1. xlipstickandbruisesx's Avatar
    The Mini will NEVER get a Retina Display.
    Unless Technology takes a big leap foward in the near future.. you can't shrink the components that are used in the 10" pad down to the size needed to fit in the Mini.. It would no longer be a Mini.. Not only would there be extra girth.. but the great batterylife we are experiencing now would be down considerablely ( without adding a considerably larger HEAVIER battery ).. throw 4G LTE on top of that.. and all of a sudden the Trade-Offs are too great.. Let's not even discuss the increase cost per unit as well.
    The Mini and the 3/4 are two completely different versions of the iPad.. That's what Apple is trying to get everyone to realize..
    Maybe I am having a dense moment, but how do you figure this? If they can make iPods and iPhones with Retina displays and make them thinner and with the iPhone have 4g lte why is it impossible to do this for the mini? If they don't come out with a Retina screen next time around I think the mini will probably be a short lived product.
    12-22-2012 06:24 PM
  2. impaler's Avatar
    I'm with you 100%. To suggest the mini will never have a retina display is complete nonsense. Of course, it's anyone's guess, but let's look at history...everything else is getting retina, even the iPods. Be careful when you say NEVER here--those posts remain and it can come back to make you look foolish.
    12-22-2012 06:42 PM
  3. cardfan's Avatar
    I won't say never. But it won't be anytime soon. Let's stop with the "retina" and say what it really is.

    The ipad mini isn't likely to get 2048 x 1536 resolution. It wouldn't be just retina but a retina+ screen. This would make it superior to the bigger ipad. And those bigger ipads need every bit of the thick battery and processor they have currently to run the same amount of pixels a "retina" Mini would have. To get the ipad mini at this resolution in nearly the same form factor would make it cost Apple more to produce than the bigger ipads.
    12-22-2012 10:41 PM
  4. impaler's Avatar
    I won't say never. But it won't be anytime soon. Let's stop with the "retina" and say what it really is.
    Why would I stop saying "retina"? Don't get your logic. Retina is how it looks, not what it "is". What I mean is that although pixel density is lower on a iPad 3/4 than a iPhone 4/4S/5, because you tend to hold your iPad further from your head than a iPhone, the iPad looks as crisp at the most reasonable distance from your eyes. Same reason a MacBook Pro with Retina isn't technically as sharp as a iPhone 5, from a density standpoint, but since we don't hold our laptops as close to our heads, it's not as big a deal, and looks great.
    12-22-2012 11:36 PM
  5. cardfan's Avatar
    Why would I stop saying "retina"? Don't get your logic. Retina is how it looks, not what it "is". What I mean is that although pixel density is lower on a iPad 3/4 than a iPhone 4/4S/5, because you tend to hold your iPad further from your head than a iPhone, the iPad looks as crisp at the most reasonable distance from your eyes. Same reason a MacBook Pro with Retina isn't technically as sharp as a iPhone 5, from a density standpoint, but since we don't hold our laptops as close to our heads, it's not as big a deal, and looks great.
    Usually Apple gets to "retina" by doubling the resolution. That's all i meant. If that's the case with the Mini, then i don't see it happening anytime soon. I don't think it needs to be doubled to be "retina" according to apple. But that's the way they've always done it for other reasons. Regardless, packing that many pixels in a 7.9" screen in the Mini's current form factor while maintaining performance and battery life would be pretty incredible. Yet there's those who basically expect this next year and have already trivialized it.

    I'll happily march down to Apple and pay 329 for such a product though if Apple can do it. I'm just not expecting it.
    12-23-2012 12:05 AM
  6. John Yester's Avatar
    Just picked up a new iPad this weekend and I did a in store comparison. And yes it passed on the Mini. Retina is more crisp and text is more vibrant...

    Yes it may be close to some eyes. But looking at what is down the road and what I want from a tablet. Retina is the way to go IMO
    12-23-2012 12:08 AM
  7. wolfedude88's Avatar
    I personally would love a retina display on my mini, because sometimes reading on the mini is a little fuzzy. Nothing horrible, but definitely noticeable. I personally wont be getting rid of it until a mini with a retina display comes out. I have both the ipad mini and Nexus 7 right now and I prefer the Nexus 7's screen more, but prefer the size of the mini more, just like I usually prefer more screen real estate on android phones most of the time. I like both of my tablets but the ipad mini is a nice size and my wife and I are flying on the 26th to visit her parents and the ipad mini is going with me and the Nexus 7 with her.

