1. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Have you looked into the background of the people in BHO's and HRC's inner circle? Can you say with certainty that the people that they associate with and/or have chosen to be a part of their team (work-wise) have a squeaky clean history, never spoken a hurtful word, never had freaky thoughts of women and/or men, aren't or have never been associated with people who were racist or have ever spoken with racial overtones, whether jokingly or not?
    We are all included in this in one way or another. Everyone in this thread and everyone else. Not a damn soul isn't guilty to at least one of these things. People love to not be judged but are quick with the trigger shoot out judgements on others.
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    01-06-2017 08:25 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    We are all included in this in one way or another. Everyone in this thread and everyone else. Not a damn soul isn't guilty to at least one of these things. People love to not be judged but are quick with the trigger shoot out judgements on others.
    No doubt about it...
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    01-06-2017 08:30 PM
  3. Quis89's Avatar
    Honest question, when did Trump say he was going to ignore those that want their voices heard? Seriously. Point me to the quotes where he made those exact words.


    Because, despite me not voting for the man, it's apparent he was elected for the very reason he's speaking up for those who have been silent for a long time now.
    Is there a direct quote I can point you to? No. But reference the quotes I mentioned. As a president of the United States of America (or soon to be) when a minority group reaches out with genuine concerns and does so in a very respectful tone, to respond by insulting their work and demanding an apology is disgusting. If Obama were to do that very thing people wouldn't be happy. He'd be a jerk who is stifling the first amendment right to free speech. But when trump does it "it's not so bad". Demanding an apology for a citizen speaking their concerns respectfully should offend us all. Especially those who point to the freedoms our military fights for. But as with many things that have taken place with trump...this isn't that big of a deal. Because it doesn't affect the majority.

    I don't ever recall Trump saying that he was going to ignore those that want their voices heard, nor was I able to find anything about it. It's probably more lies from the left who are still mad that their criminal wasn't elected.
    Last I checked Hillary has not been convicted of a crime thus she isn't a criminal. If we can assign labels based on accusations then would Trump not be a ****** (person convicted of rape. I guess the term is a bad word?)?

    Of course he isn't...because he hasn't been convicted of such. And I'm sure you wouldn't subscribe to the notion that he is one. So you, and many others, should finally put that to rest. Because the facts are that both Trump and Hillary have been accused of crimes. You don't get to label one and turn a blind eye to the other. (Man...there is that theme again)


    C'mon man, just stop. Don't you dare sit there and downplay the horrific hate crimes committed by those kids on a helpless man and then turn right around and make the election of Mr. Trump a bigger concern. President-elect Trump will be under a microscope and his every move will be dissected. Having said that, there is no way he is going to be the monster that some of you have been led to believe. Have you looked into the background of the people in BHO's and HRC's inner circle? Can you say with certainty that the people that they associate with and/or have chosen to be a part of their team (work-wise) have a squeaky clean history, never spoken a hurtful word, never had freaky thoughts of women and/or men, aren't or have never been associated with people who were racist or have ever spoken with racial overtones, whether jokingly or not? Of course, you can't so don't you dare sit there and broadly pant a negative image of the President-elect and some of the people he has chosen to be a part of his cabinet.
    Let's be careful here not to make assumptions about what I'm saying or how I feel. Nobody is downplaying anything. My blood boiled watching that video. Just like my blood boiled after Dylan Roof. So there is no downplaying horrific acts going on. One can be offended by two or more things simultaneously.

    Huma Abedin was called a terrorist for writing on a site associated with Islamic Terror groups despite having no direct connection with those groups nor writing anything herself. Steve Bannon oversees a website that he calls the "platform for the alt right movement", which has continued to show itself as a white supremacist organization, and you among others don't bat an eye. That's a problem. I don't care how you rationalize it. It's a double standard that many Trump supporters are ok with.

    When Obama was called out for his association with Rev Wright, he disassociated himself from him. Now Rev Wright doesn't like Obama. Obama didn't give him a cabinet position. You can bet your tail if he had there would have been a huge outcry. Trump appoints Bannon, who although may not have said hateful things in public ear provided a platform for these things to be said, and nobody cares. Reoccurring theme here.

