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    Default Why is the climate change debate a political one in the United States?

    I don't get it...... why? Isn't it about science?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofoxtrot View Post
    I don't get it...... why? Isn't it about science?
    Because the political parties that run the government approve and disapprove the decisions made to either impact the earth positively and negatively.
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    What science? The mean temperature of the planet has not risen in 18 years. Experts are fearing a "crisis of credibility". In other news, Al Gore continues to preach this lie, get rich, and continue to burn fossil fuel in direct opposition to the tenets of the "gospel" that he is preaching. Al Gore is just another hypocrite.

    'Where's The Global Warming?' Expert Says Public Are Growing Skeptical Of Climate Change - Fox Nation
    Prison Planet.com » ‘Where’s the global warming?’ Expert says public are growing sceptical of climate change
    The great global warming collapse - The Globe and Mail
    Global warming is not a crisis
    The Crisis of Fake Global Warming « The Burning Platform

    Shall I continue?
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    Because religious fanatics don't believe in science. They believe the earth is 2,000 old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HankAZ View Post
    What science? The mean temperature of the planet has not risen in 18 years. Experts are fearing a "crisis of credibility". In other news, Al Gore continues to preach this lie, get rich, and continue to burn fossil fuel in direct opposition to the tenets of the "gospel" that he is preaching. Al Gore is just another hypocrite.

    'Where's The Global Warming?' Expert Says Public Are Growing Skeptical Of Climate Change - Fox Nation
    Prison Planet.com » ‘Where’s the global warming?’ Expert says public are growing sceptical of climate change
    The great global warming collapse - The Globe and Mail
    Global warming is not a crisis
    The Crisis of Fake Global Warming « The Burning Platform

    Shall I continue?
    Wow... Fox Nation, Prisonplanet, The Globe and Mail, Ukessays, The Burning Platform.

    Bastions of truth.

    I will take your "sources" and raise you with.... oh... lets try NASA.

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    As far as Al Gore getting rich..... when it comes to $$$$$$$ which figure is higher? The money Gore stands to make or the money oil companies stand to lose?

    I will agree money is the issue...... but Oil > Gore.
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    Default Re: Why is the climate change debate a political one in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by kilofoxtrot View Post
    Wow... Fox Nation, Prisonplanet, The Globe and Mail, Ukessays, The Burning Platform.

    Bastions of truth.

    I will take your "sources" and raise you with.... oh... lets try NASA.

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    As far as Al Gore getting rich..... when it comes to $$$$$$$ which figure is higher? The money Gore stands to make or the money oil companies stand to lose?

    I will agree money is the issue...... but Oil > Gore.
    Yeah, I'll take the word of NASA over those other "publications."
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    NASA? Lol nothing but political propaganda.......


    global warming is a scare tactic being used to manipulate the population
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    Default Re: Why is the climate change debate a political one in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by kilofoxtrot View Post
    Wow... Fox Nation, Prisonplanet, The Globe and Mail, Ukessays, The Burning Platform.

    Bastions of truth.

    I will take your "sources" and raise you with.... oh... lets try NASA.

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    As far as Al Gore getting rich..... when it comes to $$$$$$$ which figure is higher? The money Gore stands to make or the money oil companies stand to lose?

    I will agree money is the issue...... but Oil > Gore.
    You’re as entitled to your opinion as I am mine - even if yours is 100% false. I’ve stated my opinion, and have seen nothing in the "scientific" propaganda to convince me that I am incorrect.

    Flame on. I’m out.
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    Man Made Global Warming is a complete SCAM! The liberal media, left-wing politicians, rabid socialists and nutty environmentalists want us to believe that humans have the ability to go up against the power of Mother Nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrogen3 View Post
    NASA? Lol nothing but political propaganda.......


    “global warming” is a scare tactic being used to manipulate the population
    Tabacco, DDT, CFCs.......... yep.. all political propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrogen3 View Post
    Man Made Global Warming is a complete SCAM! The liberal media, left-wing politicians, rabid socialists and nutty environmentalists want us to believe that humans have the ability to go up against the power of Mother Nature.
    ... you are right, and 911 was an inside job.
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    Because religious fanatics don't believe in science. They believe the earth is 2,000 old.
    1. Define "religious fanatics"
    2. What about those who believe certain things in regard to science and certain things in regard to religion, but view the climate change rhetoric as a bunch of crock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofoxtrot View Post
    ... you are right, and 911 was an inside job.
    I thought this topic was about global warming and not conspiracy theories?

    Here is one for you...Why do Chinese skeptics see global warming as US conspiracy?

    ''Global warming is a bogus proposition,'' says Zhang Musheng, one of China's most influential intellectuals and a close adviser to a powerful and hawkish general in the People's Liberation Army, Liu Yuan.


    Obama and Gore’s Global Warming Conspiracy Revealed


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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrogen3 View Post
    I thought this topic was about global warming and not conspiracy theories?

    Here is one for you...Why do Chinese skeptics see global warming as US conspiracy?

    ''Global warming is a bogus proposition,'' says Zhang Musheng, one of China's most influential intellectuals and a close adviser to a powerful and hawkish general in the People's Liberation Army, Liu Yuan.


    Obama and Gore’s Global Warming Conspiracy Revealed


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    The same people that are bending you and me over at the gas pump, are the same people you are siding with on global warming.

