- 06-05-2010, 02:48 PM
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- 06-12-2010, 08:22 AM #2
It's a bit difficult to compare battery life between android and the iphone because of the wide variety of phones, but I do feel like android tends to favor power over battery life. But my droid gets far more battery life vs my 3gs. But I suspect that my iphone constantly searching for a signal didn't help things.
The market for android sucks still. Its still all about the OS.
But android has the clear advantage with service since THEY ARE ON ALL THE MAJOR PROVIDERS....are you listening Apple?
Its difficult to compare, both are good platforms. - 06-13-2010, 03:10 PM
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In the united states yes, but in Canada iPhone OS is available on all of the major carriers and even 2 budget carriers.
- 06-29-2010, 07:59 AM #4
iOS vs Android, is a poor comparison. They are targeted at two completely different sets of people. Coming from my Nexus One over to the iOS, I notice the biggest difference is simplicity. The iOS is simple. The Android OS is more complex. I love both of them. My Nexus One runs circles around my iPhone as far as pure power goes, and the abililty to do, well just about anything I feel like without Jailbreaking. The iPhone on the other hand (which I'm currently using) is keeping me more entertained, yes the APP Store is TONS better, and I dislike Android's very much. I actually spend more time "sideloading" apps on to the Nexus One then in the actual Market. Multi-Tasking on the Nexus One, DEFINITELY a perk, that way you're not launching apps "Fresh" where they have to go through the whole loading, etc. However, this isn't a complete dealbreaker to me either, with no multi-tasking, there is no real need for task managing. I've said this before to multiple people, we're really just entering a MAC vs WINDOWS race all over again.
iPhone 5 16GB, iPad 32GB Wi-fi, Mac Mini(2010)
Twitter - @UhanRodric - 06-29-2010, 02:32 PM #5
Very nice top 10 list, very informative
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- 07-22-2010, 06:29 PM #11
Interesting take, with some valid points but also many inaccuracies. You really should get your facts straight.
The only real advantages are better accessibility and languages. Okay, a better stock media player...but there are good free big name options that actually give Android more media features.
The iPhone 3G is not a fast phone. The 3GS is much faster and has the same Cortex-A8 based CPUS as the Nexus and Droids use. The Droid only has 256MB of RAM and is quite fast. So no, it did not take 1Ghz and 512MB RAM, it took iPhone 3GS comparable specs...600MHz Cortex A8 and 256MB of RAM. The 3G is like the G1 in terms of specs and both phones are on the slow side, though the G1 does a lot more, always.
With Android on one of the superphones things are usually smooth. Once Flash comes out of beta, it'll be even smoother. Android will love having dual core phones later this year/early next year that will handle the multitasking even better.
Transitions or not are personal preference. No transitions is a faster simpler approach while transitions use more resources and is flashier. Android lets you choose if you want transitions or not. And you can turn on transitions for the screen rotating. I don't see the need and don't have one. You'll see this recurring theme with Android, choices for almost everything.
Either way, transitions don't add functionality. It's just glitter. Android 3.0 Gingerbread is focusing on UI, so plenty of the glitter people wish for will come.
It's not quite that cut and dry. FroYo for example added:
"Multi-lingual users can add multiple languages to the keyboard and switch between multiple Latin-based input languages by swiping across the space bar. This changes the keys as well as the auto-suggest dictionary."
It's pretty cool actually and I have it set up to switch between English and Spanish as I'm taking a Spanish class. It's a great feature that the iOS does not have.
Plus, BetterKeyboard has a lot of different languages and themes and is a good quality keyboard that's not expensive.
Google continues to add support for more languages too.
However, given everything iOS has better language support although Android does offer some things as well.
Can't comment too much...haven't messed with, looked at or cared about this. If this sells you to get an iPhone...then go for it.
Though, I must say being able to speak to input text is great in terms of accessibility.
You don't buy SD cards often. That's simply wrong. I'm using the 8GB SD card I got for my G1 in '08 in my Nexus now, cost me less than $20 back then. By year's end I will have a 16GB SD for $20 or less and a 32GB for hopefully $50. Not pricey at all especially when considering most Android phones can be had for cheaper than an iPhone.
They're also both flash memory so their speeds will be similar.
I also wouldn't exactly call it a media powerhouse. It doesn't support that many audio formats...like FLAC or OGG.
iOS users have to deal with plugging their phone into their computer all the time. That's really outdated.
True, the stock Android media app while decent enough is not stellar. However, download DoubleTwist for free and you have everything the iPod can do plus a lot more. You can even download the free app for your computer and it will function just like iTunes.
I use 3 as my audio player, it has different unique ways of going through your albums and artists and has great widgets.
Ah right, you don't really get the play with widgets at all.
I don't know what you're doing wrong, but the browser is great for double tapping. That's all I use and I rarely(not even weekly) need to pinch and zoom to be able to see something. The Android browser reflows text depending on how far you're zoomed in so you don't have to move to screen or zoom out to read whatever you're looking at. It's a lot better than not wrapping the text like the iOS browser.
