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Open Carrier is a temporary thing. 3G - absolutely. Again, not Enterprise so not QUiTE so important, but this is June 07. They should have it. 3rd party - there is some 3rd party support. Again, would have been more important in the Enterprise space. Replaceable battery. I don't use a...

Welcome to this month Surur. iPhone will allow some 3rd party apps.

I know you meant that in an almost offensive and antagonistic fashion, but it's really not that far from the truth. As I iterated in another post, most of us here ARE experts, whether we like it or not. Or at the very least we'd be ADVANCED users. We're not the mainstream. WM is still in...

Just thought I should go on record and say that I'm not "marcol". Glad to know I'm not the ONLY one that picked up on the "iPhone <> Enterprise" space. That's not me ramping my own opinion. :)

The Internet really refers to the underlying transport and the Web is the application layer on top. So from that perspective, Steve would be a dumbass to say he literally has the Internet in his pocket and we'd be dumbasses for thinking that he meant it literally (regardless of whether it was...

I suspect that the reason that they haven't, is because the iPhone is a significant superset of the RAZR type devices. So yeah, I was somewhat surprised that they didn't, but I can understand why. It's considerably more expensive than those kinds of devices, but with a much larger feature...

Those are some nice phones. I don't know enough about them to know where they sit in terms of functionality between the iPod style experience and the "drag and drop your MP3 files onto the phone" experience of the old days, but that's my point about granularity. At some point between those...

Not at all. Ask your mother what the difference is between the Internet and the World Wide Web. Broadband proliferation does not (thankfully) require the layman to understand the Internet.

That's my point. Look at the Treo for example. In the Enterprise space it's a fantastic device. It supports full Outlook integration (well, almost). It supports Push email. It has great application support. These are things that are important to the Enterprise space. It's also a...

There are? I noticed you used plural terms. What are 3 phones (RCKR (or whatever it's called) excluded) that have a comparable music experience to the iPhone? How can granularity be a BS defence? The universe is based on chaos and ambiguity.

You could well be right. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I can't teach my cat French.

I'm really not too sure about the widget support. It's a documented assumption on my part. The iPhone is not for me so I haven't spent a HUGE amount of time analysing it. True. I had an Ericsson phone back in 98/99 that played MP3s. Functionally though there's a huge difference in user...

ok yeah, that one's more than a bit sensationalist. I'd take it a step further though and say that the reality is that the vast majority of people really know very little about the Internet so we're really talking about varying levels of incompetence.

WHAT irrefutable proof? No, I registered within the last few weeks to resolve a Treo issue.

Don't be such a hypocrite. One of us read the entire article and was able to understand the message of the article. One of us decided to start with personal insults. Go back and read even the small excerpt of what you quoted. Read these words: So we're taking an article from a third party...

No I'm not sure which explicit statement you're referring to, but it's a fair statement that there has never been an iPod that makes phone calls. While I'm not suggesting that this is what he meant with his "first" statement, it's not an impossible interpretation. The world is not black and...

I think it's a fair term.

Thanks. Compared to you I quite clearly am a Genius. The WSJ wrote the article. Not Apple. Rather than taking snippets out of the article and presenting them out of context to attempt to support your argument, I'd suggest reading the article in its entirety and making some effort to...

Yes, quite clearly it is. Unless you're suggesting that you don't have the ability to think for yourself. Let's take 30 second tour of Apple's iPhone page. Clearly you haven't done this yourself which goes some way to explained how badly you missed the point...

Don't confuse a feature comparison with a target market. The Windows Mobile and Blackberry devices are primarily Enterprise devices. You can look at both the historical marketing and current trends to see that. There are plenty of "consumer" users who use these devices too, but primarily...