    If you're going to sit there and excuse racism, misogyny and xenophobia because everyone knows someone like that or everyone associates with people like that then your a direct part of the problem. You are absolutely right...I have associated with people like that. And I correct them as soon as I hear it. I'm part of a marginalized group and so I for damn sure won't stand idly by and allow anyone to disrespect another group. So yes, if you put people with a history of marginalization in power I absolutely will paint a negative image of you. Because if it weren't for people bold enough to stand up for these things this country would be where it is.

    That mentality is very unfortunate. We as a people should never excuse a behavior because others have exhibited that behavior. R Kelly was one of my favorite singers. Then he peed on a little girl. I no longer purchase R Kelly albums.


    He won an election by listening to the voices of those who feel ignored. The more people learn to accept this the better they will understand.
    I've stated that I understand WHY he won. But he's doing nothing to unite those who feel he isn't listening to them. Again, refer to his Hamilton conversation. Those people, respectfully, asked for his consideration. And he instead chose to disrespect them, their art and demand and apology. Even you, a Trump supporter, should see an issue with that response. Rather than unite, he further divided. Obama says had he had a son he'd look like Trayvon and people cried about him dividing a nation. Trump directly talks down to a diverse cast by insulting their work after they simply ask for representation and all is good. Double standards.

    We are all included in this in one way or another. Everyone in this thread and everyone else. Not a damn soul isn't guilty to at least one of these things. People love to not be judged but are quick with the trigger shoot out judgements on others.
    So we shouldn't strive for better? I made jokes about women in high school. I then grew up, got married and had a daughter. I now see women in a completely different way. Growing up I've traveled and worked and associated with people of all colors and walks of life. I can honestly say I actively work to embrace all walks of life. Bigotry serves no purpose in my life. I would hope that this whole "everyone is guilty of that stuff so it's ok" mentality finds its way out the door soon. Otherwise this country will never progress and that whole "MAGA" nonsense will only apply to certain individuals and not the whole.

    My sons school teaches them that "character counts". You're all reaffirming that in actuality it doesn't. When the majority is guilty of poor character we shouldn't call for better.

    That's a sad position to hold.
    01-06-2017 11:10 PM
  4. ItnStln511's Avatar
    Last I checked Hillary has not been convicted of a crime thus she isn't a criminal. If we can assign labels based on accusations then would Trump not be a ******?

    Of course he isn't...because he hasn't been convicted of such. And I'm sure you wouldn't subscribe to the notion that he is one. So you, and many others, should finally put that to rest. Because the facts are that both Trump and Hillary have been accused of crimes. You don't get to label one and turn a blind eye to the other.
    Trump never did something that got people killed nor did he mishandle classified information, get your facts straight. She is a criminal, unlike Trump. Im sorry you can't accept the fact that Trump won and the criminal he ran against lost.

    Steve Bannon oversees a website that he calls the "platform for the alt right movement", which has continued to show itself as a white supremacist organization, and you among others don't bat an eye. That's a problem. I don't care how you rationalize it. It's a double standard that many Trump supporters are ok with.
    You do know that white supremacy is a liberal thing, not conservative right? Apparently you listen to the liberal media too much...
    01-06-2017 11:19 PM
  5. Quis89's Avatar
    Trump never did something that got people killed nor did he mishandle classified information, get your facts straight. She is a criminal, unlike Trump. Im sorry you can't accept the fact that Trump won and the criminal he ran against lost.
    You do realize that here in America we've got the right to due process and a fair trial, correct? Thus you cannot call someone a criminal who hasn't been tried and convicted of a crime. Therefore she technically cannot be a criminal.

    But if we are allowed to label someone based on accusations then Trump is certainly a r@pist, right?

    Mishandling classified information wasn't a crime at the time she was serving. Please research before you recommend someone else getting their facts straight. The law was changed after she left the White House. Which is partly why the fbi ruled that although she broke no laws she was extremely careless. This was determined after a FEDERAL INVESTIGATION.

    Based on your twisted logic, any president who engages in war is a murderer, right? That's "doing something that got people killed". Give it a rest. The only crime Hillary is guilty of is running that child sex ring out of a pizza shop. And that upstanding citizen busted in and put a stop to that.