Dolphin Browser gives you tabbed browsing, syncing with your google bookmarks, gestures and more nice features. iOS only has Opera Mini as an alternative which I do use for when I'm on Edge.
What websites do you see that don't load properly?
Android phones get a day. iPhones get a day. The biggest difference is Android phones letting you have an extra battery. For $25, a spare battery is cheap and can be really useful. Plus, having a standard USB port to charge is a lot nicer to deal with than a proprietary cable. I buy USB cables for $1 a piece.Last edited by Deathwish238; 07-22-2010 at 06:34 PM.
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- 07-22-2010, 06:30 PM #12
No, it's not because iOS is more efficient with its resources. It's because iOS3 and still iOS4 does very little at a time. You don't have homescreens. You don't have widgets. You're just now getting apps with some form of multitasking. You don't have a notification system(pop up notification systems is not much of a system, it doesn't even remember more than one). In iOS4 you get some limited multitasking, but still no homescreen or widgets.
A better comparison is the Nexus One which has the Incredible's specs but came out in January. The 3GS came out in July, so it's only a 5 month difference. The iPhone 4 just matches the Nexus One's specs...I expected Apple to surpass it at least a little. The Nexus with FroYo is also faster than the iPhone 4 when opening apps and browsing websites.
The G1 has full multitasking and handles Flash with FroYo or SenseUI ROMs while having iPhone 3G specs. Now that's efficient.
Apple has had its share of quality control based lawsuits.
I use my Nexus around campus walking around all day in the bright as hell sun. I can see my screen perfectly outdoors with the brightness on Auto. The difference is, indoors my screen looks a lot better than the 3GS because its really dark blacks and vivid image.
HTC would say that no screen is meant to be in your pocket. Not exactly new news...jeans can put a lot of pressure on a screen.
The capacitive buttons are great, definitely not unresponsive. What's your source for that? Initially, the press point was a little high...but that was taken care of months ago and almost immediately in custom ROMs. It took a few days to get used to...not an issue.
Those with issues seeing the screen need to get their eyes checked. The battery life is fine, lasts a day like an iPhone or most other smartphones.
If it's too large or not is personal preference. If you don't like the size, get a different Android phone. I love the 4.3" screen, you can view a lot of webpages without zooming in at all. Very nice.
3.5" is on the small side, no reason to no have at least 3.7".
The camera lens isn't on the outside, the protector is. So you're not going to easily damage your camera's lens.
From 1.0 and 2.1 there have been 3 major updates. 1.5(Cupcake), 1.6(Donut) and 2.1(Eclair). The G1 receiving 3 of those is pretty good. I have a G1 running FroYo right now too and it's running quite well. So I don't see why Google won't release FroYo for the G1 given time.
The 3G being so slow shows how much better the G1 is. The G1 with one of the newer versions of Android is a much better phone than when it came out at Android's launch. It's evolved with newer versions of Android incredibly well. The 3G on the other hand has already been left in the dust by Apple. Part of that is Apple disabling features to entice you to upgrade. The G1's specs are pretty similar to the 3G's specs, only slightly more RAM. It handles full multitasking and Flash very well while the 3G can't dream of getting either. I've had a jailbroken 3G, it's multitasking was okay but not as good as Android's.
So is Apple's way of delivering updates better? Not necessarily. They're not free to everyone(iPod touch and now the iPad possibly). They're not always smooth launches and each one breaks jailbreaking again and again. Many people had problems with the iOS4 rollout. They're not OTA...stuck to the cable connected to your computer. Two generation old models are missing out on features. It seems nobody wins it all.
You obviously haven't used an Android phone for longer than 10 minutes. Android has all the quality big name apps that iOS does or an equivalent. Name an app that you hail so much and I will tell you its counter. The only advantage iOS still has is gaming, but with Google Games launching soon...that advantage won't be for long. Android's marketplace has evolved very quickly and supports freedom and openess. There are competitive apps for everything from Homescreens with lots of themes to Rooted apps. No dealing with jailbreak hacker markets rampant with ads and spam and timers.
The Android marketplace also has some nice advantages like a 24 hour return policy, auto updating apps and almost twice as many free apps.
Plus, I don't have to learn a language only used by iOS to write an app. I just need Java that is commonly used throughout the world.Last edited by Deathwish238; 07-22-2010 at 06:40 PM.
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I would like to *High Five* Deathwish238.
iPhone 5 16GB, iPad 32GB Wi-fi, Mac Mini(2010)
Twitter - @UhanRodric - 07-25-2010, 01:10 PM
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iPhone 4 32GB
MacBook Air 13.3" (May 2011)
iPad 2 16GB - 07-25-2010, 01:21 PM #17
Maybe time for you to spend a week with the Android phone of your choice and see, Jello.
- 07-25-2010, 02:48 PM
Thread Author #18
iPhone 4 32GB
MacBook Air 13.3" (May 2011)
iPad 2 16GB - 07-26-2010, 12:07 AM #19
I definitely agree about the smoothness of it. My buddy has a Droid and it looks a bit jumpy at times.
