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    I've owned an iPhone since its launch in 2007. Back then it was leaps and bounds ahead of any competitor and a huge step up from my Samsung U700 slide phone.
    For me it defined the term 'smartphone' although looking back now it's hardly smart compared to today standards.

    It was beautifully styled, had a great operating system and was extremely fast. Of course this is all at the time.

    Things have changed in 6 years

    I'll start with the hardware!
    Apple hardware is beautiful. There's no denying the feel of the device in your hands is one of quality and care.
    A great deal of effort was put in to making a phone that feels like it's worth something.
    In my own opinion HTC and the new BB Z10 comes a close second but unfortunately Samsung has always lacked in this department.

    At this stage I'm talking purely about their feel not how they look.
    The S3 and Note 2 feel cheap compared to the iPhone 5.
    In terms of look however I prefer the S3 to any of them but that alone is not enough and isn't easily debatable as its down to the individual.

    The insides of these devices is much the same. Having a dual/quad/octa-core processor is all well and good but in a real world environment it means very little to me and many wont really notice.

    Apples camera has always been a let down but until recently I've not really taken many photos. The Samsung S3 wins this contest by far from what I've seen.

    I'm not going to go in to too much detail about battery as its highly reliant on the software use which can't easily be compared. All i'll say is none of them are good enough yet!

    It's where we move on to software we see the true innovators.
    Back in 2007 Apple where in charge, they took the single screen menu we were all comfortable with from our Nokia 3310 era and pushed us towards home screens. Of course they didn't invent this concept, they just made it the standard we all come to expect today besides the very unique Windows Mobile Tiles system.

    Apple introduced iOS and stuck with the same style since. It worked for a while but 6 years later it's become a little dated. Yes we've had the App Store, Siri, iCloud and a few limited customisation options but for the most part it's one new feature a year and it's usually plagued with starter problems and normally there's an app that has done it for much longer and usually better.

    Until recently none of this ever bothered me, it was safe, it worked with my iPad and various laptops and everyone knows how it works.

    Googles Android jumped in to the world properly in 2009 with the dessert based operating systems. As a stand alone OS it didn't scream out at me and even today it still wouldn't get my vote without the little twists Samsung and HTC put on top of it.

    It's when we compare the little differences in both hardware and software Apple begins to look a little foolish.

    Ill start with NFC, the feature I'm most excited about gaining.
    By itself it's boring but add a little genius from a few devs and we've a little gem hidden beneath the surface just waiting to be exploited.
    I expected Apple to at least add the chip to the iPhone 5 with a stock app for payments but nothing because it 'wasn't what users want'
    Oh how wrong they were. Just type NFC in to YouTube and have a look at how many tutorials there are with phones being utilised.

    We then look at how 'free' Android users are. I can only compare myself on an iPhone 4S to my friends on Android on the S3. When I say custom I mean different wallpaper. When they say it I thought it was just wallpaper and a few widgets.
    It's now I realise how little I knew about the S3... You can do anything u want from setting default apps to changing entire system functions like the keyboard.

    Recently a friend wasn't getting his messages through. On iOS that would require either a reboot or a restore... He just downloaded an app and continued as normal, no looking back.

    I could continue to go on but the bottom line is that ill be upgrading my 4S to the GS4 on launch day.

    There is an ideal world and that's Android on an iPhone but that won't happen and Apple themselves won't catch up anytime soon!

    As of April I will be viewing this forum from the Galaxy S4


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    Quote Originally Posted by dpscott View Post
    I've owned an iPhone since its launch in 2007. Back then it was leaps and bounds ahead of any competitor and a huge step up from my Samsung U700 slide phone.
    For me it defined the term 'smartphone' although looking back now it's hardly smart compared to today standards.

    It was beautifully styled, had a great operating system and was extremely fast. Of course this is all at the time.

    Things have changed in 6 years

    I'll start with the hardware!
    Apple hardware is beautiful. There's no denying the feel of the device in your hands is one of quality and care.
    A great deal of effort was put in to making a phone that feels like it's worth something.
    In my own opinion HTC and the new BB Z10 comes a close second but unfortunately Samsung has always lacked in this department.

    At this stage I'm talking purely about their feel not how they look.
    The S3 and Note 2 feel cheap compared to the iPhone 5.
    In terms of look however I prefer the S3 to any of them but that alone is not enough and isn't easily debatable as its down to the individual.

    The insides of these devices is much the same. Having a dual/quad/octa-core processor is all well and good but in a real world environment it means very little to me and many wont really notice.

    Apples camera has always been a let down but until recently I've not really taken many photos. The Samsung S3 wins this contest by far from what I've seen.

    I'm not going to go in to too much detail about battery as its highly reliant on the software use which can't easily be compared. All i'll say is none of them are good enough yet!