    I've accepted that Trump has won. Since he won the election was obviously fair. It was only rigged when he thought he was losing. Remember when he called for the abolishment of the electoral college after Obama won in 2012? Lol. How soon we all forget.
    01-06-2017 11:29 PM
  6. ItnStln511's Avatar
    You do realize that here in America we've got the right to due process and a fair trial, correct? Thus you cannot call someone a criminal who hasn't been tried and convicted of a crime. Therefore she technically cannot be a criminal.

    But if we are allowed to label someone based on accusations then Trump is certainly a r@pist, right?

    Mishandling classified information wasn't a crime at the time she was serving. Please research before you recommend someone else getting their facts straight. The law was changed after she left the White House. Which is partly why the fbi ruled that although she broke no laws she was extremely careless. This was determined after a FEDERAL INVESTIGATION.

    Based on your twisted logic, any president who engages in war is a murderer, right? That's "doing something that got people killed". Give it a rest. The only crime Hillary is guilty of is running that child sex ring out of a pizza shop. And that upstanding citizen busted in and put a stop to that.

    I've accepted that Trump has won. Since he won the election was obviously fair. It was only rigged when he thought he was losing. Remember when he called for the abolishment of the electoral college after Obama won in 2012? Lol. How soon we all forget.
    Your post is full of nonsense that only comes from a liberal such as yourself. She is most definitely a criminal for her negligence leading to people's murder, and her mishandling of classified information.
    I'm pretty certain that it was proven that the people accusing Trump of rape were paid by your people, the liberals.
    Mishandling classified information has been a federal crime since at least 2006 when I got my first security clearance. To say otherwise is untrue. Also she was never in the White house, so that shows what you know!
    There's a difference between a war and what she did. What she did was outright murder, and in no way can be compared to a war. There's no use arguing with you since you're just a liberal who goes with what he's told without backing anything up. You liberals are a special kind of stupid!
    01-06-2017 11:40 PM
  7. Quis89's Avatar
    Your post is full of nonsense that only comes from a liberal such as yourself. She is most definitely a criminal for her negligence leading to people's murder, and her mishandling of classified information.
    I'm pretty certain that it was proven that the people accusing Trump of rape were paid by your people, the liberals.
    Mishandling classified information has been a federal crime since at least 2006 when I got my first security clearance. To say otherwise is untrue. Also she was never in the White house, so that shows what you know!
    There's a difference between a war and what she did. What she did was outright murder, and in no way can be compared to a war. There's no use arguing with you since you're just a liberal who goes with what he's told without backing anything up. You liberals are a special kind of stupid!
    Can you point to a point in my post where I insulted or disrespected you? I'll wait.

    One of us can hold a respectful debate. The other obviously can't.

    Those darn stupid liberals seem to at least be the level headed and respectful ones, no?

    I apologize. It's not the mishandling of information that wasn't illegal. It was her use of a personal email device.

    But that doesn't change the fact that she hasn't been convicted of anything and so she technically can't be a criminal.

    But you're good. Rather than dispute that, hurling insults is the best option. Makes total sense. Trump does similar things.
    01-06-2017 11:46 PM
  8. Quis89's Avatar
    Also she was never in the White house, so that shows what you know!
    Is the US Secretary of State not a White House position? A position appointed to her by then President Obama within his administration?

    Hmmm....
    01-06-2017 11:49 PM
  9. ItnStln511's Avatar
    Can you point to a point in my post where I insulted or disrespected you? I'll wait.

    One of us can hold a respectful debate. The other obviously can't.

    Those darn stupid liberals seem to at least be the level headed and respectful ones, no?

    I apologize. It's not the mishandling of information that wasn't illegal. It was her use of a personal email device.

    But that doesn't change the fact that she hasn't been convicted of anything and so she technically can't be a criminal.

    But you're good. Rather than dispute that, hurling insults is the best option. Makes total sense. Trump does similar things.
    Her using a personal email device is mishandling classified information, and has been since at least 2006. There's been people discharged from the military for having their government email forwarded to their personal email address, which is essentially what she did, but she bypassed the government email. There is no denying that she's a criminal. You're just upset that your candidate was beat by Trump, so go spread more bull**** like you stupid liberals always do!
    01-06-2017 11:51 PM
  10. ItnStln511's Avatar
    Is the US Secretary of State not a White House position? A position appointed to her by then President Obama within his administration?

