1. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    I agree with you that the AW is a poor running watch, for many of the reasons you list, but there is a solution (not a great one) to that particular issue - turn on water mode on the Series 2/Nike+ watch just after you start the run. It means a turn of the crown at the end of the run to turn it off, but at least there's that.

    But, yes, the watch should use physical button presses for workout mode, or at least have the option. Then long-press the buttons to go home or to the dock, etc.
    I'll give the water mode a try, thanks
    05-23-2017 12:34 AM
  2. eve6er69's Avatar
    I'm a runner. Have never used Garmin bc they're so freakin ugly. I should probably give in and just give it a try. I put up with the Apple Watch for running. It's not great but it does ok -- just ok. I am really hoping that Apple improves it. I've never experienced a phantom press that ends my workout. Man, that would tick me off.
    With garmin using the round design on the forerunner and Fenix versions, I feel that they are better looking than the Apple Watch. I will warn you, if you're a runner you will fall in love with the farming the first workout you do. The amount of details you get from your workout is just crazy.
    05-23-2017 01:07 AM
  3. eve6er69's Avatar
    I've had a full 6 months now with a Nike edition Apple Watch and I've started looking into selling it and getting a Garmin.

    The thing is that as I see it, there's no one Smart Watch that truly does it all, you've got to pick what's most important to you. The Apple Watch beats Garmin (any Garmin) in many ways but the Apple Watch is a poor watch for runners - and I'm a runner and that's what is important to me. Yeah some of you will run with one but that doesn't make it the best. There's one major problem - the touchscreen, which is unreliable if there's any moisture anywhere near it, whether that be from sweaty fingers or from rain. There's nothing quite like running for an hour and finding that a phantom press of the touchscreen ended your workout quite some time ago. Until touchscreen technology improves, sports watches need physical buttons. Garmin also have Apple beaten on battery life and being able to have the time always present on the display. I'll miss Apple Pay on the watch, I'll miss the interactive notifications, I'll miss a watch that has music playback and some other stuff, but right now, all of these things are just nice to have (for me) whereas the top-notch running stuff is essential
    I have to agree with you on the touchscreen side of things. I believe when I was looking at the Garmin lineup when I was trying to figure out what to buy. There was one with a touchscreen and I immediately said NOPE! If I were running or doing a crazy workout I would want a actual button rather than possibly hitting the stop workout button accidentally and hating myself and the Watch all day. Lol.
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    05-23-2017 01:10 AM
  4. rangerdeyo's Avatar
    Well I consider myself a runner and a fitness enthusiast, and I love my Watch. I use the MapMyRun app, which requires a hard press to pull up a pause or resume option for my runs. Pushing pause gives you the option to end your run. I also wear the watch while I hike, swim, do yoga or any other workout. So I can track almost anything I choose to do.

