think it's more probable he recognized the likelihood that some fanboys would have jumped on him whether he added that disclaimer or not and chose to attempt to fend them off, however unsuccessful that appears to have turned out

Originally Posted by HankAZ

That’s odd. I don’t have a smart watch, and yet I carry my phone with me everywhere I go. #duh

If they are marketing this as a fitness device then, yes, it's not awesome. Duh.

Originally Posted by Highrisedrifter

It is for me. I always wear a watch and carry my phone with me AT ALL TIMES. I need the phone for work, so it goes with me wherever I go and I am of the generation that likes watches and always wear one when out of the house. I even collect them, I have a number of Breitlings, Rolexes, Omegas and Tags and can't wait to add an Apple watch to the list. I would have preferred a round face but the Apple Watch looks like a nicely put together bit of kit that will compliment my wardrobe perfectly with the right strap.

I normally have my phone with me as well... When I'm not working out. Having to carry those massive phones with you on a run or other such activity is far from convenient. I wouldn't call this device revolutionary, but that's just me. And I'm an apple guy. I'm also a watch guy, which is why I was hoping to love it. Sadly, I don't. I do, however love my new Omega Speedmaster.

the needed to make a new product and this was the best thing they could come up with. i would be happier with better iphone battery and waterproof

what happened?...................They announced the Apple Watch Sep 9th and it should be available early 2015.

Myself and MANY others are excited with the news and can't wait to get the Apple Watch.

I sell these things daily and guess what people are saying about the gear? It's confusing! The setup process doesn't make sense.

You download apps from where? How do you set it up?

Or device questions. Why does the phone measure my heart rate and steps better than the watch?

So what people fail to understand about apple is... The are innovators even when it's not clear as day. They make it easy for the end user.

Yesterday... I sell a lady a memory card for her Galaxy s5 that had no internal space. I set it to transfer all her media to the card... She then leaves. Hour later, she calls in to find out if it worked because she saw an error message and the low storage message was still there. She had to restart the phone for the message to go away. That's it!

I let someone leave with an apple product, I don't hear from them unless they want to know about apps they should download. I sell android, and I'm almost guaranteed to see them back soon.

I'm almost positive that after the original set up on the iPhone and apple watch, I won't be hearing from them like I would if I sold them a gear and Galaxy.

I don’t think the Op was questioning the software and the apple eco system not working together. He was more concerned about the look of the watch it self, even
when I read Apple hired Swiss Tec’s to help innovate the watch I was excited, I was thinking styles like the Explorer, Omega Deville, Submariner along those line that is why I was disappointed in the Apple watch that square modern look just is not for me.

I feel like the Galaxy Gear S is calling my name instead of the iWatch errr... I mean Apple Watch

Originally Posted by mrmarquis9

I feel like the Galaxy Gear S is calling my name instead of the iWatch errr... I mean Apple Watch

Go for it. Get the device that YOU want no matter what brand it is...:)

Originally Posted by JustMe'D

Go for it. Get the device that YOU want no matter what brand it is...:)

Lol I know but apple disappointed me with their attempt at a smart watch.


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Originally Posted by mrmarquis9

Lol I know but apple disappointed me with their attempt at a smart watch.


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I'm sure it disappointed a lot of people. No device is for everyone and that's why it's always good to have choices. When one doesn't fit the bill for you, get one that does. It's really that simple.

Apple has me interested in the watch big time. I haven't worn a watch in years and I always wore a watch pre iPhone.

The fact that it's not dropping until 2015 is smart on Apples part because I believe that there are many folks like myself that the idea of the Apple watch is stewing in them and will want one when it drops.

If they would have released Apple watch same time as iPhone 6 it wouldn't be enough time to convert the "I don't want it folks" like myself. As they days go by I'm leaning more and more to I want it.
I feel like the Apple watch is a extension of the iPhone like the iPhone was a extension of the Mac.

Reading a article on Apple watch possibilities for musical applications definitely peaked my interest. Such as a metronome tempo being transmitted through the watch. A tempo felt instead of being heard.

The fact that it's a Apple device it falls right into my device chain. It doesn't have to be better or slicker than a Samsung watch.

The digital crown could prove to be a plus for certain tasks and apps that could be developed. There are a lot of devices where a physical knob still works.

I think the apps to come for the Apple watch will make it revolutionary or not like the iPad.

The app devs will look at Apple watch apps as a extension to their iPad/iPhone and Mac apps.

It seems now the innovation is not necessarily the device but what you can do with the device. This is not to say that there is not or will never be hardware innovation.

Originally Posted by iEd

Apple has me interested in the watch big time. I haven't worn a watch in years and I always wore a watch pre iPhone.

The fact that it's not dropping until 2015 is smart on Apples part because I believe that there are many folks like myself that the idea of the Apple watch is stewing in them and will want one when it drops.

If they would have released Apple watch same time as iPhone 6 it wouldn't be enough time to convert the "I don't want it folks" like myself. As they days go by I'm leaning more and more to I want it.
I feel like the Apple watch is a extension of the iPhone like the iPhone was a extension of the Mac.

Reading a article on Apple watch possibilities for musical applications definitely peaked my interest. Such as a metronome tempo being transmitted through the watch. A tempo felt instead of being heard.

The fact that it's a Apple device it falls right into my device chain. It doesn't have to be better or slicker than a Samsung watch.

The digital crown could prove to be a plus for certain tasks and apps that could be developed. There are a lot of devices where a physical knob still works.

