1. Chrisy's Avatar
    Nope. It's not cool with me. I use the 3.5 jack to play music in my car on trip. I also use it to have GPS navigation run through my car speakers. With both of those apps running, and considering the length of my road trips, I need to also have the phone charging. Even on shorter trips, I have my phone charging so that when I arrive I have a fully charged battery. With this new system, you cannot have your phone charging AND have it plugged into AUX for music at the same time. Poor.
    Kastellen likes this.
    09-09-2016 05:49 AM
  2. garfieldthecat's Avatar
    Apple is first and foremost, a business, and we are the consumers. A business will always do what's in its own best interest
    Of course.
    while balancing the appeal of their products and services to the consumers, as a whole. Every business knows that it will NEVER please EVERYONE so it weighs what would please or affect MOST. The removal of the earphone jack will not have a negative affect on MOST.
    No. What you have said does not apply in this case. Thinner phone vs bigger battery is one example where you cannot please everyone and must strike a balance. Jack or no jack is not. Leaving the jack in does not cause any inconvenience to those who do not use it; removing it causes lots of inconvenience to the many who use it. The disadvantages are clear (I’m not going to repeat myself listing them again); the advantages are not (in fact, I don’t think there is any).

    We disagree on the usefulness of the jack - fine; but can we at least agree that there is no 'innovation' behind the decision of removing it? If there is, no one has yet explained exactly what it is!
    Kastellen likes this.
    09-09-2016 05:58 AM
  3. aveage_asianguy's Avatar
    i don't think it's possible for me as i will be not comfortable with it
    09-09-2016 06:08 AM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Of course.

    No. What you have said does not apply in this case. Thinner phone vs bigger battery is one example where you cannot please everyone and must strike a balance. Jack or no jack is not. Leaving the jack in does not cause any inconvenience to those who do not use it; removing it causes lots of inconvenience to the many who use it. The disadvantages are clear (I’m not going to repeat myself listing them again); the advantages are not (in fact, I don’t think there is any).

    We disagree on the usefulness of the jack - fine;
    Thank you.
    but can we at least agree that there is no 'innovation' behind the decision of removing it? If there is, no one has yet explained exactly what it is!
    To innovate is to think creatively. Having said that, the simple removal of the earphone jack is, by definition, innovative. What you "seem to want" is an explanation to why they chose to remove it other than what was explained at the keynote, of which you reject. I cannot provide that explanation. Anyway, I've got to go to work. Have a great day.
    Last edited by Just_Me_D; 09-09-2016 at 08:03 PM.
    areyes163 likes this.
    09-09-2016 06:44 AM
  5. robertk328's Avatar
    I'm OK with no headphone jack. The lightning solution seems fine and this may give me a push to pick up some Bluetooth headphones.
    This is how I feel.

    Is it ideal? No, but I got bigger stuff to worry about (including but not limited to 11/8 but that's another thread) that the change is nothing I'll be spending any time on. I'll look at the feature set and decide if the phone is right for me. If not, I'll get something else. Truth be told, I prefer the iPhone due to how it works with all my other stuff, so I'll make it work, and not lose any sleep over it.
    Ariza16 likes this.
    09-09-2016 07:07 AM
  6. robertk328's Avatar
    Just got the Bose last week. Awesome headphones!!
    I need to find some that aren't big cans like that. I use headphones all the time, but have been wanting wireless because I get them caught in stuff (laptop bag, drawer in the kitchen when my phone is in my pocket, etc.)

    I've seen mention of the Powerbeats but 1) not sure I want beats and 2) not sure about the durability of those models based on reviews.

    I'll start looking in other threads
    09-09-2016 07:08 AM
  7. garfieldthecat's Avatar
    I need to find some that aren't big cans like that. I use headphones all the time, but have been wanting wireless because I get them caught in stuff (laptop bag, drawer in the kitchen when my phone is in my pocket, etc.)
    Just one quick comment: be sure you are comfortable with the level of sound isolation of the headphones you choose. Many offer good isolation, which means good sound quality, but can be dangerous depending on circumstances (eg you walk down the street and don't hear incoming traffic). The plantronics backbeat fit are bluetooth but have an open design which lets in some background noise.
    09-09-2016 07:11 AM
  8. Simeon Herbert's Avatar
    Yes about time!
    09-09-2016 07:12 AM
  9. iGlide's Avatar
    I have been reading on this subject and it got me thinking... Hmmm, When exactly was the last time I used the 3.5m jack on my iPhone for anything?
    and furthermore, Where is it located..JK. BT integration has never been a problem for me so I certainly will not miss it! And i hate running and walking with cords attached anyways!
    09-09-2016 07:16 AM
  10. Pallav Chakraborty's Avatar
    They are forcing us to remain locked to crApple forever.
    09-09-2016 07:16 AM
  11. robertk328's Avatar
    They are forcing us to remain locked to crApple forever.
    Not at all. You can buy something else
    Rob Phillips likes this.
    09-09-2016 07:20 AM
  12. zestypepper's Avatar
    I need to find some that aren't big cans like that. I use headphones all the time, but have been wanting wireless because I get them caught in stuff (laptop bag, drawer in the kitchen when my phone is in my pocket, etc.)

