1. AAPLfan's Avatar
    Well, I thought a similar thing when I transitioned from a laptop that had a DVD/ burner to the MacBook Air which didn't even have a CD player... Installed my software from the website downloads, streamed via music services, etc. And I hardly remember an optical drive being integrated in these things anymore

    There's always a learning curve to everything and don't think it will be any different with this new step of tech. It's this wait for my MacBook that seems to be the unbearable part. #firstworldproblems
    05-10-2015 09:05 AM
  2. HankAZ's Avatar
    Well, I thought a similar thing when I transitioned from a laptop that had a DVD/ burner to the MacBook Air which didn't even have a CD player... Installed my software from the website downloads, streamed via music services, etc. And I hardly remember an optical drive being integrated in these things anymore

    There's always a learning curve to everything and don't think it will be any different with this new step of tech. It's this wait for my MacBook that seems to be the unbearable part. #firstworldproblems
    It's part of the evolution of the personal computer. The same was said when the 5" and 3" floppy drives were eliminated. Now the optical drives are virtually relics of the past. I am not sure a single port on a laptop will work, but eventually, that may very well be the norm. My only concern, beyond having to buy devices/adapters with only the USB-C connector is the occasional need for multiple things connected concurrently (power and a thumb drive, for example).
    05-10-2015 11:01 AM
  3. Bigeric23's Avatar
    I don't like it. Have to buy the adapters when reading a USB disk or using a 2.4G USB Mouse.
    Yeah, if you needs ports on a regular basis, this laptop (current versions) is not for you.
    05-13-2015 11:59 AM
  4. Robster33's Avatar
    I have had my rMP for week now and have used the adapter twice, once to step and yesterday to do a back up before i downloaded 10.4 Beta. I use Bose BT headphones, or Sonos, its great being wireless just pick up and go around the house or going out. Charging is just like a iPad or iPhone.
    05-14-2015 12:45 AM
  5. Bigeric23's Avatar
    I have had my rMP for week now and have used the adapter twice, once to step and yesterday to do a back up before i downloaded 10.4 Beta. I use Bose BT headphones, or Sonos, its great being wireless just pick up and go around the house or going out. Charging is just like a iPad or iPhone.
    How is the battery life?
    05-14-2015 11:35 AM
  6. Robster33's Avatar
    I have only really used it around the house and have been plugging it in when not using on my desk. Seems good though.
    05-14-2015 07:52 PM
  7. tapehead's Avatar
    I can't compare this to the removal of the 5-inch floppy, the 3-inch floppy, or the CD-Rom for one very simple reason: Apple isn't offering us a new technology to replace it that has the potential to become ubiquitous. At least not right now. Much like firewire and thunderbolt, Apple can't guarantee that this new USB-C port will become an industry standard. Are they not aware they make the iPod and the iPhone? You want me to transfer my media through a USB dongle connector? I have things connected to my laptop 75% of the time, whether a scanner, my drawing tablet, my iPhone, my external harddrive, etc. And given how many issues peripherals have with USB hubs, I can't imagine it would be any better with the USB adapter.

    And not only that, but the fact that I can't use a device and charge my laptop at the same time is a major, major dealbreaker. If anybody ever needed proof that Apple is floundering since Steve Jobs died, nobody needs to look any further than the 2015 Macbook. Overpriced, underpowered, and not as functional as previous Apple computers. I always felt Apple set the standard for timeless computers. The Macbook Air was very forward thinking, even if the price was completely ridiculous and insulting to customers. But unlike the Air, the 2015 Macbook has functional issues that prevent it from actually being a laptop. This is just a tablet with a physical keyboard.
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    05-29-2015 04:02 AM
  8. hollidizzle's Avatar
    i'm all about functionality. I don't have much plugged up to my MacBook Pro but I typically keep my iPhone cable hooked to it and charge my phone with it..

