- 06-09-2008, 03:57 PM #51
- 06-09-2008, 05:43 PM #52
- 06-10-2008, 10:29 AM #53
- 06-10-2008, 10:57 AM #54
1) Have/will Apple let them into the Developer program?
2) Will TomTom keep working when a phone call comes in or allow background music playback (not so fussed about the latter, the former is essential)?
3) Will we be able to add POIs like we do with TomTom PNDs or TomTom software on other phones?
I do hope the answers are yes.
- 06-10-2008, 11:38 AM #55
- 06-10-2008, 12:19 PM #56
ATT wont allow it.
I have a feeling all of these dreams for free GPS spoken turn by turn directions is going to be merely a dream. I have a Blackberry and AT&T only offers Telnav as the software which cna be used for turn by turn directions, and is an additional $10 a month for unlimited service. I think that apple needs to give a littel elbow jab to AT&T and say, you need to let these people use whatever turn by turn software you choose. Its going to be a bloody battle.
- 06-10-2008, 12:42 PM #57
As far as getting a phone call is concerned I wonder how they will be able to work that because I would love to be able to do both at the same time but if not it could at least save your route in memory then bring it right back once you open it back up.
- 06-10-2008, 01:23 PM #58
There is little to compare TomTom 3G to TelNav on AT&T phones. The TelNav application runs in the network. It may use an on-board GPS chip if the phone has one but does not rely upon it. If there is no on-board chip, the TelNav application will get location data from the local cell. This solution is much less precise than with an on-board GPS.
The TelNav solution is sold as a service, which runs on a server, while TomTom is sold as software and maps that will run on the iPhone 3G. Sparse users of navigation may prefer the pay-as-you-go service while habitual users may prefer the investment in software. The AT&T/TelNav solution will run, w/o modification or porting to, on the iPhone 3G. TomTom is quoted by Reuters as saying they already have their software running on the iPhone and that they intend to offer it as a product.
One last distinction is that the TelNav solution does not require on-board storage for maps and points-of-interest. The TomTom One uses a total of 2gigs of storage for the software and all the navigation data for the US and Canada. I use less than that on my Treo but must manage the data. While TomTom periodically updates their maps, your maps may not be as current as the TelNav maps.
In any case, AT&T cannot resist, or charge me for, my use of TomTom or any other on-board application. There will be no blood, only normal competition between solutions with different advantages.
Last edited by whmurray; 06-10-2008 at 01:27 PM.
- 06-10-2008, 05:26 PM #59
I agree at&t has no say over what software we use that was my point I was responding to patcom8 comment about apple not letting him use anything other than telanav on his BB. And yes I do use a BT GPS reciever on the treo and also was able to fit the program and all US maps onto a 1 gig flash card.
As far as tomtom not having as up to date maps that is true but they are discussing the option of giving free updates to maps for the life of your phone for other platforms so hopefully they do the same with the iPhone.
- 06-10-2008, 08:34 PM #60
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- 06-10-2008, 10:45 PM #62
I'd like to buy a software (from Garmin?) that will reproduce the Nuvi interface, with maps downloaded on the fly, voice directions, POI from the internet, constantly updated traffic.
Basically I want to avoid having to buy a PND.
I am assuming that this will be cheaper than buying a Nuvi, as Garmin saves the cost of hardware and possibly maps, if they use Google Maps as the source of their maps.
- 06-11-2008, 10:23 AM #63
Just saw this on Electronista about GPS navigation software:Apple may be attempting to block competition when it comes to GPS navigation on the iPhone, developers have observed. In the most recent version of the iPhone SDK, Section 3.3.7 of the license agreement tells users that "applications may not be designed or marketed for real time route guidance; automatic or autonomous control of vehicles, aircraft, or other mechanical devices; dispatch or fleet management; or emergency or life-saving purposes.
- 06-11-2008, 10:28 AM #64
The issue there is they don't want to get sued when someone gets killed, not that they don't want competition. Note that the iphone OS is not a real-time OS, and thus is inherently unsafe for use in places where a real-time OS is required.
question is, what is "real-time route guidance?" If they mean "real-time" in the vernacular, rather than technical, sense, then there may be something to the competition paranoia. The automatic or autonomous control.... etc. is obvious. The iphone is not designed with that sort of purpose in mind, and using it in that way would inevitibly lead to death and destruction.
- 06-11-2008, 10:33 AM #65
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- 06-11-2008, 10:39 AM #67
- 06-11-2008, 10:42 AM #68
Real-time OS's are a special kind of OS usually used in things like nav systems, industrial machines, automobile controllers, medical equipment, etc.
They make sure that instructions and processes always operate on a fixed schedule, rather than allowing interrupts, garbage collection, recalcitrant threads and the like to change the amount of time it takes for things to happen.
Wind River, QNX, VxWorks, etc. are examples.
What you don't want in such situations is an OS that will pause every once in awhile to do things other than the foreground process, which is exactly what os x does.
See, e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_time_operating_system
- 06-11-2008, 10:44 AM #69
Lawyers tend to be pretty precise in the words they use in contracts and agreements, so it's not clear to me that the lawyers didn't mean the technical term.
- 06-11-2008, 10:45 AM #70
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- 06-11-2008, 12:16 PM #74
Didn't take too long for Engadget a Gizmodo to get articles up:
Engadget makes some interesting points:Apple's always been known for its amusingly-conservative disclaimers (you can't use iTunes to "design a nuclear weapon," for example) and it looks like the products-liability team at the Fruit has had their way with the iPhone SDK agreement as well, inserting a provision specifically prohibiting developers from creating apps "marketed for real time route guidance; automatic or autonomous control of vehicles, aircraft, or other mechanical devices; dispatch or fleet management; or emergency or life-saving purposes." Yep, that's right -- no real-time route guidance (or, uh, fleet management) allowed. That'd be a huge bummer -- except, of course, that TomTom has already come out and said that its app is ready to go on the iPhone. Assuming TomTom used the SDK and not the jailbreak toolchain, we'd bet that Apple is just covering its *** here and that it's worked out an agreement with TomTom to pass along any liability -- you can bet Steve doesn't want to get sued when iPhone users start careening into sandpiles and into oncoming trains. We'll see for sure when the App Store finally launches, though -- until then, it's all just cheap speculation.
Update: Astute commenter Austin points out that these terms are copied almost word-for-word from the Google Maps API terms -- which means that TomTom and others are probably free to use their own maps to do real-time guidance.
- 06-11-2008, 02:27 PM #75