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    Yeah but that could go either way. It could make me think twice about cheating again, or make me think twice about cheating off of that particular person again.

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    So the idea is that if you promise to "learn from it", cheating shouldn't be punished if you don't ultimately benefit from it?

    Yikes.

    And a fine doesn't hurt these guys. You make $10,000,000 and you get fined $10,000, it'd be like going 100mph in a 55 zone, and the fine is $25. Nobody would "learn" anything...they'd just pay their fine and be done with it...like parking tickets.
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    If Goodell doesn't throw the book at the Patriots organization, I freaking dare him to ever speak about the integrity of the game again. What a joke.

    Just so you know where I stand, for my part, the Patriots management, staff and players are lying, cheating scum.


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    They'll stick to their typical actions I'm guessing, and then later another team who isn't so influential to the league will do something similar, and they'll make an example out of that them and people will forget about the Patriots (until they cheat...AGAIN).
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    So the idea is that if you promise to "learn from it", cheating shouldn't be punished if you don't ultimately benefit from it?
    I was answering the analogy with a response that is logical, I am not saying that in regards to the Patriots. Cheating should be punished but if the Patriots were losing and cheating then it would be stupid to penalize them. They already in that scenario are losers, what is the point of penalizing them?



    And a fine doesn't hurt these guys. You make $10,000,000 and you get fined $10,000, it'd be like going 100mph in a 55 zone, and the fine is $25. Nobody would "learn" anything...they'd just pay their fine and be done with it...like parking tickets.
    I mean considering that the league tried to brush off worst things in recent years, I don't personally see the point of trying to tear down the entire organization over something that probably had little to no effect on the outcome of games.

    In your analogy for example, with tickets, if they aren't paid on time or have to go to court, they can still show up on your record. Which in context of the patriots, if there is a monetary penalty people will always remember that and the public face of the Patriots would be tarnished. That is a punishment in itself.

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    I was answering the analogy with a response that is logical, I am not saying that in regards to the Patriots. Cheating should be punished but if the Patriots were losing and cheating then it would be stupid to penalize them. They already in that scenario are losers, what is the point of penalizing them?
    So to you, if a person fails at the activity in which they were cheating...the failure is punishment enough?

    It's scary to think you actually believe that is sound logic. The reality is that in that scenario, there IS no penalty...only an outcome. This is the reason why many professors and teachers will give out multiple versions of tests...if you aren't caught cheating, you still fail, and if you ARE caught cheating, you fail and you face the consequences of cheating. It's all about consequences...whether you find success or not is not a consequence of cheating, that is a result of not being prepared. You're essentially saying it's not fair to the team to be punished beyond the initial failure or lack of success...you are plainly stating that cheating should not be punished in this scenario, and that makes no sense.

    I mean considering that the league tried to brush off worst things in recent years, I don't personally see the point of trying to tear down the entire organization over something that probably had little to no effect on the outcome of games.

    In your analogy for example, with tickets, if they aren't paid on time or have to go to court, they can still show up on your record. Which in context of the patriots, if there is a monetary penalty people will always remember that and the public face of the Patriots would be tarnished. That is a punishment in itself.

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    What has the NFL tried to brush off? I may not agree with the extent of their punishments, but I don't remember ANYTHING they tried to simply "brush off".

    You also missed the point of my "ticket" analogy...had nothing to do with NOT paying the citations, it had to do with simply ignoring the broken law by paying an inconsequential citation and learning nothing from it. I hate continuing to have to use analogies but it seems this is just flying over your head...but if you have a child, and the child was told not to go into the cookie jar but does it anyways...they are breaking the rules whether they get a cookie or not...by your logic, if they don't get a cookie out of the jar, but are caught in the act, they shouldn't be punished for ignoring the rules, because they didn't get a cookie.

    I don't understand how this is a proper result to you.
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    So to you, if a person fails at the activity in which they were cheating...the failure is punishment enough?

    It's scary to think you actually believe that is sound logic. The reality is that in that scenario, there IS no penalty...only an outcome. This is the reason why many professors and teachers will give out multiple versions of tests...if you aren't caught cheating, you still fail, and if you ARE caught cheating, you fail and you face the consequences of cheating. It's all about consequences...whether you find success or not is not a consequence of cheating, that is a result of not being prepared. You're essentially saying it's not fair to the team to be punished beyond the initial failure or lack of success...you are plainly stating that cheating should not be punished in this scenario, and that makes no sense.



    What has the NFL tried to brush off? I may not agree with the extent of their punishments, but I don't remember ANYTHING they tried to simply "brush off".

    You also missed the point of my "ticket" analogy...had nothing to do with NOT paying the citations, it had to do with simply ignoring the broken law by paying an inconsequential citation and learning nothing from it. I hate continuing to have to use analogies but it seems this is just flying over your head...but if you have a child, and the child was told not to go into the cookie jar but does it anyways...they are breaking the rules whether they get a cookie or not...by your logic, if they don't get a cookie out of the jar, but are caught in the act, they shouldn't be punished for ignoring the rules, because they didn't get a cookie.

    I don't understand how this is a proper result to you.
    I really think we've been around this mountain a time or two already with this guy. SMH.

    Richard Nixon ended up resigning the presidency because of the cheating scandal - and the subsequent cover up of the absolutely unnecessary Watergate break-in - all to defeat George McGovern - despite the fact that he would easily have defeated him without the need to cheat or break the law.
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    I really think we've been around this mountain a time or two already with this guy. SMH.