    That being said, no I don't NEED a bunch of ports but in the event that I DO need a USB port it would be nice to have one. Idk what Apples infatuation is with making everything ungodly thin at the expense of functionality... "Lets give everything less and less memory, take out all expansion options, hell lets take out the cool backlight. But lets make it THIN.". NO Apple. I'm sorry. No. I hope this is an experiment that isn't brought back. MAYBE if it was priced at like $600 I could dig it... But for $1200 you mean to tell me I can't even plug a thumb drive into this flimsy thing????
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    05-30-2015 06:48 AM
  9. Bigeric23's Avatar
    i'm all about functionality. I don't have much plugged up to my MacBook Pro but I typically keep my iPhone cable hooked to it and charge my phone with it..

    That being said, no I don't NEED a bunch of ports but in the event that I DO need a USB port it would be nice to have one. Idk what Apples infatuation is with making everything ungodly thin at the expense of functionality... "Lets give everything less and less memory, take out all expansion options, hell lets take out the cool backlight. But lets make it THIN.". NO Apple. I'm sorry. No. I hope this is an experiment that isn't brought back. MAYBE if it was priced at like $600 I could dig it... But for $1200 you mean to tell me I can't even plug a thumb drive into this flimsy thing????
    And all of your points--which are valid--are what's keeping me from purchasing one of these devices. Particularly this one: "...lets take out the cool backlight."
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    05-30-2015 11:28 AM
  10. Channan's Avatar
    I can't compare this to the removal of the 5-inch floppy, the 3-inch floppy, or the CD-Rom for one very simple reason: Apple isn't offering us a new technology to replace it that has the potential to become ubiquitous. At least not right now. Much like firewire and thunderbolt, Apple can't guarantee that this new USB-C port will become an industry standard. Are they not aware they make the iPod and the iPhone? You want me to transfer my media through a USB dongle connector? I have things connected to my laptop 75% of the time, whether a scanner, my drawing tablet, my iPhone, my external harddrive, etc. And given how many issues peripherals have with USB hubs, I can't imagine it would be any better with the USB adapter.

    And not only that, but the fact that I can't use a device and charge my laptop at the same time is a major, major dealbreaker. If anybody ever needed proof that Apple is floundering since Steve Jobs died, nobody needs to look any further than the 2015 Macbook. Overpriced, underpowered, and not as functional as previous Apple computers. I always felt Apple set the standard for timeless computers. The Macbook Air was very forward thinking, even if the price was completely ridiculous and insulting to customers. But unlike the Air, the 2015 Macbook has functional issues that prevent it from actually being a laptop. This is just a tablet with a physical keyboard.
    USB-C will become standard, though. It's inevitable. It's not just some new, alternative connector to USB. It's the evolution of it, and it's being backed up by several companies. It may (and probably will) take a few years to become more used than the current USB, but it will eventually replace it.

    That being said, I don't think giving this laptop a single port for charging and data transfer was the way to go. I'd rather trade the headphone jack for another USB-C port and use an adapter for those few instances I want to plug in a wired headset.
    05-30-2015 01:07 PM
  11. tapehead's Avatar
    I just don't get why it only needs to have one port... What is Apple trying to accomplish with this machine? Who is the target audience?
    05-30-2015 01:10 PM
  12. Bigeric23's Avatar
    I just don't get why it only needs to have one port... What is Apple trying to accomplish with this machine? Who is the target audience?
    I think Apple is attempting to push the envelope--maybe too much. And I think the target audience is someone that only needs one step above an iPad most of the time.