    I've seen mention of the Powerbeats but 1) not sure I want beats and 2) not sure about the durability of those models based on reviews.

    I'll start looking in other threads
    I have headphones that serve different purposes. I have Powerbeats 2 for gym/workout. I use the Bose QC 35 for pretty much everything else - desk at work, desk at home, airplane trips, etc. The Powerbeats are very durable. There are so many options out there in bluetooth headphones. I am sure you will find something. Study the reviews on everything before you buy.
    09-09-2016 07:31 AM
  13. Jenna Ley's Avatar
    I am a little annoyed about that, but I don't listen to music while charging most of the time.
    09-09-2016 07:42 AM
  14. aokusman1's Avatar
    It's not an issue for me. I have a 6s and use it with Bluetooth headphones anyway.
    09-09-2016 07:48 AM
  15. Trigueira's Avatar
    It makes perfect sense and i can see Apple going back to it's original DNA ... well done
    09-09-2016 08:20 AM
  16. spiff_p239's Avatar
    I can't remember the last time that I used wired headphones so I won't miss it at all.
    09-09-2016 08:24 AM
  17. scruffypig's Avatar
    Apple removed analogue video output when they moved to the Lightning port. People weren't all up in arms about that.
    09-09-2016 09:25 AM
  18. garfieldthecat's Avatar
    Apple removed analogue video output when they moved to the Lightning port. People weren't all up in arms about that.
    Maybe because analogue video output was not as widely used as the audio jack?
    aokusman1 likes this.
    09-09-2016 09:26 AM
  19. Scootsd's Avatar
    The only issue is when you want to charge and use wired headphones, I.e. While flying. Of course Belkin made the dongle and others will follow, but cables in top of cables on top of cables. Apple should have done wireless charging this year.
    Chrisy likes this.
    09-09-2016 09:30 AM
  20. Paul Kityo's Avatar
    I connect my iPhone to speakers through the audio Jack... will miss it. But as they say "Change is inevitable"
    robertk328 likes this.
    09-09-2016 11:46 AM
  21. HollowGrapeJ98's Avatar
    Yes, I'm ok with it. I'll just use the ear pods with lightning connector. Air Pods are questionable though. I'm not yet sure if those are worth more than other headphones. 🤔
    09-09-2016 12:48 PM
  22. Craig's Avatar
    It boggles my mind that this is an issue. You can still use the regular headset with an adapter (free) or get more later and have them attached to every standard audio device you own. Is it because there is no "Bendgate" this year, people need something to whine over?

    Apple is a business, first and foremost. It's a good business decision on their part. For income, profit, and dependability. Not even counting removing a chunk space to expand things like the taptic engine and battery.

    If you're not happy, I have an unlocked Razr somewhere around here, I can let it go for a good price!
    09-09-2016 01:18 PM
  23. trtmazda3's Avatar
    I don't like it because I use cheap Skullcandy headphones at work to stream Spotify, and if my 6 Plus' battery gets low, I plug it in to my power bank and keep on listening. Now, to do that with a 7 Plus, I'd have to buy an adapter of some sort. Just seems like they made a critical part of the phone (listening to music) more difficult. I'm not an audiophile, though, so I doubt I'd notice any difference in sound quality.
    09-09-2016 02:32 PM
  24. scruffypig's Avatar
    Maybe because analogue video output was not as widely used as the audio jack?
    That seems fair. I am glad that apple at least includes a headphone jack adaptor. I still have my Apple lightning port 30 pin adaptor that has a DAC inside. I use it with my car stereo. I will still use that with the 7, if I update.
    09-09-2016 02:37 PM
  25. scruffypig's Avatar
    I don't like it because I use cheap Skullcandy headphones at work to stream Spotify, and if my 6 Plus' battery gets low, I plug it in to my power bank and keep on listening. Now, to do that with a 7 Plus, I'd have to buy an adapter of some sort. Just seems like they made a critical part of the phone (listening to music) more difficult. I'm not an audiophile, though, so I doubt I'd notice any difference in sound quality.
    Apple is including the headphone adaptor with purchase of the new iPhone. You are good with your existing earphones. I agree, that it sucks to have to buy another adaptor, but I am sure they will be down in price by the time I get around to the 7.
    09-09-2016 02:39 PM
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