    It's where we move on to software we see the true innovators.
    Back in 2007 Apple where in charge, they took the single screen menu we were all comfortable with from our Nokia 3310 era and pushed us towards home screens. Of course they didn't invent this concept, they just made it the standard we all come to expect today besides the very unique Windows Mobile Tiles system.

    Apple introduced iOS and stuck with the same style since. It worked for a while but 6 years later it's become a little dated. Yes we've had the App Store, Siri, iCloud and a few limited customisation options but for the most part it's one new feature a year and it's usually plagued with starter problems and normally there's an app that has done it for much longer and usually better.

    Until recently none of this ever bothered me, it was safe, it worked with my iPad and various laptops and everyone knows how it works.

    Googles Android jumped in to the world properly in 2009 with the dessert based operating systems. As a stand alone OS it didn't scream out at me and even today it still wouldn't get my vote without the little twists Samsung and HTC put on top of it.

    It's when we compare the little differences in both hardware and software Apple begins to look a little foolish.

    Ill start with NFC, the feature I'm most excited about gaining.
    By itself it's boring but add a little genius from a few devs and we've a little gem hidden beneath the surface just waiting to be exploited.
    I expected Apple to at least add the chip to the iPhone 5 with a stock app for payments but nothing because it 'wasn't what users want'
    Oh how wrong they were. Just type NFC in to YouTube and have a look at how many tutorials there are with phones being utilised.

    We then look at how 'free' Android users are. I can only compare myself on an iPhone 4S to my friends on Android on the S3. When I say custom I mean different wallpaper. When they say it I thought it was just wallpaper and a few widgets.
    It's now I realise how little I knew about the S3... You can do anything u want from setting default apps to changing entire system functions like the keyboard.

    Recently a friend wasn't getting his messages through. On iOS that would require either a reboot or a restore... He just downloaded an app and continued as normal, no looking back.

    I could continue to go on but the bottom line is that ill be upgrading my 4S to the GS4 on launch day.

    There is an ideal world and that's Android on an iPhone but that won't happen and Apple themselves won't catch up anytime soon!

    As of April I will be viewing this forum from the Galaxy S4


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    Well then as your last line says about the perfect phone being Android on iPhone, You are right IOS is what makes iPhone special.

    With that said you are entitled to your opinion for sure and you have gone through great detail to do so. I wish you well with your new venture phone and hope you will come back often to visit. At the very least please become a member of one of our sister sites Android Central where you will get the same courtesy there as I am sure you have here. Have a great day and don't be a stranger. Once you join AC if you have not already be sure to link both sites in your profile so you get credit for all of your Global Posts. Best wishes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguarr40 View Post
    Well then as your last line says about the perfect phone being Android on iPhone, You are right IOS is what makes iPhone special.

    With that said you are entitled to your opinion for sure and you have gone through great detail to do so. I wish you well with your new venture phone and hope you will come back often to visit. At the very least please become a member of one of our sister sites Android Central where you will get the same courtesy there as I am sure you have here. Have a great day and don't be a stranger. Once you join AC if you have not already be sure to link both sites in your profile so you get credit for all of your Global Posts. Best wishes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpscott View Post
    I've owned an iPhone since its launch in 2007. Back then it was leaps and bounds ahead of any competitor and a huge step up from my Samsung U700 slide phone.
    For me it defined the term 'smartphone' although looking back now it's hardly smart compared to today standards.

    It was beautifully styled, had a great operating system and was extremely fast. Of course this is all at the time.

    Things have changed in 6 years

    I'll start with the hardware!
    Apple hardware is beautiful. There's no denying the feel of the device in your hands is one of quality and care.
    A great deal of effort was put in to making a phone that feels like it's worth something.
    In my own opinion HTC and the new BB Z10 comes a close second but unfortunately Samsung has always lacked in this department.

    At this stage I'm talking purely about their feel not how they look.
    The S3 and Note 2 feel cheap compared to the iPhone 5.
    In terms of look however I prefer the S3 to any of them but that alone is not enough and isn't easily debatable as its down to the individual.

    The insides of these devices is much the same. Having a dual/quad/octa-core processor is all well and good but in a real world environment it means very little to me and many wont really notice.

    Apples camera has always been a let down but until recently I've not really taken many photos. The Samsung S3 wins this contest by far from what I've seen.

    I'm not going to go in to too much detail about battery as its highly reliant on the software use which can't easily be compared. All i'll say is none of them are good enough yet!

    It's where we move on to software we see the true innovators.
    Back in 2007 Apple where in charge, they took the single screen menu we were all comfortable with from our Nokia 3310 era and pushed us towards home screens. Of course they didn't invent this concept, they just made it the standard we all come to expect today besides the very unique Windows Mobile Tiles system.

