- 02-19-2010, 06:50 PM #51
The greatest thing we've ever created? Well, you are on an iPhone blog, after all... Maybe the iPhone is a contender? Though Lady Kaede did mention some good ones, too... I guess it depends where your heart lies. I am fond of the U.S. Constitution, too!
Those are some well thought out answers Lady Kaede and welcome back. I'm GLAD to hear from you again. How are you, your daughter and Johnny getting along? He is a wonderful speaker, Isn't he!
You mention some exceptional handywork along with well intended artwork and intellectual perception.
Open lines of communication are wonderful. We're not as far apart in our beliefs as would apear. I too consider myself a "Brainwashed" Partiot. Although the US Constitution and the Government it established is most likely the Most perfect form of Civil Governing ever instituted by man it still lacks "GREATEST" thing built by the hand of man.
It's still early with this question yet and I would love to share the answer with you, in due time I shall...but I'd like to leave it open for just a little longer for other's to ponder. In due time... Meanwhile, you, your daughter and Johnny continue to delve into that book and enjoy...
Good Evening Lady Kaede, Welcome back... How are you, your daughter and Johnny doing? Fine I hope. He is a wonderful speaker isn't he?
Although you give some fantastic answers and references, I must say they do not achieve "Greatest".
Collectively they are Most accomplished and would be hard pressed for falling short.
I too consider myself a "Brainwashed Patriot" and would say the US Constitution and the Government it establishes is close to Greatness.
It's still a little early in this post to share the "Greatest". In due time I shall, but for now I'd like to let it float a little longer for other's to ponder... and share what they would consider the Greatest thing built by the hand of man...
Welcome back to you also Microcosmos. I see there is still some interest in this thread... There have been quite a few visitor's that have chosen not to introduce themselves. That's OK ! At least they have visited. It is Open forum.
The Greatest thing man has ever built... After some serious thought, investigation and searching one could name a number of items. Man has spent Millions of $$$$ building Skyscrapers, Monuments numerous machines. He's even attempted to replicate himself. He was successful at steping on the moon, sending rockets to mars and other outer limits of the universe. He even created the iPhone.
Yet, for less than the (monetary) price of a pair of shoes, he built the GREATEST and MOST Important Structure known to man.
With two pieces of wood and three nails man Hung a Sacrifice and shed the Blood of Jesus for our Salvation. Building a bridge between Heaven and Hell for ALL Eternity.
My friend, if you have never visited that site, I implore you to do so today. Gaze upon that Cross at Calvery and look into the eyes of Jesus, come to know His Love for you. That He would Hang and Die there for your sin as well as mine.
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- 03-08-2010, 09:18 PM #61
Jeremiah 29:11..13 Talks of how God knows His thoughts for us..."Good Thoughts, thoughts of prosperity, peace, fullfillness in everything we do. If we Seek Him He shall be found"...That my friend is an Awsome GOD... a GOD whom PROMISES He WILL be found by those who SEEK HIM...Promises of Forgiveness, Salvation, Prosperity in all our affairs...Promises He SHALL be found... His word is FILLED with such Promises... I pray you seek HIM with all your heart, all our soul, all your mind, for today is the Day of Salvation...
- 05-22-2010, 11:46 AM #63
This thread has really been interesting to me to read as a current atheist. Let me start by saying I respect religion and am the only member of my family who is not a Christian, however have made my own informed decision to not follow that set of beliefs. After reading this thread I have liked seeing everyone's opposing views and how different misconceptions have been ironed out between the different factions represented here. The only post I have taken issue with is seen here, primarily the part I have bolded:
- 05-22-2010, 01:07 PM #64
it's nice to see someone on the other side of the fence, if you will
i myself am not so sure what to believe in but i would have to say that you and i are in the minority, unfortunately
you ask some very valid questions and i will enjoy watching the 'believers' search for the answers of 'his' physical evidence other than a shroud that appears to look like the one they call Jesus Christ, who's image has been engraved into our memories since day one.
(surely there are more so called findings but that's all that sticks in my head)
it amazes me when people will claim to see his image in something silly like a piece of toast, which should tell us how badly people want to believe it's all real
- 05-22-2010, 02:24 PM #65
Blink- I'm not super interested in dumb "evidence" that the severely jaded people claim too such as the toast example you use. And although I am a fellow atheist I do not really appreciate the tone you have taken with ridiculing those who choose to believe. I simply wish to make the point that those who "believe" are truly doing just that. It is ALL taken on faith for them since NO physical/scientific evidence exists to support the belief. So basically I like your questioning nature blink, but not your attitude of "your beliefs are wrong and you should think like this." That would make you just like the Christians who impose God the way you and I both detest.
- 05-22-2010, 03:38 PM #66
Josephus a Jewish Historian and Tacitus a Roman Historian during the time of Christ. Even the Koran acknowledges the existence of Jesus. The Jews will acknowledge that Jesus of Nazareth lived and died. They just do not believe that He was the Messiah. There was also a Greek satirists name Lucian Samosata that mentions Jesus.
I really do not think that you can deny that Jesus lived and died. I think there is enough Historical evidence to support it. The matter of faith will come in when you ask about "The Resurrection" of Jesus. If we can agree that Jesus of Nazareth lived and died on this Earth then we can move on to the Resurrection.
BTW, I do not really rely on Wikipedia as a good source of info but it was quicker and easier. A little bit of googling will take you to the men that I pointed out as well as others.
- 05-23-2010, 02:08 AM #67
Josephus lived 37-100 AD and Tacitus from 56-117 AD. I'm fairly sure that means neither of them were alive during the life of the supposed Jesus Christ. Not to mention both are highly disputed as to authenticity besides when it comes to the passages/works which mention Jesus. You would think there would be LOADS of completely authentic records from people who saw Jesus during his life if he truly walked around performing great miracles. However no completely confirmed authentic record exists to the best of my knowledge.