- 06-11-2008, 02:11 PM #76
Thanks for that. It explains a lot, although I must confess I can't find any reference in the software I have (TomTom Navigator 6) or the licence that comes with it to only operating when a vehicle is parked. Could be because it's not a US version?
- 06-13-2008, 04:51 AM #77
Update on TomTom from Darren Griffin, Editor of PocketGPSWorld.com, who has good contacts with the company:
And the official response from TomTom is:
We have made our software run on the iPhone as the reports have mentioned; it looks great and works very well. However there are currently no announcements yet, or a plan to create an announcement regarding navigation software for the iPhone. This means from our side there is no information on if or when this will be available.
Possible translation: 'We've made it work, we want to sell it through the app store, but Apple haven't told us if we can yet'.
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- 06-13-2008, 10:45 AM #78
TomTom has in fact produced real-time navigation software for the iPhone, according to one of the company's French representatives. Yann Lafargue denies allegations from other sources, which first said that Apple's SDK license forbids real-time navigation, and then that TomTom itself had no internal prototypes. "Since the SDK became available," Lafargue observes, "some of our engineers tried to put Navigator on the iPhone. And the first tests showed that it worked well for the most part."
Regarding the SDK, Lafargue believes that Apple does not have the intention of blocking third-party companies from competing in iPhone navigation. The company "must simply try to protect itself," he says, "in the case a client encounters a problem with his iPhone and a navigation application [and] has the intention of attacking them." It is still said to be unknown, however, whether TomTom will actually be able to sell its software for the iPhone. "On this point, it's still too early to suggest this," Lafargue comments. "What's sure is that we have a solution for which experiments proved conclusive. Now it's a matter of seeing in which manner we can launch it. We couldn't for example finalize a product only to be blocked from the App Store because Apple decided to make its own program, or to favor one from its partners. "In general, Apple has to date worked mostly with Americans rather than Europeans, which inspires caution," he says.
I hope Apple do the decent thing.
- 06-13-2008, 11:38 AM #79
In order to "agree" to these terms, I must interpret them as meaning that I can allow the device to tell me things while operating the vehicle but that I must park the vehicle to tell the device anything. However, a scrupulous reading might conclude that one could not even have the device turned on while driving.
Your observation that mine is the US version is correct. TomTom may believe that the litigious nature of the American culture makes such a disclaimer necessary here while not in Europe.
Note that TomTom does not assume that the language in the SDK license is intended to prevent them from offering a navigation product. Rather they seem to interpret it to be intended to limit Apple's liability.
- 06-14-2008, 02:55 AM #80
TomTom pretty clearly want to put the app on the iPhone and what Apple do about this might tell us a bit about how they see the platform developing. Back in the March SDK event Steve Jobs said App Store limitations would be confined to specific categories. I can't remember them all off the top of my head, but things like pornography, malicious apps, bandwidth hogs, etc. It all seemed fairly reasonable at the time and I am still hopeful that those are the extent of the limitations. Apart from anything else, they get a 30% cut and nav apps are probably some of the few that could be both high price and high volume.
- 06-14-2008, 05:55 AM #81
Apple is creating a new business model. They will make some mistakes. But they are in it for the long haul. They like themselves, perhaps a little much, and they want to be proud of their work. They want us to be proud of their work.
I will always remember the experience of buying my iPhone. The store was beautiful, the young people were beautiful, pleasant, and competent; the product was beautiful, and even the packaging was classy.
There seems to be something in the American psyche that is suspicious of success. Most of it is earned and deserved.
I expect to be pleased.
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- 06-15-2008, 09:17 AM #85
I expect that Google Maps on the iPhone 3G will take advantage of the GPS to initialize Google Directions. The iPhone will get the advantage of Google's huge database of points of interest. I have noticed that Google Maps on the current iPhone transmits some traffic information. There may even be something that approaches turn-by-turn directions, advertising supported, and otherwise free. That will be a good choice for many.
I do not want to rely on a navigation system that requires not only visibility of the satellites but also access to the Internet. Even AT&T EDGE, much less 3G, does not cover every place I may want to drive. I do not want to rely on a system for identifying my destination that requires that I use a keyboard rather than menus. Using a laptop with a mouse and a full key-board, Google is a great solution for locating destinations; it is not easy to use from an iPhone. I want other choices and I am prepared to pay for them. I want "favorites," "recent destinations," context-sensitive and location-sensitive menus. I may even want voice commands like the top-of-the-line integrated solution now have.
While some of those choices will enrich some of Apple's partners at the expense of others, all will enrich Apple. "Open" means choice. The market, not Apple, is the right mechanism to make these choices.
Palm has a history of favoring some partners, particularly carriers, over others; they are paying the price for that today as their market share shrinks from dominant to insignificant. They brag about shipping a million Centros (at a loss), while the new kid on the block sells six million and changes the technology forever.
Apple is smart, at least smarter than their competitors. They are not going to arbitrarily limit the choices of their customers to favor one or two out of hundreds of partners.
I understand the angst and the impatience. I was a Palm customer for a decade; Palm customers know angst and impatience. I think that Apple is making a Palm-like mistake by not addressing this issue up front. However, I do not think that the angst is justified; I expect to be pleased. I have waited years for Palm and then been disappointed. I can wait a few weeks or months for Apple, yet to disappoint.
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- 06-21-2008, 09:11 AM #90
On a recent trip to New Orleans, my room had a panel in the wall into which I could plug my computer using hdmi. My Sling then showed up on the large flat screen TV. I always travel with a remote pointing device (mouse substitute) that I use for controlling Powerpoint Presentations. Using this device as a remote, I could sit on the bed and watch "my" TV as though I was at home.
Of course, a non-gps app that I would like is a slingplayer for iPhone.
- 06-22-2008, 10:19 PM #91
I completely agree about wanting a program that will keep a running/biking history. Tracking things such as time, distance, avg pace, splits. Then it logs everything into a history so you can review and log past runs. Then tying in Google's excellent search features so one can go search past runs by location (city or state) or any of the above stats. This could lead to saving $300+ by not buying a Garmin Forerunner.
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- 07-13-2008, 11:36 AM #96
As to GPS, I am keeping my Treo and looking to TomTom. Even if, as Pogue says, there is a problem with the GPS, the same solution will work on the iPhone as on the Treo. The Treo has no GPS; instead it uses an external GPS (less than $100-) connected via BT. Such a solution would work fine on the original iPhone with 2.0 software.
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- 07-14-2008, 10:58 AM #98
What's the deal with GPS driving directions? Many developers have said that Apple's SDK license agreement prohibits the development of driving-directions apps, and the New York Times's David Pogue muddied the waters by saying that the iPhone's GPS isn't physically capable of providing driving directions. "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle," Pogue wrote.
That's wrong, Joswiak said; the iPhone's GPS is just like the GPS in other phones, many of which do provide driving directions. Rather, there are some murky "complicated issues" preventing driving directions apps at the moment. "It will evolve. I think our developers will amaze us," he said.
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