    My only issue with the app is I still need to carry my phone which I really dont care about. When I swim, I can use the stock workout app.
    05-23-2017 10:29 AM
  5. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    I have to agree with you on the touchscreen side of things. I believe when I was looking at the Garmin lineup when I was trying to figure out what to buy. There was one with a touchscreen and I immediately said NOPE! If I were running or doing a crazy workout I would want a actual button rather than possibly hitting the stop workout button accidentally and hating myself and the Watch all day. Lol.
    Yeah the 630 is the touchscreen one and it's definitely NOT the one that I want. Maybe it's coincidence but every watch that Garmin has released since the 630 has had buttons rather than a touchscreen.
    05-23-2017 11:11 AM
  6. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    With garmin using the round design on the forerunner and Fenix versions, I feel that they are better looking than the Apple Watch. I will warn you, if you're a runner you will fall in love with the farming the first workout you do. The amount of details you get from your workout is just crazy.
    Yes, my old Garmin 920XT measures cadence, vertical oscillation and stride length from an accelerometer in the chest strap and while people generally maybe don't care about those figures I can see that in the past year my stride length has improved by 10%+ whilst maintaining my cadence meaning that I'm running more efficiently which is something an Apple Watch can't tell you.
    05-23-2017 11:18 AM
  7. ronpfid's Avatar
    Thats true, the AW seems more similar to fitness watches, rather than hardcore running watches, that actually suits me better (the general scope), I do a little running, weightlifting, biking, cardio, etc. That's why I'd love the app format of Garmin but using the AW. It's nice to have all data on one screen with details with one click. click workout, see HR graph so you can see how your HR ramped up and where it was at during the workout, instead of picking health, vitals, HR, show all data, date, then a big long string of times with each HR next to it. I dont' even bother looking.
    05-23-2017 12:05 PM
  8. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    From my point of view I have no loyalty to any of the brands only to what's right for me and as long as people are making informed buying decisions then I have no issue with that. I have devices from both Apple and Garmin and keep up to date with all of the various brands so like to think I've got a good balanced view. From my point of view, the advanced running features from Garmin are the selling point. Overall it is a less capable Smart Watch but the thing that it's device names suggest it should do well (the forerunners) it completely nails. Anyone who looked at Garmin a few years ago should maybe look again...they've moved on from ropey looking watches with dismal software (perhaps Apple potentially moving into their market has forced them to step up).
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    05-23-2017 03:10 PM
  9. eyecrispy's Avatar
    From my point of view I have no loyalty to any of the brands only to what's right for me and as long as people are making informed buying decisions then I have no issue with that. I have devices from both Apple and Garmin and keep up to date with all of the various brands so like to think I've got a good balanced view. From my point of view, the advanced running features from Garmin are the selling point. Overall it is a less capable Smart Watch but the thing that it's device names suggest it should do well (the forerunners) it completely nails. Anyone who looked at Garmin a few years ago should maybe look again...they've moved on from ropey looking watches with dismal software (perhaps Apple potentially moving into their market has forced them to step up).
    I may have to take a look at Garmin. I love my AW bc of the other features and apps. Like I've stated in previous posts, i do want more running features.
    05-23-2017 06:21 PM
  10. ronpfid's Avatar
    Love to squeeze these into one watch! Once you use the Garmin app, you'll love it for running for sure. The screen isn't bright and nice like the AW, the notifications are non interactive and not as nice, you can still get them though, and calendar stuff, the weather and all that. It's just not a bright little smart phone on your wrist, but for exercise, their awesome.
    05-23-2017 07:10 PM
  11. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    I may have to take a look at Garmin. I love my AW bc of the other features and apps. Like I've stated in previous posts, i do want more running features.
    Just to prove that I'm not just praising Garmin as I'm about to get a new one, don't get excited about apps on a Garmin. The last time I checked there's very few and they don't do much; I think there's promise of much more to come in the future but they weren't a factor in my decision because I think the AW is well ahead here.
    05-23-2017 11:25 PM
  12. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    Love to squeeze these into one watch! Once you use the Garmin app, you'll love it for running for sure. The screen isn't bright and nice like the AW, the notifications are non interactive and not as nice, you can still get them though, and calendar stuff, the weather and all that. It's just not a bright little smart phone on your wrist, but for exercise, their awesome.
    You're right if you jammed all of the features into one watch you'd have something truly great. If you added physical buttons to AW and beefed up the running app then you'd be pretty much there. Garmin would have more to do because they'll never have the deep system integration that the AW will have into iOS. The only question then would be choosing between a bright screen like the AW has, or a dimmer but always on screen like Garmin because I think a bright, always on screen may not be possible (with decent battery life) yet.
    05-23-2017 11:30 PM
  13. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    Just to prove that I'm not just praising Garmin as I'm about to get a new one, don't get excited about apps on a Garmin. The last time I checked there's very few and they don't do much; I think there's promise of much more to come in the future but they weren't a factor in my decision because I think the AW is well ahead here.
    Oh just to clarify here, there's the Garmin app and there's Garmin apps. The Garmin app on iPhone is very good. It syncs the data from the Garmin watch up to the cloud and shows a lot of detailed information. Garmin apps (apps that run on a Garmin) are I believe (please correct me if you know otherwise) really limited and really basic and aren't a reason to buy a Garmin. That might change in the future but not yet and probably won't be to any great degree.
    05-23-2017 11:45 PM
  14. ronpfid's Avatar
    I agree!

    Yes, the Garmin connect app on the phone is the one that is 300x better than Apple's watch/heath/activity apps. The 'apps' you can load on the watches are kinda iffy. I tried a bunch of them, most don't do quite what you think or work quite right, or are just super basic. A few aren't too bad, but their just things like adding a stopwatch or some type of other workout. For me though, it's the Connect App that apple needs to emulate. That way, the data is there, easy to see, and worth looking at.
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    05-24-2017 10:47 AM
  15. eyecrispy's Avatar
    I agree!