    Everyone should want a higher res screen, but it doesn't make the mini a crappy tablet either. I do think it should be priced a little lower though, but it is an apple product so I knew that wasn't going to happen.
    12-23-2012 01:37 AM
  8. HarryStamper's Avatar
    I have the 4th gen retina and a mini. I don't see that much difference in the screen
    Yes, the retina is sharper but its not a big deal
    Similar to my new tv, it's 720 but next to the 1080 (32") can't see that much of a difference.
    12-24-2012 01:27 AM
  9. demedcj's Avatar
    Nope wasn't a concern at all. I was more interested in the size and portability. When the next gen mini comes out ill most likely get that too and sell my mini.
    12-24-2012 04:06 AM
  10. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I have the 4th gen retina and a mini. I don't see that much difference in the screen
    Yes, the retina is sharper but its not a big deal
    It's night and day lol
    12-24-2012 01:31 PM
  11. jonathan2677's Avatar
    I just recently bought my first two tablets, first purchased a ipad mini which I loved everything about even the display then a week later I purchased a ipad4 and gave my son the mini to use I wanted a bigger screen for a few reasons so now I pick his ipad up often because I miss the size and feal but the more I use both the more I notice how less crisp the minis display is again both great products in there own way but def big difference in display also the wifi on my 4 seems to work so much better in the same room my iphone5 will have full strength my ipad4 will have full strength and the mini will only have half it's bars I don't know if this is common but in my case it is
    12-24-2012 03:05 PM
  12. RaiderWill's Avatar
    Why would Apple Shoot It's Own Self In The Foot? It's a Different Class of iPad.. The Mini's *Tech* will ALWAYS be a Generation or Two behind the ***Flagship*** iPad.. So.. you might as well get use to it.

    Otherwise the Mini would be the Flagship.

    Think about it.
    Last edited by RaiderWill; 02-28-2013 at 08:41 PM.
    12-27-2012 02:42 AM
  13. DNRuffin's Avatar
    I have an iPhone 4S with a "retina" display, but when I ordered my iPad Mini back in October, I didn't care. I mean, I've used the original iPad and the iPad 2 and seeing that they had the same resolution screen as the iPad Mini, I knew it wouldn't be a problem for me, especially since the iPad Mini has a higher ppi than those due to it having a smaller screen. The people who have a problem just like to nitpick.
    12-27-2012 03:00 AM
  14. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I have an iPhone 4S with a "retina" display, but when I ordered my iPad Mini back in October, I didn't care. I mean, I've used the original iPad and the iPad 2 and seeing that they had the same resolution screen as the iPad Mini, I knew it wouldn't be a problem for me, especially since the iPad Mini has a higher ppi than those due to it having a smaller screen. The people who have a problem just like to nitpick.
    Going from a small form factor retina display to a bigger one wouldn't cause
    me to feel the way I do about the display. I was coming from using an iPad 3
    with retina, and the difference was, well, obvious. I'm not nitpicking at all.
    12-27-2012 02:52 PM
  15. axllebeer's Avatar
    Love the mini. I'll take a lower price, better battery, less weight, and thinness over Retna any day of the week.
    12-28-2012 12:02 AM
  16. OTACORB's Avatar
    Going from a small form factor retina display to a bigger one wouldn't cause me to feel the way I do about the display. I was coming from using an iPad 3with retina, and the difference was, well, obvious. I'm not nitpicking at all.
    You have to be freaking blind not to see the difference. Not only is text fuzzy/blurry but the small rendering of text makes it look even worse. I have a iPad mini and do like it a lot, but the fact is if you plan to primarily use the device for reading and surfing you may want to check one out for yourself before you pull the trigger.

    I agree you are not nitpicking, but giving an honest opinion and assessment. I am not going to pretend because someone else says the iPad mini screen is fine. If it is for them great, but it won't be for everyone. I was initially overwhelmed with the size and weight but overtime that gave into reality.


    Sent from my iPad mini using Tapatalk HD
    12-28-2012 01:09 AM
  17. Mustang5Oh's Avatar
    I just got the mini and my wife got the iPad 4 and the screen doesn't bother me at all. I have a Nexus 7 (which I'll probably be selling soon) so I love the smaller form of the mini. This is the best tablet I've used and wouldn't think of getting rid of it for a iPad 4.
    12-28-2012 02:17 AM
  18. RaiderWill's Avatar
    Maybe I am having a dense moment, but how do you figure this? If they can make iPods and iPhones with Retina displays and make them thinner and with the iPhone have 4g lte why is it impossible to do this for the mini? If they don't come out with a Retina screen next time around I think the mini will probably be a short lived product.
    The way I figure it is simple..

    The Phone & Pod are 4" inch divices.. The Pad a 10" inch device.. Maybe "I" am having a Dense Moment.. but last time I check NEITHER of the Retina Units will Power / Fit the 8" inch Mini...

    The Battery in the 4" inch device surely cannot power the 8" Mini for 10 Hours ( The Bar Has Been Set..Can't decrease Screen Time Now ) and the Battery in the 10" device will not fit..

