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    Quote Originally Posted by acadia11 View Post
    And some people like to pretend miraculously because they say its so race doesn't exist, the fact that you have to so adamantly profess how by your infinite wisdom and non-existent evidence that race isn't an issue.
    I never ONCE said race wasn't an issue. The comment was made "anyone that was in new orleans will tell you they blame bush"...and I provided evidence that this wasn't true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanHRCC View Post
    The person I referenced IS black. And he's from New Orleans. He doesn't say it, rendering your comment inaccurate. You said it yourself "at least from the black people I have talked to...", you've apparently not talked to all of them, so why lump all of them together? They obviously don't ALL have the same sentiment.

    That's like me saying "Black people hate white people.", and then someone saying "That's not true, I'm black and don't hate white people." and me retorting "Well, the black people I know hate white people."
    Anecdote for anecdote I suppose.
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    Anecdote for anecdote I suppose.
    No, you were flat out wrong.
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    No, you were flat out wrong.
    In a survey conducted of 680 evacuees taken to various shelters in the Houston area, a vast number of respondents, a full 70%, faulted President George W. Bush and the Federal Government for their handling of the problem, while 58% and 53% blamed Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin respectively. Sixty eight percent felt the response would have been quicker if those trapped had been white and wealthier and 61% indicated that they felt the government did not care about them. Ninety-three percent of the respondents were African-Americans.
    http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Kat...al-2606416.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrogen3 View Post
    You are correct. Majority of the people can not find work.. Thanks to Democratic policies.....
    This is a complete myth. The way unemployment has been calculated is the same , for almost 100 years, all of sudden now the government must be lying. Please stop do you hear yourselves, again, it goes back to my original argument. Obama must be mistrusted instead of just admitting the guy has done a damn good job... It must be a lie.

    The job situation in America has improved dramatically from the time he took office. And if people can't find jobs now it's because they sure as h.... Must just be lazy because the complaint now by employers is they have more jobs than qualified candidates.


    So let's just stop the BS. The guy has done well here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Septembersrain View Post
    I think people can find jobs, only problem is the quality. Sure you'll take a massive pay cut, but you'll have a job.

    Guess for me, I always live in a way that's less than what I make. Just in case I go under, I could still scrimp by.
    Have you had to take a massive pay cut. I keep hearing about some imaginary person that seems to be no one here???
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    So this just proves my point further...70% is not 100%. But read into those numbers a bit, they combined those who blamed Bush AND the federal government together...the "administration"...curious what numbers you'd be looking at broke down between those who just blame the government (probably much higher) and those who specifically blame Bush himself. People tend to blame the government for pretty much everything...everywhere...at any time.

    Also, where did your quote come from? Didn't appear to be in the article you quoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanHRCC View Post
    So this just proves my point further...70% is not 100%. But read into those numbers a bit, they combined those who blamed Bush AND the federal government together...the "administration"...curious what numbers you'd be looking at broke down between those who just blame the government (probably much higher) and those who specifically blame Bush himself.

    Also, where did your quote come from? Didn't appear to be in the article you quoted.
    The stats come from the article, the entirety if he quote comes from Wikipedia forgot to source it.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criti...ricane_Katrina
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    The stats come from the article, the entirety if he quote comes from Wikipedia forgot to source it.

    Criticism of government response to Hurricane Katrina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    So your own article proves my point...70% of the surveyed reported they blamed either Bush or the Government in general (no break down given in either source). Given the total number of effected people, that is less than 30% of those who went through hurricane Katrina IN New Orleans.

    So of a relatively small sample size of people, just under 3/4th's of them blamed the government or Bush.

    Your original comment was inaccurate...which was my only point. My friend who I cited earlier, certainly DOES blame the government for the slow response (and he worked for/with them before, during and after the hurricane).
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    So your own article proves my point...70% of the surveyed reported they blamed either Bush or the Government in general (no break down given in either source). Given the total number of effected people, that is less than 30% of those who went through hurricane Katrina IN New Orleans.

    So of a relatively small sample size of people, just under 3/4th's of them blamed the government or Bush.

    Your comment was inaccurate...which was my only point. My friend who I cited earlier, certainly DOES blame the government for the slow response (and he worked for/with them before, during and after the hurricane).
    Hundreds of people blame Bush and you dismiss it? That is how a poll works, you take a sample.
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    Hundreds of people blame Bush and you dismiss it? That is how a poll works, you take a sample.
    I never said anything about dismissing it...you apparently have comprehension issues. I said your original comment was 100% inaccurate...go back and read it if you've forgotten what you actually said.

    And that poll didn't say hundreds of people blame Bush...that poll said hundreds of people blame the Bush administration or the federal government, and did not give a break down of any specific numbers who blame any one particular person.

    I'm just giving you facts (once again) here kiddo. I'm sure a lot of people do blame Bush specifically, but that poll didn't say that. Also, your original comment that said ALL people who went through Katrina in New Orleans blame Bush was absolutely and completely inaccurate...which was my primary point that you continue to miss (or just don't want to admit to understanding).

    For the record, so you can reflect on your own words, here is your original (inaccurate) comment:

    I am not blaming anyone, but anyone who was in New Orleans at the time will tell you they blame Bush for such a slow response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanHRCC View Post
    I never said anything about dismissing it...you apparently have comprehension issues. I said your original comment was 100% inaccurate...go back and read it if you've forgotten what you actually said.