    Yes, the Garmin connect app on the phone is the one that is 300x better than Apple's watch/heath/activity apps. The 'apps' you can load on the watches are kinda iffy. I tried a bunch of them, most don't do quite what you think or work quite right, or are just super basic. A few aren't too bad, but their just things like adding a stopwatch or some type of other workout. For me though, it's the Connect App that apple needs to emulate. That way, the data is there, easy to see, and worth looking at.
    I wouldn't expect much from their apps, to be honest. I know that when it comes to apps, the AW wins out. That said, there are a lot of crummy apps for AW.
    05-24-2017 11:47 AM
  16. ronpfid's Avatar
    I wouldn't expect much from their apps, to be honest. I know that when it comes to apps, the AW wins out. That said, there are a lot of crummy apps for AW.
    Right that's what I meant when I said,
    The 'apps' you can load on the watches are kinda iffy. I tried a bunch of them, most don't do quite what you think or work quite right, or are just super basic. A few aren't too bad, but their just things like adding a stopwatch or some type of other workout.

    And I'll add...
    I never needed or used any of their apps, I did add a couple widgets though, those were great, and a bigger digit watch face.
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    05-24-2017 11:51 AM
  17. munichblue's Avatar
    I've had a full 6 months now with a Nike edition Apple Watch and I've started looking into selling it and getting a Garmin.

    The thing is that as I see it, there's no one Smart Watch that truly does it all, you've got to pick what's most important to you. The Apple Watch beats Garmin (any Garmin) in many ways but the Apple Watch is a poor watch for runners - and I'm a runner and that's what is important to me. Yeah some of you will run with one but that doesn't make it the best. There's one major problem - the touchscreen, which is unreliable if there's any moisture anywhere near it, whether that be from sweaty fingers or from rain. There's nothing quite like running for an hour and finding that a phantom press of the touchscreen ended your workout quite some time ago. Until touchscreen technology improves, sports watches need physical buttons. Garmin also have Apple beaten on battery life and being able to have the time always present on the display. I'll miss Apple Pay on the watch, I'll miss the interactive notifications, I'll miss a watch that has music playback and some other stuff, but right now, all of these things are just nice to have (for me) whereas the top-notch running stuff is essential
    I'm sort of a runner, but I'm a sweater, that's for sure. After 15 minutes of running my Apple Watch is heavily moistured but I never experienced problems with the touchscreen. Neither have I missed physical buttons nor did I have any problems with the battery for the whole day.

    But to each his own!
    07-28-2017 01:27 PM
  18. ronpfid's Avatar
    My AW does all kinds of things on it's own, not even when sweaty. Several times a day I find it's in theater mode, or silent mode, or usually that dang water mode. I go to press, nothing, nothing, dang it, press again, oh dang that little blue water drop icon is on top. spin the dial... boop boop boop boop boop boop BEEEP, now i can use it again. Very annoying!

    I actually still haven't bothered even using it as a fitness tracker anymore. Not for exercise, HR, steps... now mine is just a watch with notifications. The interface on the watch and moreso on the phone is way too nested and annoying to dig in and look at the data. I hate those stupid little progress circles, I like numbers. I won't want to see a loop for steps, I want the step count, right there easy to see.

    I like the watch 'as a watch', unless they really change things this will be my last AW when it it's old. It's a fun gadget. I hate to say but am looking more forward to Garmin getting their notifications setup better while keeping their awesome phone and webpage data so easy, then I'll switch back to Garmin and have something really cool. If Garmin had a nice screen like the AW I'd switch right now, but then their battery would only last a day.
    07-28-2017 01:34 PM
  19. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    I like the watch 'as a watch', unless they really change things this will be my last AW when it it's old. It's a fun gadget. I hate to say but am looking more forward to Garmin getting their notifications setup better while keeping their awesome phone and webpage data so easy, then I'll switch back to Garmin and have something really cool. If Garmin had a nice screen like the AW I'd switch right now, but then their battery would only last a day.
    I don't know what you mean by Garmin getting their notifications setup better; it's as good now as it's ever likely to be. I get my alerts on my Forerunner 935 and they're fine. They're never going to be interactive in any way because Apple will never make that possible for 3rd parties and that's ok. I can see enough on each alert to see if I need to reach for my phone or not.

    The screen is also fine. I can tell the time without having to shake my arm like a crazy person and I need to charge maybe 1 once week if I use GPS a lot.

    It all comes down to which compromises bother you the least. You'll be waiting a long time to get the best of both worlds.
    08-02-2017 01:20 PM
  20. ronpfid's Avatar
    I don't know what you mean by Garmin getting their notifications setup better; it's as good now as it's ever likely to be. I get my alerts on my Forerunner 935 and they're fine. They're never going to be interactive in any way because Apple will never make that possible for 3rd parties and that's ok. I can see enough on each alert to see if I need to reach for my phone or not.