    Hmmm....
    The Secretary of State isn't assigned to the White House, they're assigned to the Truman Building, hmmm. Someone didn't pay attention during their free school I see. Go spread more bull**** lies like you liberals are so good at, yet you can't take facts, just like hillary
    01-06-2017 11:54 PM
  11. Quis89's Avatar
    Her using a personal email device is mishandling classified information, and has been since at least 2006. There's been people discharged from the military for having their government email forwarded to their personal email address, which is essentially what she did, but she bypassed the government email. There is no denying that she's a criminal. You're just upset that your candidate was beat by Trump, so go spread more bull**** like you stupid liberals always do!
    http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpo...ls-and-the-law

    You're still tossing insults, eh? Michelle Obama said "When they go low, we go high"

    That quote always seemed corny to me when she said it. But I guess it really is applicable.
    01-06-2017 11:56 PM
  12. Quis89's Avatar
    The Secretary of State isn't assigned to the White House, they're assigned to the Truman Building, hmmm. Someone didn't pay attention during their free school I see. Go spread more bull**** lies like you liberals are so good at, yet you can't take facts, just like hillary
    Ok we can quip over technicalities. You can have that point.

    Why are you so angry? Shouldn't I be the angry one because my criminal lost?
    01-06-2017 11:58 PM
  13. Quis89's Avatar
    The Secretary of State isn't assigned to the White House, they're assigned to the Truman Building, hmmm. Someone didn't pay attention during their free school I see. Go spread more bull**** lies like you liberals are so good at, yet you can't take facts, just like hillary
    For your reference...

    Be polite. Keep your language clean and appropriate. Refrain from personal attacks or insults to other members. Constructive discussions, debates and free speech are encouraged in the forums. However, it is not constructive to criticize or insult another member because their opinion differs from yours. Discrimination or harassment is not tolerated. Be courteous to other forum members regardless of their race, age, nationality, country of residence, ethnic origin, sex, sexual orientation, political views or religious beliefs.
    You broke that almost immediately. Is respectful discourse not something associated with your brand of "non-liberal"?
    01-07-2017 12:01 AM
  14. SprSynJn's Avatar
    Is there a direct quote I can point you to? No. But reference the quotes I mentioned. As a president of the United States of America (or soon to be) when a minority group reaches out with genuine concerns and does so in a very respectful tone, to respond by insulting their work and demanding an apology is disgusting. If Obama were to do that very thing people wouldn't be happy. He'd be a jerk who is stifling the first amendment right to free speech. But when trump does it "it's not so bad". Demanding an apology for a citizen speaking their concerns respectfully should offend us all. Especially those who point to the freedoms our military fights for. But as with many things that have taken place with trump...this isn't that big of a deal. Because it doesn't affect the majority.
    You keep grabbing at straws to make a feeble point bro. You also seem to have a knack for clinging to your insults of that man without any backing whatsoever.

    I'm not saying he isn't a despicable man, because he certainly comes across that way. But it's apparent to me you use insults and analogies to paint this man in a way that suits your interests, much like those people did. It's a battle strategy for you guys isn't it? You despise someone, so you call them every word in the book which creates something for you to attack to fill a void in order that you may sleep at night. The man hasn't even started his job yet for Christ's sake.

    Now that's disgusting.
    01-07-2017 12:08 AM
  15. Quis89's Avatar
    You keep grabbing at straws to make a feeble point bro. You also seem to have a knack for clinging to your insults of that man without any backing whatsoever.

    I'm not saying he isn't a despicable man, because he certainly comes across that way. But it's apparent to me you use insults and analogies to paint this man in a way that suits your interests, much like those people did. It's a battle strategy for you guys isn't it? You despise someone, so you call them every word in the book which creates something for you to attack to fill a void in order that you may sleep at night. The man hasn't even started his job yet for Christ's sake.

    Now that's disgusting.
    You called him despicable. I simply said that he isn't listening to the concerns of all citizens. I then gave you an example of that. You're choosing not to acknowledge that. I can't help that. I've given you an example for everything I've accused him of. I've assigned no label where I can't explain why I feel that way. In fact, I don't believe I've called him anything directly.
    01-07-2017 12:13 AM
  16. Quis89's Avatar

    You do know that white supremacy is a liberal thing, not conservative right? Apparently you listen to the liberal media too much...
    Throughout this discussion I've never used the terms "liberal" and "conservative". So I'm not sure the relevancy of this statement and what that has to do with my point. Unless it's another attempt to insult...
    01-07-2017 12:17 AM
  17. ItnStln511's Avatar
    For your reference...