    Just my opinion.
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    05-30-2015 01:44 PM
  13. tapehead's Avatar
    That's fine, but... $1200 kind of slashes that idea. Who wants to spend $1200 on an e-mail machine. Sorry. Haha. I'm negative right now.
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    05-30-2015 03:46 PM
  14. Bigeric23's Avatar
    That's fine, but... $1200 kind of slashes that idea. Who wants to spend $1200 on an e-mail machine. Sorry. Haha. I'm negative right now.
    No, you're not being negative. . . . That is a lot of money. Although, I once spent $3,500 on a ThinkPad.
    05-30-2015 04:19 PM
  15. hitmanbb88's Avatar
    I just don't get why it only needs to have one port... What is Apple trying to accomplish with this machine? Who is the target audience?
    It's the same as optical drives. Today, none of the laptops being offered by Apple has one, except for the one non-retina MBP. The question to ask is: How often do you use those ports? If you're like many users, placing data on the cloud, then this machine is for you. For me, I'm happy with my MacBook so far. None to complain.
    06-09-2015 05:33 PM
  16. xtremeled's Avatar
    Push the idea, Convince your clients it's the best idea ever, convince them they need it, show them how easy it is to buy, point them in the direction to buy one.
    06-09-2015 05:48 PM
  17. bones467's Avatar
    I am just an average user and it is my first Mac.... the one port so far (had the laptop few weeks now) does not bother me, I'm using the Apple HDMI adapter which is fine when I need it although is expensive. Depends what you want from your laptop ... for me the one port is not a real issue and like have a super slim laptop!
    06-09-2015 06:29 PM
  18. tapehead's Avatar
    It's the same as optical drives. Today, none of the laptops being offered by Apple has one, except for the one non-retina MBP. The question to ask is: How often do you use those ports? If you're like many users, placing data on the cloud, then this machine is for you. For me, I'm happy with my MacBook so far. None to complain.


    The lack of optical drive is obnoxious, but liveable. There are alternatives to the CD-drive given the advancements in thumb drives and streaming services. But because I have a very large (and ever-growing) CD collection, having some sort of CD-rom drive is essential for me. I do have an external player from the netbook days, so I can live without one in the laptop if necessary. That said, I need USB right now because there is no alternative to it. I need to be able to sync my phone, use my scanner (which does not work through hubs), my printer, my external keyboard and mouse at my desk...

    This laptop just isn't practical for a large portion of the market. At least, not for the price. If this machine were $200, then fine. But not for $1200. For half the cost, I can buy a refurbed Macbook/Pro/Air on eBay with 10x the functionality. I just don't see any advantages to this machine. I mean, even if you can't justify having ports on your machine, it doesn't hurt to have them. Particularly when the price is lower.

    Apple is just obsessed with this Bauhaus mentality where everything has to be stripped to its very core to where it just barely can be labelled as a laptop. Sure, thin chairs made of one curved piece of plastic are still functional... but that doesn't make them comfortable.
    06-10-2015 08:07 AM
  19. hitmanbb88's Avatar
    The lack of optical drive is obnoxious, but liveable. There are alternatives to the CD-drive given the advancements in thumb drives and streaming services. But because I have a very large (and ever-growing) CD collection, having some sort of CD-rom drive is essential for me. I do have an external player from the netbook days, so I can live without one in the laptop if necessary. That said, I need USB right now because there is no alternative to it. I need to be able to sync my phone, use my scanner (which does not work through hubs), my printer, my external keyboard and mouse at my desk...

    This laptop just isn't practical for a large portion of the market. At least, not for the price. If this machine were $200, then fine. But not for $1200. For half the cost, I can buy a refurbed Macbook/Pro/Air on eBay with 10x the functionality. I just don't see any advantages to this machine. I mean, even if you can't justify having ports on your machine, it doesn't hurt to have them. Particularly when the price is lower.

    Apple is just obsessed with this Bauhaus mentality where everything has to be stripped to its very core to where it just barely can be labelled as a laptop. Sure, thin chairs made of one curved piece of plastic are still functional... but that doesn't make them comfortable.
    I do see your point. Not all product is considered to be "one-size fits all" though. I wouldn't say that it's not for a large portion of the market, as there may be a large portion of the market that the rMB meets their needs. Only Apple knows exactly how much they've sold.
    tapehead likes this.
    06-10-2015 06:00 PM
  20. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    The lack of optical drive is obnoxious, but liveable. There are alternatives to the CD-drive given the advancements in thumb drives and streaming services. But because I have a very large (and ever-growing) CD collection, having some sort of CD-rom drive is essential for me. I do have an external player from the netbook days, so I can live without one in the laptop if necessary. That said, I need USB right now because there is no alternative to it. I need to be able to sync my phone, use my scanner (which does not work through hubs), my printer, my external keyboard and mouse at my desk...