    So.. We are talking New Everything ( Battery,Quad-Core GPU and Retina Unit ) News Flash: It simply will not happen at this Price Point and it would no longer be a Mini.. Too Heavy.. To Expensive.. But it would have a slightly better Screen.

    Yes Apple can do it.. But They Made The Decision NOT TO DO IT.

    I know it takes some getting use to... But now Apple has Two Different Classes of iPad..

    It's as simple as that.
    Last edited by RaiderWill; 12-28-2012 at 06:19 PM.
    12-28-2012 06:14 AM
  19. OTACORB's Avatar
    I just got the mini and my wife got the iPad 4 and the screen doesn't bother me at all. I have a Nexus 7 (which I'll probably be selling soon) so I love the smaller form of the mini. This is the best tablet I've used and wouldn't think of getting rid of it for a iPad 4.
    Not bothering you and not being able to see the difference are two different things. It does not bother me generally, but I can absolutely see the difference in clarity.


    Sent from my iPad mini using Tapatalk HD
    12-29-2012 03:48 AM
  20. Redbird1's Avatar
    Just got the iPad Mini yesterday. I knew going in, that it wouldn't have the clarity of retina. That said, I was a little miffed at the 'graininess'. However, It took about 30 minutes to get used to the lower resolution.

    I love it for other reasons, namely the perfect size.


    Sent using Tapatalk
    12-29-2012 12:28 PM
  21. lonbeehold's Avatar
    It depends om what's most important for your uses and needs. I read a great deal on my iPad. Display is paramount to me and as much as I like the form factor of the mini, display, for me, trumps weight and portability. The lesser display is not something I'd get used to or be able to overlook the more I used the mini.
    12-29-2012 02:12 PM
  22. kristopherlarry's Avatar
    For Me Retina Wasn't A Deal Breaker... I Can Def See How It Doesn't Compare To The 3 or 4 Image Wise... But My 3 Was Just Not Comfortable For Me To Carry Everywhere... Simply Put... I Wanted A Smaller Tablet & Apple Was The Way To Go... Hope To See At Least A More Powerful Chip Next Go Round... But At The Price, Along With Thinness & Lightness... I Won't Complain... That's Just Me Tho...


    iPhone 5 32gb, iPad 3 32gb, iPad Mini LTE 32gb, Apple TV3 x2..... Love The Ecosystem... 😜
    12-31-2012 04:40 PM
  23. grassyblue's Avatar
    I think what it boils down to is some people are just more sensitive to screen resolution than others. To me, the mini's screen is clearly fuzzier, but I don't mind. We all lived with non-retina displays for many years before Apple even introduced the concept.
    01-01-2013 02:24 PM
  24. Batting1000's Avatar
    I had an iPad 2 as my first iPad and then jumped to the mini so I'm use to it. I have the iPhone 5 too, but the fact that the mini isn't Retina doesn't bother me that much.
    01-01-2013 04:40 PM
  25. angermeans's Avatar
    I would try to wait for the new iPad mini with retina display that we know is coming sometime in 2013 first / second quarter.


    Sent from my Wi-Fi Black 64GB iPad with Retina Display using Tapatalk HD
    I wouldn't place any bets on this retina iPad mini your "know is coming" it's not just an issue of adding a retina display like most think it is. I ave yet to see a display at this size with tat many ppi. It would far surpass any iPad family product out to date yet be on the lowest it's device? I really doubt it. Unless apple decides to go to 3x or even 4x they won't allow for a higher ppi on the lowest cost iPad mini. It makes no sense at all. Not to mention I don't think it can even be done right now. First of all they won't jeopordize the size and weight as that is the selling point for the mini. To run a retina type display on an iPad mini would mean for a much larger battery just look at the 3rd and 4th gen. Apple won't give up its 10 hr battery life and that has been shown by there lateness in the LTE game and lack or retina in the mini thus far. Second is cost. It would cost too much and apple will not (nor should they) give up the money they make off of each iOS device. They've shown it many many times before. Third, (and like I mentioned above) what you get people to upgrade to the larger iPad if the mini had a better ppi and thus better display? Apple makes higher product margins the higher we goin the family. If they offered their top of the line inte lowest cost iOS device and have it higher tan the rest what would be the point in that? It makes zero sense at all.

    I'm willing to get the mini will always be at least one or two product cycles behind the 9.7 inch iPad. Just look at this now. It matches the specs of the iPad 2 almost exactly and now we have the 3rd and 4th gen. It just won't happen. I find it funny how everyone throws all logic out the window when it comes to apples product line. Jony Ive and te crew are good but try don't have magic wands (like some believe). We won't see a retina display in the mini for at least another two years if even then.
    01-05-2013 10:37 PM
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