    You broke that almost immediately. Is respectful discourse not something associated with your brand of "non-liberal"?
    Your posting that was unnecessary as I've read that and retained it. Not once did I break it.
    01-07-2017 12:23 AM
  18. ItnStln511's Avatar
    You keep grabbing at straws to make a feeble point bro. You also seem to have a knack for clinging to your insults of that man without any backing whatsoever.

    I'm not saying he isn't a despicable man, because he certainly comes across that way. But it's apparent to me you use insults and analogies to paint this man in a way that suits your interests, much like those people did. It's a battle strategy for you guys isn't it? You despise someone, so you call them every word in the book which creates something for you to attack to fill a void in order that you may sleep at night. The man hasn't even started his job yet for Christ's sake.

    Now that's disgusting.
    That's the way they operate, because that's what they're told to do by the liberal media!
    Also, every rich person I've ever met has come across as despicable. It seems like the more money they have, the more despicable they come across.
    01-07-2017 12:25 AM
  19. Quis89's Avatar
    Your posting that was unnecessary as I've read that and retained it. Not once did I break it.
    I'm a "stupid liberal" spreading bull****. That is literally breaking the first two sentences...

    Is this what the kids call "trolling"?
    01-07-2017 12:26 AM
  20. ItnStln511's Avatar
    Throughout this discussion I've never used the terms "liberal" and "conservative". So I'm not sure the relevancy of this statement and what that has to do with my point. Unless it's another attempt to insult...
    Way to ignore what I posted. Go ahead and throw a "red herring" up there, because that's the way you liberals operate. I swear liberalism should be in the DSM-6 when they release it.
    01-07-2017 12:27 AM
  21. SprSynJn's Avatar
    You called him despicable. I simply said that he isn't listening to the concerns of all citizens. I then gave you an example of that. You're choosing not to acknowledge that. I can't help that. I've given you an example for everything I've accused him of. I've assigned no label where I can't explain why I feel that way. In fact, I don't believe I've called him anything directly.
    You haven't "simply" said anything. You are doing everything in your vocabulary to rain on that man's parade. And, I might add, you aren't fooling anyone here doing so. Your examples are nothing more than false accusations and childish name calling. I'm sorry, but your arguments, however fallible, are not working in your favor.
    01-07-2017 12:27 AM
  22. ItnStln511's Avatar
    You called him despicable. I simply said that he isn't listening to the concerns of all citizens. I then gave you an example of that. You're choosing not to acknowledge that. I can't help that. I've given you an example for everything I've accused him of. I've assigned no label where I can't explain why I feel that way. In fact, I don't believe I've called him anything directly.
    Yeah because hillary the criminal listened so well. How many people died in Benghazi because she failed to listen?
    01-07-2017 12:29 AM
  23. Quis89's Avatar
    You haven't "simply" said anything. You are doing everything in your vocabulary to rain on that man's parade. And, I might add, you aren't fooling anyone here doing so. Your examples are nothing more than false accusations and childish name calling. I'm sorry, but your arguments, however fallible, are not working in your favor.
    Is there a camera somewhere? Am I being punked? What is happening right now?

    Childish name calling? Is this real? Where did I childishly call anyone a name? False accusations? I literally pointed you to a situation where a group of people asked for Trumps commitment to them and they were instead disrespected and demanded to apologize. That is exactly how a group of people develop feelings of neglect.

    Seriously...what is happening right now?! Lmao.

    Please dissect that response. Point me to the childish name calling first please. Others in here are doing exactly that yet there is no finger pointing their way.
    01-07-2017 12:32 AM
  24. Quis89's Avatar
    Yeah because hillary the criminal listened so well. How many people died in Benghazi because she failed to listen?
    Lol. I'm done with you, my man. Have a good night. Us liberals are good at running away from a "respectful" debate...
    01-07-2017 12:33 AM
  25. ItnStln511's Avatar
    Lol. I'm done with you, my man. Have a good night. Us liberals are good at running away from a "respectful" debate...
    I'm not your "man," and for you to call me such is offensive.
    01-07-2017 12:35 AM
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