    And that poll didn't say hundreds of people blame Bush...that poll said hundreds of people blame the Bush administration or the federal government, and did not give a break down of any specific numbers who blame any one particular person.

    I'm just giving you facts (once again) here kiddo. I'm sure a lot of people do blame Bush specifically, but that poll didn't say that. Also, your original comment that said ALL people who went through Katrina in New Orleans blame Bush was absolutely and completely inaccurate...which was my primary point that you continue to miss (or just don't want to admit to understanding).
    I didn't say ALL, I said ask anyone, and according to the poll there are hundreds of people who blame Bush and or the government in some way. I may have been broad with the statement but it isn't unfounded, a predominantly black urban poor area with with late support in a natural disaster does bring questions.

    Overall though FEMA did a terrible job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A895 View Post
    I didn't say ALL, I said ask anyone, and according to the poll there are hundreds of people who blame Bush and or the government in some way. I may have been broad with the statement but it isn't unfounded, a predominantly black urban poor area with with late support in a natural disaster does bring questions.

    Overall though FEMA did a terrible job.
    Anyone = All people (just like Everyone = All people). If you meant "a lot" of people, or even "most" people...you should have said it. I could only retort to your own words.

    I agree, it certainly should have and DID bring questions...enough to where they completely overhauled FEMA after the fact. Lots of people, including FEMA, local government and the citizens themselves did a terrible job during that disaster, but at the end of the day, New Orleans was rebuilt, and they have improved their systems across the spectrum of response to natural disasters.

    As far as your comment, it's not my fault you were generically broad with your statement...I responded to it and you decided to challenge me on such. I was right, as admitted by your above comment saying you were generalizing the actual facts.
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    New Orleans was a predominantly black area, the response to that crisis was horrendously slow, that many came to the conclusions George Bush did not care for the black inhabitants.
    I read the thread title and I don't understand how you got to this point.

    Why must you turn subjects into this? If you want to discuss racial equality then why not start a thread on it so you don't derail from the topic at hand?

    Note: I edited the thread title as it sounded like a sentence the Iron Sheik would make.
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    I read the thread title and I don't understand how you got to this point.

    Why must you turn subjects into this? If you want to discuss racial equality then why not start a thread on it so you don't derail from the topic at hand?

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    We have a president who is the leader of consuming civilization and his programs are after this nations wealth where ever it is found, your pocket, or in corporate bank accounts, he considers your wealth his, to do with as he pleases. Washington has become like a bunch of Killer Bees ... a "Clear and Present Danger" to the American People ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrogen3 View Post
    We have a president who is the leader of consuming civilization and his programs are after this nations wealth where ever it is found, your pocket, or in corporate bank accounts, he considers your wealth his, to do with as he pleases. Washington has become like a bunch of Killer Bees ... a "Clear and Present Danger" to the American People ...
    As others have said you are heavy on the rhetoric.
    I see the struggles of all Americans as all of our responsibility. ACA protects all of us against corporate interest. The party spewing that rhetoric cares only for corporations, money. How so many have let themselves be persuaded that all of our problems are because of the president is astounding.

    there is tremendous inequality in this country. There are some groups worse off then others. This is all of our responsibility it's not the government coming for our money.

    President Obama will, I think be remembered (back on topic) among other things good and bad for getting healthcare passed despite the opposition.

    If you draw a line between the groups represented by our policies and the groups not represented, I would bet that you would guess incorrectly about which side of the line you should be standing on.

    Any time an entity can assert power over others and I can fight it, I'll take that side any day especially when it's in the interests of all Americans.

    Clinton tried to get this through but couldn't. I can't think of any other example as big as this one since the 60s where 1 President has helped so many against corporations that had been squeezing all of us out of what we had.

    There have been other small wins but nothing this big. Unfortunately in the last 30 years there have been some really horrific power swings in the wrong direction - labor unions, corporations as people , civil liberties on and on.

    It doesn't bother me that someone is critical of the president. It really bothers me that people don't realize how few people are on one side of that line that does not have our interests at heart.

    Cheers.


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    I read the thread title and I don't understand how you got to this point.

    Why must you turn subjects into this? If you want to discuss racial equality then why not start a thread on it so you don't derail from the topic at hand?

    Note: I edited the thread title as it sounded like a sentence the Iron Sheik would make.
    If you follow the thread this derived from a conversation about Bush. I'm sorry if a polticial discussion glosses over several topics.
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    If you follow the thread this derived from a conversation about Bush. I'm sorry if a polticial discussion glosses over several topics.
    You make every topic about race. Start a new topic and discuss your issues there...


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    You make every topic about race. Start a new topic and discuss your issues there...


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    I bet $5 that if I started a thread dealing with race, it would wither get closed or ignored or someone will insult me in some way. If it was Android Central though we might be able to have decent debate.
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    I bet $5 that if I started a thread dealing with race, it would wither get closed or ignored or someone will insult me in some way. If it was Android Central though we might be able to have decent debate.
    Would be no different that it is now. Why don't you give it a try..

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    You make every topic about race. Start a new topic and discuss your issues there...


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    3 threads on it already is enough. As OPs we should rename threads that get forked.


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    I bet $5 that if I started a thread dealing with race, it would wither get closed or ignored or someone will insult me in some way. If it was Android Central though we might be able to have decent debate.
    Looks like one of your threads at AC just got closed too...


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    Looks like one of your threads at AC just got closed too...


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    Lol! He does do a lot of race-baiting.


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