    Apple introduced iOS and stuck with the same style since. It worked for a while but 6 years later it's become a little dated. Yes we've had the App Store, Siri, iCloud and a few limited customisation options but for the most part it's one new feature a year and it's usually plagued with starter problems and normally there's an app that has done it for much longer and usually better.

    Until recently none of this ever bothered me, it was safe, it worked with my iPad and various laptops and everyone knows how it works.

    Googles Android jumped in to the world properly in 2009 with the dessert based operating systems. As a stand alone OS it didn't scream out at me and even today it still wouldn't get my vote without the little twists Samsung and HTC put on top of it.

    It's when we compare the little differences in both hardware and software Apple begins to look a little foolish.

    Ill start with NFC, the feature I'm most excited about gaining.
    By itself it's boring but add a little genius from a few devs and we've a little gem hidden beneath the surface just waiting to be exploited.
    I expected Apple to at least add the chip to the iPhone 5 with a stock app for payments but nothing because it 'wasn't what users want'
    Oh how wrong they were. Just type NFC in to YouTube and have a look at how many tutorials there are with phones being utilised.

    We then look at how 'free' Android users are. I can only compare myself on an iPhone 4S to my friends on Android on the S3. When I say custom I mean different wallpaper. When they say it I thought it was just wallpaper and a few widgets.
    It's now I realise how little I knew about the S3... You can do anything u want from setting default apps to changing entire system functions like the keyboard.

    Recently a friend wasn't getting his messages through. On iOS that would require either a reboot or a restore... He just downloaded an app and continued as normal, no looking back.

    I could continue to go on but the bottom line is that ill be upgrading my 4S to the GS4 on launch day.

    There is an ideal world and that's Android on an iPhone but that won't happen and Apple themselves won't catch up anytime soon!

    As of April I will be viewing this forum from the Galaxy S4


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    One slight correction, Android has been around since October 22, 2008, the first release of the HTC G1. I know it doesn't matter, but Android hasn't developed as much as I think they wanted it too in these last four and half years. But if you prefer Android to iOS, more power to you, it's a fun OS and the mobile industry is about what suits you personally. So frequent AC and learn even more about Android and if you get into rooting, XDA Developers is another great site full of knowledge on builds, kernels and everything root. And if later on you decide iOS is still your cup of tea, there's still plenty of room here on iMore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by revtech View Post
    Well done JAG . . Handled with the utmost grace, respect, and dignity
    Hey I am in a new roll now. I have to be subjective and more understanding...lol TY anyway for the complement. Have a great day.
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    I personally think that the combination of iOS and the fantastic hardware is what makes the iPhone great. It's just not the phone for me anymore.

    Ive invested so much in to the Apple ecosystem over the years this was a tough decision especially as ill be loosing iCloud and the convenience of iTunes.

    Realistically ill be keeping my iPhone close by for a good few weeks first to ease me over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by metllicamilitia View Post
    One slight correction, Android has been around since October 22, 2008, the first release of the HTC G1. I know it doesn't matter, but Android hasn't developed as much as I think they wanted it too in these last four and half years. But if you prefer Android to iOS, more power to you, it's a fun OS and the mobile industry is about what suits you personally. So frequent AC and learn even more about Android and if you get into rooting, XDA Developers is another great site full of knowledge on builds, kernels and everything root. And if later on you decide iOS is still your cup of tea, there's still plenty of room here on iMore.


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    I think he might have known when android came out. He said in 2009 it was properly introduced. So he is probably meaning froyo with the original droid. Meaning he thinks the droid is what help start android.

    No one gives my old g1 any credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfedude88 View Post
    I think he might have known when android came out. He said in 2009 it was properly introduced. So he is probably meaning froyo with the original droid. Meaning he thinks the droid is what help start android.

    No one gives my old g1 any credit.
    Yeah, that's why I said it doesn't matter, Android's been around for a while. And the Verizon Droid's really helped push it mainstream.


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    We will have to agree to disagree on these statements. I don't see how anyone can say another device has a better camera or battery life than the iPhone, but ok. Enjoy your switch and be sure to check out AC for all your forum needs.


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    Ya gotta go with what makes you happy and suits your lifestyle. No real need for explanations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpscott View Post
    I personally think that the combination of iOS and the fantastic hardware is what makes the iPhone great. It's just not the phone for me anymore.

    Ive invested so much in to the Apple ecosystem over the years this was a tough decision especially as ill be loosing iCloud and the convenience of iTunes.

    Realistically ill be keeping my iPhone close by for a good few weeks first to ease me over.