    The screen is also fine. I can tell the time without having to shake my arm like a crazy person and I need to charge maybe 1 once week if I use GPS a lot.

    It all comes down to which compromises bother you the least. You'll be waiting a long time to get the best of both worlds.
    I had an FR 235 and a Vivoactive HR, when the notifications worked, they worked great. Sometimes they would just 'not work' for a whole day, or it wouldn't alert me when my phone was ringing. I expect it to be more 'solid' as the updates occur over time.

    Now my AW, I don't shake my arm 'like a crazy person', I just tip my wrist and it lights up. The Vivoactive HR screen is really dim in the house. I know, I know, it's a compromise, bright screen means short battery life, thus my apple watch needs charged every 48 hours rather than a week like the Garmin watches.

    The garmin connect (web and phone app) though, completely blow away the AW's fitness data. I don't even bother looking at it with my AW, for me, it's just a smart watch. Bright screen, looks cool, comfortable, great interaction, fun gadget type stuff.
    08-02-2017 01:39 PM
  21. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    I had an FR 235 and a Vivoactive HR, when the notifications worked, they worked great. Sometimes they would just 'not work' for a whole day, or it wouldn't alert me when my phone was ringing. I expect it to be more 'solid' as the updates occur over time.

    Now my AW, I don't shake my arm 'like a crazy person', I just tip my wrist and it lights up. The Vivoactive HR screen is really dim in the house. I know, I know, it's a compromise, bright screen means short battery life, thus my apple watch needs charged every 48 hours rather than a week like the Garmin watches.

    The garmin connect (web and phone app) though, completely blow away the AW's fitness data. I don't even bother looking at it with my AW, for me, it's just a smart watch. Bright screen, looks cool, comfortable, great interaction, fun gadget type stuff.
    The Garmin Connect app is the hub for Garmin on iPhone. So as well as showing all of the detailed fitness info, it serves as the link to the watch for all of the apps and widgets. I think it generally runs in the background on the phone and perhaps there's the odd crash where you notice the watch widgets have stopped updating but Garmin are actively developing it and it's getting a lot better.

    I generally find that my Garmin has the info I need on it's widgets. I have ones configured for my current HR, my training status, my running & cycling stats for the week, step count, upcoming calendar items, weather, (basic) iphone music controls and a control for my Philips Hue lights (via IFTTT) ... not bad for a watch whose smart functions are a secondary feature.

    Yeah the screen is quite dim in poor light although I have found that switching the display to be black details on a white background is more visible than the other way around.
    08-02-2017 02:01 PM
  22. ronpfid's Avatar
    I agree, I thought/hoped the AW would be the 'do it all' answer, till I seen the horrid way the fitness info is accessed on the phone and watch. I detest those stupid circles, I want to see real numbers for steps and activity. I want to see my HR during a workout with a graph, not have to dig into 4 layer deep nested menus to see HR at each little time point. Whoever set up the AW like that was not being smart. Even if things don't change much, in the future I will ditch AW and go back to Garmin, now that I've had both, I'd prefer the dimmer screen and less 'flashiness' of the Garmin over the AW just so I could actually access my data. Garmin's sleep analysis is built in and works great too. Aw you have to buy an app then I imagine the data is annoying also.
    08-02-2017 02:35 PM
  23. StraightlineBoy's Avatar
    Sleep analysis is an interesting one to me. Both the app that I had for AW and the Garmin tell me that I move about a lot in the night. Most night's I think I go to sleep and then wake up 6-8 hours later. Makes me want to put an infra-red camera in my bedroom to see what's going on - or perhaps I'm better off not knowing!!!
    08-02-2017 02:57 PM
  24. tcuprof's Avatar
    My Forerunner 220 went in the drawer when I got my Apple Watch. I love the Apple Watch for tracking my runs. I do still use ConnectStats by inputting every run into my Garmin data base. I definitely wish the Activity App had better run stats, but the I am very satisfied by the workout app on the watch.
    08-02-2017 04:26 PM
  25. ronpfid's Avatar
    Sleep analysis is an interesting one to me. Both the app that I had for AW and the Garmin tell me that I move about a lot in the night. Most night's I think I go to sleep and then wake up 6-8 hours later. Makes me want to put an infra-red camera in my bedroom to see what's going on - or perhaps I'm better off not knowing!!!
    LOL too funny!
    08-02-2017 07:33 PM
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