    This laptop just isn't practical for a large portion of the market. At least, not for the price. If this machine were $200, then fine. But not for $1200. For half the cost, I can buy a refurbed Macbook/Pro/Air on eBay with 10x the functionality. I just don't see any advantages to this machine. I mean, even if you can't justify having ports on your machine, it doesn't hurt to have them. Particularly when the price is lower.

    Apple is just obsessed with this Bauhaus mentality where everything has to be stripped to its very core to where it just barely can be labelled as a laptop. Sure, thin chairs made of one curved piece of plastic are still functional... but that doesn't make them comfortable.
    The '15 Macbook has sold quite well apparently, so there is a pretty large market for it after all. At the end of the day, it's not for you...big deal. The computer focuses it's merits on people who prefer streaming and downloadable media/support. You said you have a very large CD collection...this is a pretty good indicator that this machine wasn't ever intended to be attractive to you as a consumer product.

    I'm sure there are still people who have enormous VHS collections that feel the lack of VCR's in the current market is ridiculous, and to them, that line of thinking makes total sense...as ridiculous as it actually is when looking at the over all picture.

    Notice that Apple also still carries their Macbook Pro line as well as their desktop offerings. This most recent Macbook release was not supposed to take the place of any of those machines...it was simply a different offering to attract a specific group of consumers (which it did, quite successfully apparently). When the Macbook Pro comes out, it will include features more focused on what those types of consumers find important (USB's, for instance, given the amount of peripherals used with MBP's that are still 100% focused on USB connections).

    Apple makes a lot of products...not all of them will be completely attractive to every consumer. Some might not be attractive at all to every consumer. Just because you don't find it worth while, is it really logical to think Apple should just avoid marketing it to other people? I personally cannot stand the Apple TV unit, but I know it works really well for some people. I feel Apple should have done 1,000 things to make that product better, but to some, it's perfect as it sits. By your logic, because I don't see a usefulness in the Apple TV, Apple shouldn't have ever made it, or should have made it exactly how I wanted it.
    06-10-2015 07:01 PM
  21. tapehead's Avatar
    The '15 Macbook has sold quite well apparently, so there is a pretty large market for it after all. At the end of the day, it's not for you...big deal. The computer focuses it's merits on people who prefer streaming and downloadable media/support. You said you have a very large CD collection...this is a pretty good indicator that this machine wasn't ever intended to be attractive to you as a consumer product.

    I'm sure there are still people who have enormous VHS collections that feel the lack of VCR's in the current market is ridiculous, and to them, that line of thinking makes total sense...as ridiculous as it actually is when looking at the over all picture.

    Notice that Apple also still carries their Macbook Pro line as well as their desktop offerings. This most recent Macbook release was not supposed to take the place of any of those machines...it was simply a different offering to attract a specific group of consumers (which it did, quite successfully apparently). When the Macbook Pro comes out, it will include features more focused on what those types of consumers find important (USB's, for instance, given the amount of peripherals used with MBP's that are still 100% focused on USB connections).

    Apple makes a lot of products...not all of them will be completely attractive to every consumer. Some might not be attractive at all to every consumer. Just because you don't find it worth while, is it really logical to think Apple should just avoid marketing it to other people? I personally cannot stand the Apple TV unit, but I know it works really well for some people. I feel Apple should have done 1,000 things to make that product better, but to some, it's perfect as it sits. By your logic, because I don't see a usefulness in the Apple TV, Apple shouldn't have ever made it, or should have made it exactly how I wanted it.
    Well you didn't address the issue with the price. I don't have a problem with the product itself so much as what Apple is charging for this product. That's a big reason for the criticism. I mean, we all know about the Apple tax and how you pay for branding, design in addition to high-quality and longevity. But this is really obscene and, in my opinion, taking it too far. I mean make all the ultra-thin laptops you want but don't charge $1200 for a machine with fewer features. I feel that's disrespectful to Apple consumers. This machine is being sold at a higher price than my Macbook Pro was at the time of its release, but it's not bringing anything new to the table. Quite the contrary, it's removing features. I just don't see a USB port as "professional" feature really... In the computer world, USB 2/3 isn't going anywhere for a while. It will eventually be phased out, but it's not going to be anytime soon (at least, that's my prediction).

