Thoughts on Senate CIA report

[pappy53]

I wouldn't torture people, period. What I find extremely disturbing is how you justify it. Aggression breeds aggression.

So you don't value your family's lives that much? Unbelievable.
I justify protecting American lives.


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[pappy53]

I think again the question isn't whether we should do whatever we need to, the question was is torture effective in getting information. The problem is someone being tortured is trying to figure out what you want to hear in order to give you that information as opposed to telling you the truth. It has been shown that torture is not effective to getting quality information that's the issue. That's what the report was trying to show that no credible info actually came from the torture.

That has not been shown at all. I am not going to repeat it, but Sean's reply is spot on.
Intel from those interrogations is still being used today, so there goes your "no credible info" theory.


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[the_tech_eater]

What do you feel is the most efficient way of getting information out of captive terrorists then? What would be your go to method of doing such?

Probably getting the ACLU and NAACP to sue them


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[the_tech_eater]

Does the FBI, ATF, Secret Service, or your local Police do what the CIA did to get information? There's a 101 other ways to get the information you need.

You ought to ask Sean what his occupation is.


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[mmcfly23]

I wouldn't torture people, period. What I find extremely disturbing is how you justify it. Aggression breeds aggression.

The simple fact that people don't get this is mind blowing. The CIA isn't solving terrorism (imo), heck some would/could argue that they're creating more of it. I'm not surprised or shocked at all by any of this.


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[pappy53]

The simple fact that people don't get this is mind blowing. The CIA isn't solving terrorism (imo), heck some would/could argue that they're creating more of it. I'm not surprised or shocked at all by any of this.


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They are not trying to solve it. They are trying to fight it and possibly stay ahead of it with some good intel. The fact that you don't get this is mind-blowing.


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[mmcfly23]

They are not trying to solve it. They are trying to fight it and possibly stay ahead of it with some good intel. The fact that you don't get this is mind-blowing.


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Wouldn't you want to solve it (or at least figure out the root of the problem) vs spending billions of dollars or even worst losing lives trying to fight it? America plays/played a large role in creating the amount of hate that we receive not only from an international standpoint but domestically as well.


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[Ledsteplin]

Again, the assumption is that torturing means you'll get credible and useful information. The studies show he opposite, most anyone under torture will say whatever you want them to say.

Moreover, you are assuming hey are guilty , it's a very slippery slope.

Again, this smacks of politics. There is evidence and proof that mild torture (waterboarding) actually did aid in the eventual locating and killing of Bin Laden. The democratic report is a farce and politically motivated. Torture does work. That said, we're not talking cutting fingers off or cigarette burns.


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[pappy53]

Man, talk about a hypocritical President!
On enhanced interrogation- "this is not who we are", and says this while killing innocent civilians with drones (and even "terrorists" that haven't been verified of wrongdoing).


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[acadia11]

Man, talk about a hypocritical President!
On enhanced interrogation- "this is not who we are", and says this while killing innocent civilians with drones (and even "terrorists" that haven't been verified of wrongdoing).


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It's one thing to inadvertently kill civilians, it's another thing to purposely torture them. The analogy is not congruent.

 

[acadia11]

Again, this smacks of politics. There is evidence and proof that mild torture (waterboarding) actually did aid in the eventual locating and killing of Bin Laden. The democratic report is a farce and politically motivated. Torture does work. That said, we're not talking cutting fingers off or cigarette burns.


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Can you point to this evidence? Also, what is mild water boarding???

I fine this humorous because who is politically gaining by this report being released? Certainly not the WH who had been accused of not being transparent on the issue and continueing the policies, so, what democratic gain is there? I personally am not for or against I'm just pointing out that evidence shows torture is not useful it getting accurate information.

 

[palandri]

..Torture does work. That said, we're not talking cutting fingers off or cigarette burns.


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No cutting off of fingers or cigarette burns that we know of, rather death from hypothermia.

 

[palandri]

So you don't value your family's lives that much? Unbelievable.
I justify protecting American lives.


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Of course I value my family's lives.

Let's face it, my idea of what is morally right and your idea of what is morally right are the antithesis of each other.

Now if you think I am sympathetic to the jihadists cutting heads off, I am not. All they are doing is twisting Islam around to justify their brutality, just like others have twisted their religion around to justify their brutality throughout history.

 

[pappy53]

It's one thing to inadvertently kill civilians, it's another thing to purposely torture them. The analogy is not congruent.

It is still hypocritical. This report is nothing but politics at work.


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[pappy53]

Of course I value my family's lives.

But you wouldn't save them with enhanced interrogation, if it was the only way? I am just trying to understand your thinking.

 

[acadia11]

It is still hypocritical. This report is nothing but politics at work.


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Politics for who's gain??? Please break down your conspiracy

 

[pappy53]

Politics for who's gain??? Please break down your conspiracy

This was done during a Republican administration, so the Dems are using it to throw them in a bad light. They are desperate for anything before the Republicans take control of the Senate.
I do find it strange that Dianne Feinstein approved of the interrogations when they were going on.

 

[acadia11]

This was done during a Republican administration, so the Dems are using it to throw them in a bad light. They are desperate for anything before the Republicans take control of the Senate.
I do find it strange that Dianne Feinstein approved of the interrogations when they were going on.

I guess you haven't heard the lambasting Obama had gotten for supposedly covering up th report for 6 years, and continuing many of the same practices, and the request for him to purge the CIA for his administration especially Brennan. I think like most of the topics you claim to have a pulse on have done very little reading on the subject.

 

[pappy53]

I guess you haven't heard the lambasting Obama had gotten for supposedly covering up th report for 6 years, and continuing many of the same practices, and the request for him to purge the CIA for his administration especially Brennan. I think like most of the topics you claim to have a pulse on have done very little reading on the subject.

Obama banned those practices when he took office.

 

[hydrogen3]

Obama banned those practices when he took office.

Why do you bother with this troll? Ignore her and she will go away..