I think the apps to come for the Apple watch will make it revolutionary or not like the iPad.

The app devs will look at Apple watch apps as a extension to their iPad/iPhone and Mac apps.

It seems now the innovation is not necessarily the device but what you can do with the device. This is not to say that there is not or will never be hardware innovation.

I agree with all of this

I think many of you actually miss the OP's point, or at least the way I interpret it.

The iPod, iPhone, and iPad are the big hits since 2000, and usually what people refer to when they talk about the current legacy of Apple. With the iPod and iPhone it was obvious from the start that they were game changers. Maybe not complete, but definitely a statement of the way mp3 players and smartphones should be made. The iPad was less evident, but still totally different than any tablet released to that point. Media at the launch stated clearly that the iPad was something you had to use to understand, and that was quickly verified by people using it, then "getting" it.

With the Apple Watch, it screams "me too!" It looks and operates like everything else out there. The features are the same. It doesn't say to the existing market, "Hey, this is the way to do it." It isn't unique or different. It really is a me too product. That is something we haven't seen from Apple, arguably, ever. And the tech media is saying the same. Even Andy Ihnatko of MacBreak Weekly has said that it doesn't really do much to differentiate itself, and that he is hoping there is more to be said on the watch from Apple. That doesn't mean it won't be successful, or sell a ton of units, but it does beg the question, is the era of Apple coming to a close?

Full disclosure, I am a huge Apple fan. I only own Macs. Have owned every iPhone, and have never been tempted by another. I am an Apple supporter through and through. However, I am not blind, and I do not see the watch in the way many of the various Apple forum users do.

I know a ton of folks myself included that thought the same of the iPad. We looked at it as a giant iPhone.

Now these same folks myself included depend on the iPad for work as musicians.
The majority of this innovation is the results of what devs have done with the iPad. Having access to a roomful of keyboards all in a iPad. I could go on and on with examples.
I have no idea how the Apple Watch will be used or could be used. Their are folks that do just that, think of stuff to do with these devices app wise.
I'm curious to see what devs may do with this device.

The OP's Title says "What Happened?" With device development it's wait and see what happens.

These devices seem to be more about evolution than revolution.
You have people doing everything with iPads from storing weekly dinner recipes to tuning Concert Grand Pianos. This is all possible with app development and of course with the device becoming more powerful. It very possible the same range of tasks could be done with a Apple Watch in the future and the future in mobile device terms is a few years.

Does the I watch work without the I phone?

Originally Posted by Myrtle Corley

Does the I watch work without the I phone?

From what was announced, it depends on what you mean by "work"? Will it tell time without an iPhone? Of course. It will have some onboard storage that can be used for music and played via Bluetooth to headphones. I think it's a safe assumption that the pulse monitor and pedometer type functions will work without a phone nearby. The biggest unknown seems to be if it will require the iPhone for GPS services.

For me, the hardware aesthetics left a lot to be desired, but I think it will be "iconic" a decade from now. The digital crown might be a serious gimmick, however, especially considering that most of the demoed interactions with the apple watch were via the touchscreen.

That said, I LOVE the home screen / icon map, and I'm strangely totally down for sending friends / strangers my heartbeat.

Originally Posted by pwrof3

First off, I am not here to be a troll. I just want an actual discussion from the die hard Apple fans about the Apple Watch.

In the forums here and on other sites, the general consensus from the Apple faithful was that Apple was behind on the smartwatch market because they were going to wait and do it right, fixing all of the problems of the Android based watches.

So, my question is, why didn't that happen?
We still have the same giant square on a wrist, with no revolutionary features to speak of. Apple Watch does everything a Samsung or Android Wear will do, but there is no killer Apple only feature.
Perhaps they should have waited longer.

Wow. I had the exact opposite reaction. I thought it was as amazing as the iPhone. Especially after using products like the jawbone up, up24, pebble, Nike Fuelband, Fitbit, LG G Watch and now Moto 360. I'm really excited by apple watch. Android wear, while good, isn't anywhere near as interesting to me as apple watch. I can't wait to buy one.

I have a Pebble, and I am really excited for the Apple Watch. When I saw the Apple Watch and compared it with the Pebble, I knew it was MUCH better than the Pebble. At first, I wasn't chomping at the bit to get one, but the more and more I look at the Smartwatch market, especially the Apple Watch, I know I want to buy one. I think it offers the best feature set out there, with the exception of the Gear S that can make calls and stuff without being tethered to a phone, and in my opinion the second best design of a smartwatch (Moto 360 is still my favorite looking).

I think it is a well rounded device with a lot of useful features, great design, and quality build. I personally can't wait to get my hands on one.

The features in the new Apple watch are constrained by state of the art technology. Everyone faces this constraint. Apple's advantage is its ecosystem and tight integration with its other devices. Not to mention its high quality.

Apple isn't just about beating the competition. They're also about making devices that people want to use (and in this case, wear). Most people will wait and see what the Apple Watch looks like on the wrists of early adopters before buying one, and many will wait for the second or even third iteration of the device before buying one, but if Apple did what they do best (and I'm betting at least $349.00 plus tax that they did), the experience of using the watch is what will sell the watch. Not because it's "better" or "more stylish", but because day in and day out it "just works" and in ways that will feel intuitive and natural as soon as you strap one on. So yes, others have done the watch before, with sales and gimmicks in the forefront. Apple is concerned about sales too, and they may have thrown a few gimmicks in for good measure, but they tend to put the experience of the end user first. It just happens to work out for them well on Wall Street, but their focus is on Main Street.