    Anyway. Just my two cents. If you're happy with your laptop, that's cool. Do you. But I haven't seen anybody been able to justify the price.
    06-10-2015 07:58 PM
  22. Robster33's Avatar
    The lack of optical drive is obnoxious, but liveable. There are alternatives to the CD-drive given the advancements in thumb drives and streaming services. But because I have a very large (and ever-growing) CD collection, having some sort of CD-rom drive is essential for me. I do have an external player from the netbook days, so I can live without one in the laptop if necessary. That said, I need USB right now because there is no alternative to it. I need to be able to sync my phone, use my scanner (which does not work through hubs), my printer, my external keyboard and mouse at my desk...



    This laptop just isn't practical for a large portion of the market. At least, not for the price. If this machine were $200, then fine. But not for $1200. For half the cost, I can buy a refurbed Macbook/Pro/Air on eBay with 10x the functionality. I just don't see any advantages to this machine. I mean, even if you can't justify having ports on your machine, it doesn't hurt to have them. Particularly when the price is lower.

    Apple is just obsessed with this Bauhaus mentality where everything has to be stripped to its very core to where it just barely can be labelled as a laptop. Sure, thin chairs made of one curved piece of plastic are still functional... but that doesn't make them comfortable.
    You don't have to buy one you know I have never seen the point of a portable laptop with all that crap plugged into it unless it never leaves a desk but Gee just buy a iMac or desktop Pc and stop your winging. $200 very funny, and i wouldn't have a Air if it was free, well i would take it and sell it, you heard of Retina. And what's a CD I sync my phone and Cd drive with it just fine.
    Haven't you figured it out yet WIRELESS is the future, wireless sync, printer/scanner, airplay, too easy. Cables and USB, CD's will die a slow death.
    06-10-2015 08:43 PM
  23. Robster33's Avatar
    Well you didn't address the issue with the price. I don't have a problem with the product itself so much as what Apple is charging for this product. That's a big reason for the criticism. I mean, we all know about the Apple tax and how you pay for branding, design in addition to high-quality and longevity. But this is really obscene and, in my opinion, taking it too far. I mean make all the ultra-thin laptops you want but don't charge $1200 for a machine with fewer features. I feel that's disrespectful to Apple consumers. This machine is being sold at a higher price than my Macbook Pro was at the time of its release, but it's not bringing anything new to the table. Quite the contrary, it's removing features. I just don't see a USB port as "professional" feature really... In the computer world, USB 2/3 isn't going anywhere for a while. It will eventually be phased out, but it's not going to be anytime soon (at least, that's my prediction).

    Anyway. Just my two cents. If you're happy with your laptop, that's cool. Do you. But I haven't seen anybody been able to justify the price.

    Actually a new keyboard and track pad, no fans, better speakers, no light bleed, and the size are pretty big new features if you ask me.
    06-10-2015 08:49 PM
  24. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Well you didn't address the issue with the price. I don't have a problem with the product itself so much as what Apple is charging for this product. That's a big reason for the criticism. I mean, we all know about the Apple tax and how you pay for branding, design in addition to high-quality and longevity. But this is really obscene and, in my opinion, taking it too far. I mean make all the ultra-thin laptops you want but don't charge $1200 for a machine with fewer features. I feel that's disrespectful to Apple consumers. This machine is being sold at a higher price than my Macbook Pro was at the time of its release, but it's not bringing anything new to the table. Quite the contrary, it's removing features. I just don't see a USB port as "professional" feature really... In the computer world, USB 2/3 isn't going anywhere for a while. It will eventually be phased out, but it's not going to be anytime soon (at least, that's my prediction).