- 07-26-2010, 07:45 AM #20
I don't think anyones ganging up on iOS or Android. It's like if I had red ball, and you had a green ball. I would think all red balls are amazing, and that green balls suck. Just as you would be more partial to green balls, and not like red ones. That's all that's really going on. Both are solid, both are amazing advances in technology.
iPhone 5 16GB, iPad 32GB Wi-fi, Mac Mini(2010)
Twitter - @UhanRodric - 07-28-2010, 06:03 PM #21
- 07-28-2010, 09:21 PM
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iPhone 4 32GB
MacBook Air 13.3" (May 2011)
iPad 2 16GB - 07-30-2010, 02:07 PM #23
- 08-19-2010, 04:38 AM #24
- 08-19-2010, 10:30 PM #25
Preface: This is a pretty long post. I needed to vent some, so if you read it, thanks for indulging me; if not, there's a bottom line summary at the end.
I've got to side with Jello here...and I have had an EVO since launch. Some background on my smartphone history and an explanation first. I have always been a big fan of the best technology available, as I am sure most of us on this site are. I started out with a Panasonic MP3 player back in '05 and then switched to the original iPod 30GB video and was sold on Apple ever since. However, as much as I recognize and appreciate all things Apple, I like my money a little bit more, which is why I am on Sprint and have been for years. So, since I have not been able to get the iPhone, I have had to go with the best Sprint has to offer for the past few years. I started out with an HTC Mogul in '07 (I ran the numbers and AT&T was like $30 more/month...just couldn't do it) and then switched to the Pre last year and finally the EVO now. All of these phones have all had great features and were powerful in their own ways.
The Mogul was multitasking and copy and pasting like a champ years ago. The Pre had a very innovative UI that was fun, easy to customize, and had some great iPhone port versions of games. The EVO has just about every hardware feature known to mankind, most notably the huge screen and 1GHZ processor (neither of which are unique anymore, but still very good features). So from WinMo 6.1 to webOS 1.4 to Android 2.2, they all have great features and generally good phones.
However, the biggest thing that all of these phones are missing is the aforementioned "usability." The lag on every one of these phones is horrible; to qualify, it's not perpetually horrible, just frequent enough to REALLY **** you off. All of these phones are great proof of concept phones, but beyond that, say 2 months in, those concepts and features start to fall apart.
To focus on Android, since that's what this thread is actually about, I was really looking forward to a lot of the great features and vast app store that I had read about. When I first got my EVO, the new apps I would find or hear about every day was very fun--and useful. But at some point I had downloaded all of the main apps that both platforms have and started to notice all of the websites/stores that have an iPhone app but not Android. It's frustrating the more and more I realize that Android (as far as apps anyways) is absolutely second rate compared to iOS.
And as for all of the landmark features on the EVO (this can be expanded to Android in general since most of the top-tier phones are basically on par with the EVO specs), they are nice at first, but then the phone jerks, freezes, resets, force close errors popup, etc and then does it again and again, and I started to get pissed until I made the same realization as the app store--Android is second rate to iOS. I'm generally happy with the layout of the UI and the aesthetics, but my phone becomes unresponsive (i.e. I can't hang up a phone call) multiple times per day. Sometimes it was get a little laggy and unresponsive and I think I'm just being picky, but then I will consciously think "I wonder if I'm just being picky. Maybe, let's see if I can open something on the computer before my phone responds." And then I will open and close an e-mail on my computer, turn back to my phone, and a second or two later it finally responds or an app finally opens. I really want to go all in on Android and Google b/c I like gmail and other Google services, so the ecosystem integration would definitely be nice...but I just can't do it, or recommend it to anyone else.
The main issue here is the fundamental difference between bleeding edge and cutting edge technology. Android (and WinMo and Palm, once upon a time) is bleeding edge technology. It can do pretty much everything that is possible with the current technology, but it just does not do it reliably. Apple, on the other hand, is cutting edge technology. Some (not all--no one can deny them of their innovation record) of their features may technically be one step behind the competition, but when they implement them, they do it well, and make the user experience very good, reliable, and most importantly, enjoyable.
Good news for me: with Sprint's $10 "premium data" add-on times multiple phones on a family plan, they are no longer cheaper for me than AT&T after I factor in my corporate discount (which is also 5% better with AT&T), so my next phone will definitely be an iPhone.
Bad news for me: I'm only about half way through my current 2-year Sprint agreement, so by the time it's worth paying the pro-rated ETF, it will be next June when the next iPhone comes out.
Maybe Google will "fix" Android by then, but if it's like any other "bleeding edge" tech I've used, I'm not going to hold my breath.
Here's to waiting for iPhone 5!
P.S. As an example for my points, I was trying to show the EVO vs. iPhone cartoon that the Best Buy employee made on youtube the other day to some non-techies--while on wifi--and the video kept getting about half way through before some random error message would pop up, forcing me to restart the video and find where it left off. Definitely not cool. You can probably imagine the reaction from the non-techies.Last edited by Frankenstein; 08-19-2010 at 10:37 PM.

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