    Richard Nixon ended up resigning the presidency because of the cheating scandal - and the subsequent cover up of the absolutely unnecessary Watergate break-in - all to defeat George McGovern - despite the fact that he would easily have defeated him without the need to cheat or break the law.
    Yeah, but you know, since he's here, might as well try and get him to either A.) Figure out the logic that people are trying to instill on him, or B.) Continue to respond in the fashion we've grown accustomed to and get some laughs out of it.
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    Who's Nixon???

    (Typed in sarcasm font...)

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    Dante Fowler goes down today with an apparent MAJOR knee injury...sucks for the Jags, but makes me glad the Falcons went with Beasley vs. Fowler (since Fowler was the Falcons favored first round pick for a WHILE).

    Jaguars' Dante Fowler Jr. suffers apparent knee injury - NFL - SI.com
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    Dante Fowler goes down today with an apparent MAJOR knee injury...sucks for the Jags, but makes me glad the Falcons went with Beasley vs. Fowler (since Fowler was the Falcons favored first round pick for a WHILE).

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    That's gonna leave a mark. Wow.
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    An unsigned first-round draft pick should never step on the field until they get a contract signed. That blows, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanHRCC View Post
    Yeah, but you know, since he's here, might as well try and get him to either A.) Figure out the logic that people are trying to instill on him, or B.) Continue to respond in the fashion we've grown accustomed to and get some laughs out of it.
    Talk like a damn adult. I see what you are saying. But you continue to ignore whatever I say and write your own narrative. Time and again. Wow, you make every thread you in just terrible. It is fun being an old keyboard warrior I suppose? This forum is a joke. Can't even have a freaking civil conversation on a NFL thread. Nope, Sean has to condescend and demean others to make some semblance of a point.

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    Talk like a damn adult. I see what you are saying. But you continue to ignore whatever I say and write your own narrative. Time and again. Wow, you make every thread you in just terrible. It is fun being an old keyboard warrior I suppose? This forum is a joke. Can't even have a freaking civil conversation on a NFL thread. Nope, Sean has to condescend and demean others to make some semblance of a point.

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    Feel better now?

    I made a clear and concise point. Your logic about cheating is just flat out wrong. What else do you want? A pat on the back for coming back from a hiatus? Well here you go. Welcome back A895...glad to see you haven't changed a bit buddy! I hope you stick around for a while, I do enjoy experiencing your posts.

    I'm sorry you think this forum is a joke...but considering you could easily block me so you don't see my meanie pants posts, it must be more than just that.

    Anyways...back to the NFL discussions...looks like Dante Fowler had some good pre-rookie camp contracts in place to protect him and his 1st round income/long term contract with the Jags. I feel terrible for the Jaguars though...that was a major pick up for them and now they won't see him until at least early '16...like Clowney last season.
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    DO NOT make the debate personal. Discuss the topic, NOT the other members posting in the thread.
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    Deflategate... The punishment is in... Brady suspended 4 games, Pats lose 1st round draft pick in 2016..
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    And 4th rounder in 2017
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    The punishment is appropriate, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kch50428 View Post
    Deflategate... The punishment is in... Brady suspended 4 games, Pats lose 1st round draft pick in 2016..
    and a $1M fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Me_D View Post
    The punishment is appropriate, in my opinion.
    I have no problem with the punishment at all. It's on the level of PEDs... and so was the transgression - cheating. It matters not whether the Patriots needed to cheat to beat the Colts. The facts say that they DID cheat, and thereby jeopardized the integrity of the NFL.

    The spygate issue from 2007 also had to have figured into this. In college, it would qualify as "lack of institutional control". In the NFL, it's a pattern of cheating and thumbing their noses at the rulebook.
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    I have no problem with the punishment at all. It's on the level of PEDs... and so was the transgression - cheating. It matters not whether the Patriots needed to cheat to beat the Colts. The facts say that they DID cheat, and thereby jeopardized the integrity of the NFL.
    That's exactly how you have to look at the situation - whether it jeopardizes the "integrity" of the game, and it did. A majority of football fans understand that players "cheat" while playing the game, especially on defense, by it is so common that it's tolerable. Deflating a football in a conference championship game against another popular team when you have a reputation as a rule bender, the perception of that is of something sinister.
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    The Patriots 2015 Super Bowl Championship rings.

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    The Patriots 2015 Super Bowl Championship rings.

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    (Laughing)....that's messed up...
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    I am also guessing that Mr. Kraft will not be getting that apology...

    "If the Wells investigation is not able to definitely determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs, I would expect and hope the league would apologize to our entire team and in particular coach Belichick and Tom Brady for what they have had to endure the last week. I am disappointed in the way the entire matter has been handled and reported upon," Kraft said.

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    Having my annual NFL withdrawals.

    Cannot wait for training camps to start already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakingKayfabe View Post
    What a dumba$$...it'd be like an opera singer taking a flaming shot and burning her mouth and throat. The guy gets paid an incredible amount of money because of what his hands and feet can do...why would he even consider such an idiotic thing? I mean sure, everyone sets off fireworks and many times they get hurt...but not everyone has a $60mill contract that screams "Watch other people do it" like he does, lol!
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