- 08-12-2014, 11:29 AM #26
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- 08-13-2014, 05:01 AM #28
Re: Robin Williams
truly tragic news. And suicide. Well he was a great actor, and i feel lucky enough to be old enough to remember when mork and mindy was on, him coming out of the egg, sitting in chairs wrong, Pam Dawber, etc. And then all the great great movies he was in. Truly very sad
- 08-13-2014, 10:36 AM #29
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- 08-14-2014, 12:21 AM #31
Re: Robin Williams
I am trying to stay away from comments about this. I have triggers (my uncle committed suicide and my mother attempted it). All the 'selfish' and 'coward' comments are making me angry.
Apparently poor Zelda Williams quit her social accounts because of trolls sending abusive messages and photos to her.
When someone is so depressed that they make up their mind to end it, all they feel is relief and that everyone in their world would be better off without them. That isn't selfish, not to them. To them is selfless. That's the scary part of mental illness.
I remember having an adverse reaction to a medication I never should have been on due to the family history of bipolarism, and it triggered a depression in me and made me suicidal. I remember sitting on the floor with a bottle of pills and feeling completely disconnected from everything. It was the single most terrifying feeling I've ever had.
As far as Robin Williams goes, he gave us all so much more than we gave him. He's left a legacy of work that speaks volumes. He is irreplaceable and we won't ever see someone like him again.
Mental illness sucks.
- 08-14-2014, 01:02 AM #32
Re: Robin Williams
When you have a family or you invest in friends...you cease to have only a singular responsibility in this world...your actions ripple, and sometimes they ripple in a HUGE way (in Robin Williams case, a monumentally huge way).
I used the term selfish and I don't regret it. I actually felt true sadness at the loss of this man, but you know...he took his own life and gave up on the fight that is life. There could be a billion reasons that lead up to it within his mental illness, but in the end, his exit from this world came at a very heavy cost...one that, in my opinion, was quite selfish. I feel sorry for his poor family and his close friends...the devastation of which has to be epic and absolutely heart wrenching.
I wouldn't personally call him a coward, but looking at it in a general sense, the description does fit a suicide...albeit quite untactful.
...in the end we all grieve differently. I've always been one that gets angry at people who do really REALLY preventable and "selfish" things before taking their last bow. Drug overdoses, suicides, drunk driving...I've had them all hit close to home throughout my life, and each time I just echo "Why?" Mental illnesses are such an ugly thing...I hate them, because they are so easily hidden, and so easily misguiding...
If a person's choice of words make you angry...sit back and think about why. Are you angry at those saying selfish or coward because they are being too blunt, untactful or compassionless? Empathy is a weird thing...but I'd say before getting angry at someone who would say those things (unless they are just obviously being a jacka$$), look at what they are saying, and try to imagine why they are saying it. I assure you that my assessment of suicide as being selfish is not a pot shot at Robin Williams, I just have such an immense hatred for the act of suicide that it actually makes me angry when it happens.
- 08-14-2014, 03:34 AM #33
Re: Robin Williams
My cousin shot himself with his shotgun about ten years ago. he left behind a wife and two children. His wife has fallen to pieces and she won't have anything to do with the rest of the family at all. One of his children, previously a really good kid, has turned to crime as a way of lashing out against the society it thinks failed his dad.
When I was twenty, I stopped a friend from committing suicide by sitting with her all night and talking to her about why she will be missed if she popped the shedload of pills she had stacked up in front of her. Telling her that she had friends and family who loved her and would help her through the rough times, after all, that's what friends and family are for. It was one of the hardest nights of my life.
I'm not saying this to look big, I am saying this because suicide has touched my life too and I get a jolt every time someone I know or respect takes their own life. I don't think it's cowardly to take your own life but I will say it takes even more courage to face your problems and work them out. You are never alone in this world, no matter what you think. There will always be people around, friends and sometimes even strangers who are trained to help you through these difficult times. People that will not judge you and will listen to everything you have to say and then hold you and help you work through the problems you have.
In the UK, we have the Samaritans, a country wide network with a suicide hotline staffed by volunteers who give up their time to counsel and help anyone who calls. Doubtless there is something similar in the USA too.
Suicide is never the answer as although you may be ending your suffering, you are just starting the suffering of family, loved ones and friends who may have been previously unaware that you were hurting.
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