1. aokusman1's Avatar
    So you need an adapter to listen to music and if anything happens to that adaptor you need to buy a new one? If the phone is charging in a car or plugged into a battery pack you can't listen to music.
    Obviously if the person buys the phone they are willing to live with that. How is that a problem?
    09-10-2016 12:08 PM
  2. robertk328's Avatar
    How large were the jacks Apple was using? O_o
    How much space is inside an iPhone 6 for all that stuff? Battery, camera, motherboard, speakers, earpiece, power switch, volume switch, ring/silent switch, screen, etc.?
    What is this?-sub-buzz-30718-1473102108-1.jpg

    It was holding us back from a number of things we wanted to put into the iPhone, Riccio says. It was fighting for space with camera technologies and processors and battery life. And frankly, when theres a better, modern solution available, its crazy to keep it around.

    That's a quote from an article I read, quoting Dan Riccio, Apples senior vice president of hardware engineering (been with Apple since 1998)
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    09-10-2016 12:51 PM
  3. Craig's Avatar
    There has NEVER been a release in my mind where someone did not find something to B**** about... from Bendgate to changing charging methods to this. Each release someone will complain and start something on why Apple is evil and screwing over their customers. Yet, phone = sold out (basically).. If/when the 8 comes out.. and it's (hopefully) radically different, we will hear about that. Why mess with a good phone, the 6 / 7 design was perfect, damn you apple, why are you doing this to us.. No matter how much good stuff happens, people will find the one item they don't like and drive as many nails into the coffin as possible. Just human nature I guess?
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    09-10-2016 01:40 PM
  4. dchandler's Avatar
    There has NEVER been a release in my mind where someone did not find something to B**** about... from Bendgate to changing charging methods to this. Each release someone will complain and start something on why Apple is evil and screwing over their customers. Yet, phone = sold out (basically).. If/when the 8 comes out.. and it's (hopefully) radically different, we will hear about that. Why mess with a good phone, the 6 / 7 design was perfect, damn you apple, why are you doing this to us.. No matter how much good stuff happens, people will find the one item they don't like and drive as many nails into the coffin as possible. Just human nature I guess?
    I'm with you on this one, every year someone has something to complain about, it's to the point now that I just go off of my needs.
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    09-10-2016 01:48 PM
  5. Craig's Avatar
    I'm with you on this one, every year someone has something to complain about, it's to the point now that I just go off of my needs.
    I go off my wife's needs Makes my life easier.. she wants my iPhone 6 --- there you go.. iPhone 7 on it's way for me... tada! LOL
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    09-10-2016 02:03 PM
  6. kch50428's Avatar
    There was a similar to now plaintive wail when the 30pin port was dropped, and knickers were knotted, and forums were replete with it would be the end of the iPhone, and Apple... we all know how that turned out now don't we?
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    09-10-2016 03:03 PM
  7. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    There was a similar to now plaintive wail when the 30pin port was dropped, and knickers were knotted, and forums were replete with it would be the end of the iPhone, and Apple... we all know how that turned out now don't we?
    They changed the size of the charging port, not force everyone to use the headphone jack to listen to music and charge the iPhone... There's a difference between changing the type of charging port vs removing a port all together.
    09-10-2016 10:48 PM
  8. Craig's Avatar
    They changed the size of the charging port, not force everyone to use the headphone jack to listen to music and charge the iPhone... There's a difference between changing the type of charging port vs removing a port all together.
    Not really, not when they're still giving you a very simple option to still use your legacy devices.
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    09-10-2016 11:01 PM
  9. kch50428's Avatar
    Not really, not when they're still giving you a very simple option to still use your legacy devices.
    Change is difficult for some...
    09-11-2016 06:23 AM
  10. Craig's Avatar
    Change is difficult for some...
    One of my favorite quotes... applies here :-)

    Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.
    George Bernard Shaw
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    09-11-2016 07:36 AM
  11. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    They changed the size of the charging port, not force everyone to use the headphone jack to listen to music and charge the iPhone... There's a difference between changing the type of charging port vs removing a port all together.
    I bet when Apple moved the power button from the top to the side, and iOS7's "flat" design really rocked your world too ...
    Point being ... Apple's still here and so are you ...
    09-11-2016 07:42 AM
  12. dchandler's Avatar
    I bet when Apple moved the power button from the top to the side, and iOS7's "flat" design really rocked your world too ...
    Point being ... Apple's still here and so are you ...
    To be honest when the moves the power button people complained and cried the same way they are doing now about the headphone jack.
    09-11-2016 08:13 AM
  13. Craig's Avatar
    To be honest when the moves the power button people complained and cried the same way they are doing now about the headphone jack.
    To be 100% honest.. I still wind up adjusting my sound "often" when I just want to turn off the phone. Just the way my hands hold the phone. Still irks me a bit.
    09-11-2016 08:28 AM
  14. dchandler's Avatar
    To be 100% honest.. I still wind up adjusting my sound "often" when I just want to turn off the phone. Just the way my hands hold the phone. Still irks me a bit.
    How is that when the power button is in a different side from the volume lol
    09-11-2016 08:30 AM
  15. Craig's Avatar
    How is that when the power button is in a different side from the volume lol
    Because when it's in my left hand and I use my fingers to turn off the power, seems my thumb is always on the volume. So the volume is a softer rocker and I adjust the volume.
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    09-11-2016 10:57 AM
  16. dchandler's Avatar
    Because when it's in my left hand and I use my fingers to turn off the power, seems my thumb is always on the volume. So the volume is a softer rocker and I adjust the volume.
    Oh yeah I can see how that would make you press the wrong button
    09-11-2016 10:59 AM
  17. jj2339's Avatar
    I see nobody addressed the person who mentioned aux in for car stereo connectivity. My old vehicle didn't have BT stereo, so I used an aux-in for audio and charged via the Lightning portal so I could use gps. This is probably the biggest use case for charging and listening to music while using gps at the same time. Now my jeep lets me use BT so that won't be an issue, but we travel a lot and use rental cars, so when we are doing that in the future, that is no longer possible. This totally puts any future iPhones out of consideration for me, I can't be in the middle of nowhere and have my gps fail because the phone dies.

    By dropping the jack, they have removed something without truly adding anything of value. I guess they have stereo speakers now, but shoot, I remember when htc had their boomsound speakers how dismissive Apple fans were at stereo on a phone. Course now it's a bold move fwd.

    I get that Apple can't satisfy all constituents, but this change is going to push me back to android. I doubt I am alone. And I was all ready to upgrade to the plus.
    09-11-2016 11:30 AM
  18. jaleelhamid's Avatar
    Because they removed the head phone jack it was easy to install stereo speakers and make the phone water proof easier and finally get rid of the clicking home button i am happy with what they did
    09-11-2016 11:47 AM
  19. jj2339's Avatar
    The waterproofing is a bogus excuse, other phones have jacks and superior waterproofing scores.

    To me it's a cash grab to get more beats Bluetooth sales, and lightning proprietary charges on manufacturers using that port.
    09-11-2016 11:56 AM
  20. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    Not really, not when they're still giving you a very simple option to still use your legacy devices.
    Change is difficult for some...
    Its not simple when you have to carry another adapter around with you.
    09-11-2016 11:57 AM
  21. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    I bet when Apple moved the power button from the top to the side, and iOS7's "flat" design really rocked your world too ...
    Point being ... Apple's still here and so are you ...
    The power button was MOVED not REMOVED. Try reaching the top of your ~ 5" phone to turn it off... Kinda hard isn't it? Moving it to the side made it more accessible. iOS 7 was a cool update that just changed the way things looked and actually made iOS more useful. I was talking about the headphone port, not Apple's past decisions. I actually supported those decisions since they were actually good.
    09-11-2016 12:01 PM
  22. kch50428's Avatar
    Its not simple when you have to carry another adapter around with you.
    If you're already carrying the wired headphones, leaving the adapter on the end of the wire is negligible...
    09-11-2016 12:19 PM
  23. Craig's Avatar
    Its not simple when you have to carry another adapter around with you.
    It is... as everyone has said, and I have posted in other forums.. just clip it to your wired headset and leave it there. They're only $9, so if you have two main devices that use the old port, you're out $9, since one comes with the phone. I have about a dozen headsets everywhere. I have two Bose that I use a lot, one on my desk at home, one on my desk at work. I will spend the $9. When they switched from the 30-pin to the Lightning I had to spend like $100 to get a bunch of new cables. That was a bigger deal.
    09-11-2016 01:25 PM
  24. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    If you're already carrying the wired headphones, leaving the adapter on the end of the wire is negligible...
    To be honest, Apple is probably going to release a version of the SE with a headphone jack.
    09-11-2016 02:43 PM
  25. Tartarus's Avatar
    To be honest, Apple is probably going to release a version of the SE with a headphone jack.
    People will start complaining about that too. Then they will say they got used to the idea of no jack and bigger battery and better camera or Taptic Engine.

    What I mean to say is: if you wanna complain you can complain about anything.
    09-11-2016 02:46 PM
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