    "...corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”

    Abraham Lincoln
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    Oil - A good deal of people focus on the money that those who control the oil industry makes. They refuse to see the supply and demand aspect of it. They refuse to acknowledge the benefits that oil has provided for mankind's use. We get angry when the price of gas rises, and accuse the oil companies of taking advantage of the consumer by getting richer off of our dependence of it. Some people have gone out of their way to try and dissuade people from using products made by or is dependent upon oil. Legislation have been passed that have caused certain companies to make changes. There seems to be a push to use what is being touted as "clean energy". Let's say, for the sake of an example, that no one is allowed to use oil / petroleum. What then? Do you not think that there will be those who control our use of products associated with "clean energy". Will those companies not make a fortune off of our dependence of that "clean energy". Do you think that wars will not be fought over it? As I see it, the only thing that will have changed is the wealth shift from oil to "clean energy". We will still have fires causing smoke pollution. We'll still have weapons that could do far more damage than oil could ever do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe'D View Post
    Oil - A good deal of people focus on the money that those who control the oil industry makes. They refuse to see the supply and demand aspect of it. They refuse to acknowledge the benefits that oil had provided for mankind's use. We get angry when the price of gas rises, and accuse the oil companies of taking advantage of the consumer by getting richer off of our dependence of it. Some people have gone out of their way to try an dissuade people from using products made by or dependent on oil. Legislation have been passed that have caused certain companies to make changes. There seems to be a push to use what is being touted as "clean energy". Let's say, for the sake of an example, that no one is allowed to use oil / petroleum. What then? Do you not think that there will be those who control our use of products associated with "clean energy". Will those companies not make a fortune off of our dependence of that "clean energy". Do you think that wars will not be fought over it? As I see it, the only thing that will have changed is the wealth shift from oil to "clean energy". We will still have fires causing smoke pollution. We'll still have weapons that could do far more damage than oil could ever do.
    Companies made CFCs (ozone depletion), DDT (almost wiped out the bald eagle), Tabacco (lung cancer and nicotine addiction). All used "discredit the science, disseminate false information, spread confusion, and promote doubt".

    Yet the oil industry is altruistic???????
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    I work in the oil patch so my opinions are too one sided in this debate
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    Companies made CFCs (ozone depletion), DDT (almost wiped out the bald eagle), Tabacco (lung cancer and nicotine addiction). All used "discredit the science, disseminate false information, spread confusion, and promote doubt".

    Yet the oil industry is altruistic???????
    Diseases and natural disasters have wiped out and continues to wipe out people and animals, and people made/make money afterwards. As for trying to discredit science, is it possible that certain people are trying to spread confusion, disseminate false information to the public as well as discredit naysayers through the use of science?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe'D View Post
    Diseases and natural disasters have wiped out and continues to wipe out people and animals and people made money afterwards. As for trying discredit science, is it possible that certain people are trying to spread confusion, disseminate false information and discredit naysayers through the use of science?
    For what end?
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    For what end?
    Profit.
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    For what end?
    Money and power, like anything else...
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    Because, Capitalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofoxtrot View Post
    Companies made CFCs (ozone depletion), DDT (almost wiped out the bald eagle), Tabacco (lung cancer and nicotine addiction). All used "discredit the science, disseminate false information, spread confusion, and promote doubt".

    Yet the oil industry is altruistic???????
    There is a difference between these things and climate change. For each of these things there was a direct immediate cause that we could observe as a direct result of the introduction of said thing.

    CFCs -> Destroys Ozone.
    DDT -> Bioaccumulates up the food chain. Most visible effect; weakened eggshells of eagles.
    Tabacco -> Causes cancer, smells bad, stains from smoke and tar are visible.

    Climate Change -> The Earth is ~4.5 billion years old. Over the course of this time the plant has undergone many many many climate changes. Entire species have gone extinct many many many times. Planetary forces are bigger and stronger than anything we can ever produce. The make up the atmosphere has changed many times as well. The green house gas effect does exist. But on a planetary scale we really have no idea what could or might happen. We have no way to directly determine if rising green house gases are causing what we are seeing.

    I'm not against conservation or reducing green house gas emissions at all. I am all for it and preserving our planet as best we can. But it really is not as cut and dry as it may seem; IMHO.

    I am but a humble molecular biologist; aka scientist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sting7k View Post
    There is a difference between these things and climate change. For each of these things there was a direct immediate cause that we could observe as a direct result of the introduction of said thing.

    CFCs -> Destroys Ozone.
    DDT -> Bioaccumulates up the food chain. Most visible effect; weakened eggshells of eagles.
    Tabacco -> Causes cancer, smells bad, stains from smoke and tar are visible.

    Climate Change -> The Earth is ~4.5 billion years old. Over the course of this time the plant has undergone many many many climate changes. Entire species have gone extinct many many many times. Planetary forces are bigger and stronger than anything we can ever produce. The make up the atmosphere has changed many times as well. The green house gas effect does exist. But on a planetary scale we really have no idea what could or might happen. We have no way to directly determine if rising green house gases are causing what we are seeing.

    I'm not against conservation or reducing green house gas emissions at all. I am all for it and preserving our planet as best we can. But it really is not as cut and dry as it may seem; IMHO.

    I am but a humble molecular biologist; aka scientist.
    Have you ever been inside a greenhouse???
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