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    Interesting read. And for the most part iAgree. Apple was 5 years ahead of the competition in 2007. Now who is ahead is subjective to a users needs and wants
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    Go where you are happy. I could sit here all day and debate with you the points you made, but it would be totally wasted time...and some of your points were a bit laughable, but if you're happy else where, knock yourself out!
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    I'm sure he'll be back later with a "what was I thinking" thread.
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    Go where you are happy.
    For some reason, "happy" for some people is to come to a forum geared towards a product they have never used and/or no longer use (or about to abandon...) and tell people all about how they're "missing out" not seeing the light... smh...
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    Bottom line is it's about personal preference. Use whatever device works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kch50428 View Post
    For some reason, "happy" for some people is to come to a forum geared towards a product they have never used and/or no longer use (or about to abandon...) and tell people all about how they're "missing out" not seeing the light... smh...
    Well it is his and for that matter the right of choice for anyone at any time to change their mind. At least I would hope and sure he will go to AC and support one of our sister stores. They will embrace him there and I will here. Many people are cross members of our sites and I have no problem with any of them as i have many friends in our other forums. To each their own and I wish him well.
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    I'm kind if shocked at the ops statement about the iPhone camera being a let down. For years even now by bloggers and tech journalist alike the iPhone has lead in this category. In my own personal experience the iPhone has always beat my other Android and Blackberry experiences as well. App support has also always made Apples camera an ideal choice for a mobile camera. Just a little shocked it has always been s let down for him or her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kch50428 View Post
    For some reason, "happy" for some people is to come to a forum geared towards a product they have never used and/or no longer use (or about to abandon...) and tell people all about how they're "missing out" not seeing the light... smh...
    My dad taught me a long time ago...you can have an opinion, but don't mistake your right to have one with the need for me to listen to or agree with it. You feel the need to come to iMore to tell us why you don't like the iPhone and why you'll be using another device instead? Cool...expect a retort.
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    My camera opinion is based on less then 100 photos between the iPhone and the S3. In general the S3 produced sharper images. The iPhone was still good but for what we were taking it wasn't as 'colourful' for lack of a better term.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanHRCC View Post
    expect a retort.
    Believe it or not I was expecting worse.

    My reasons for posting this on an Apple site was because I've been a member of imore for a long while and enjoyed reading others opinion on subjects such as this and thought I'd share my story and spark up a nice debate.

    I did post the same on AC and they weren't as enthusiastic as expected.


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    Well you're in the right place for a more diplomatic approach to the retorts, given this is the extended "other devices" section of iMore. It probably would have been worse in other areas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpscott View Post
    I personally think that the combination of iOS and the fantastic hardware is what makes the iPhone great. It's just not the phone for me anymore.

    Ive invested so much in to the Apple ecosystem over the years this was a tough decision especially as ill be loosing iCloud and the convenience of iTunes.

    Realistically ill be keeping my iPhone close by for a good few weeks first to ease me over.


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    And since you're looking for the legitimate debate...here's the retort i was originally going to give you...

    - NFC? This is a primary reason for your jumping ship? I mean i get it, it's a cool feature and it's a technology that is rapidly growing...but come on, it's not widely available to make a huge convenience contribution yet (and no, using it in 4 places in your town does not qualify as a legitimate convenience changer), and trumping that fact, you can almost bet that the iPhone WILL have it on the next iteration! So you're investing in the tech on the idea that it will never show up on an iPhone...to me, that's a bit foolish, but to each their own, NFC isn't anywhere near the mainstream app that would steer me, but that's just me and my opinion.

    - The Freedom argument...simple answer...i can jailbreak my iPhone and turn it into any of the other phones on the market if i wanted to, so as far as freedom of change, the argument is a bit moot. I would begin to agree if we were talking the freedom to expand storage space, but even then, with a 32GB iPhone, i have thousands of songs, hundreds of pictures and videos, more apps than i would ever use, overflowing mailboxes and lots of saved attachments all over...and it's still not full. These devices were never intended to be mass storage units, i have several massive hard drives i could do that with and easily slide it in my bag...and yet, i still store tons of stuff on my iPhone i never use, so it still pulls the duty.

    - Resetting when errors occur...THIS is where i just totally lost your logic on your switch. Are you telling me that you're switching to an android based phone because you didn't like the fact that one time you friend had to reset his iPhone to get the messages to go through? You're in for a rude awakening my friend, but sometimes people just need to see for themselves. The iPhone hiccups sometimes, all phones do...but i think even the most bull headed android fan would agree, the iPhone is the most reliable offering on the table right now...the system is so simple, it just doesn't have any where near the errors you find on android based phones (especially after tweaks, and in between updates to the android OS). Simply put...you're essentially trading in top of the food chain reliability for something much lower (in that regard). Good luck!

    ...and since those were your main points, I'll leave it at that for now.
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    Even if I was wanting to leave, I'd still give it a few months to see what Apple is thinking in iOS 7. This is like the tail end of iOS 6. Plus google has an event in May.
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