    Anyway. Just my two cents. If you're happy with your laptop, that's cool. Do you. But I haven't seen anybody been able to justify the price.
    Nobody has to justify the price of something to anyone but themselves...if I want to spend $2,000 on the '15 Macbook, that is my business...maybe it is worth it to me for some function it has, or maybe I just like the way it looks enough to spend the money (for clarities sake, I do not feel it is worth the cost either, FYI).

    There is no "issue" with the cost, you simply don't feel it's worth it...and that's fine, don't buy it. Lots of people feel otherwise, and they have bought one.

    And the '15 brings plenty of "new" things to the table that even the current MBP's don't have...battery efficiency, form factor, interior design which renders cooling fans irrelevant, the new keyboard, haptic trackpad (though the most recent MBP did get that), and I'm sure I'm missing a few things. And Apple priced it where they felt it was appropriate within their line of computers...don't agree? Congratulations, you've made a consumer decision...doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the pricing point, it just means it's not for you.

    I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that. I personally don't feel that Mac Pro is worth the money Apple asks for it, but I don't sit here and complain that Apple is doing something wrong by charging that...it is what it is, and a lot of people buy them for what they ask, so why wouldn't they?

    Your issue is that you approach this strictly from a consumer stance, so your priorities and your opinions of what is "fair" is kind of a moot point, because you're not in the market of making a profit off these products.
    06-10-2015 10:51 PM
  25. tapehead's Avatar
    Nobody has to justify the price of something to anyone but themselves...if I want to spend $2,000 on the '15 Macbook, that is my business...maybe it is worth it to me for some function it has, or maybe I just like the way it looks enough to spend the money (for clarities sake, I do not feel it is worth the cost either, FYI).

    There is no "issue" with the cost, you simply don't feel it's worth it...and that's fine, don't buy it. Lots of people feel otherwise, and they have bought one.

    And the '15 brings plenty of "new" things to the table that even the current MBP's don't have...battery efficiency, form factor, interior design which renders cooling fans irrelevant, the new keyboard, haptic trackpad (though the most recent MBP did get that), and I'm sure I'm missing a few things. And Apple priced it where they felt it was appropriate within their line of computers...don't agree? Congratulations, you've made a consumer decision...doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the pricing point, it just means it's not for you.

    I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that. I personally don't feel that Mac Pro is worth the money Apple asks for it, but I don't sit here and complain that Apple is doing something wrong by charging that...it is what it is, and a lot of people buy them for what they ask, so why wouldn't they?

    Your issue is that you approach this strictly from a consumer stance, so your priorities and your opinions of what is "fair" is kind of a moot point, because you're not in the market of making a profit off these products.
    All the things you listed don't justify the price from a business standpoint. It's not simply opinion that's influencing my decision. The new Macbooks don't stand alone, but amongst all of the rival products and standards. The Macbook shoots way passed the average pricing for what you actually get. That's just fact. I mean, the new keyboard feels pretty similar to the Microsoft Surface keyboard if you ask me, so I don't know that I can call that innovative. Haptic feedback does not require $500 worth of work. Cell phones and mp3 players have had them for a very, very long time, and it's not exactly a major implement. And while the lack of cooling fans is a serious improvement (should this model hold up over time), that's still less product Apple has to buy, meaning you're being charged for things that aren't there. Not only that, but the laptop is upgradeable, meaning you have no option to improve its performance. The ratio of inflation on the price of the Macbook is higher than just about any Apple product (except the Mac Pro-- we agree here). That's not opinion.

    My opinion: The thing is junk. It's not functional, and it's lame.

    Fact: From a financial standpoint, Apple pays next to nothing to make these and is charging a ridiculous amount of money for it-- higher than most other Apple products (in relation to manufacture and shipment costs). Kind of reminds me of the iPod/iPod Mini pricing disaster. Where the iPod Mini was $250 for 4GB and the iPod 4th Gen was $300 for 20GB...

    Sorry if I wasn't clear. But seeing as this is a forum and this is a thread asking about how opinions on the new Macbook... I'll feel free to state my opinion. Same as you're allowed to post yours.
    06-11-2015 05:37 AM
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