1. John Yester's Avatar
    09-14-2016 01:45 PM
  2. MonkeyJunky's Avatar
    lol, awww, a professional photographer did a full documentary and right up about the new iPhone 7's camera with optical zoom. According to some on this forum, this guy is just misinformed and has "no idea what he's talking about, frankly". Oh well, there's always someone out there that "knows" better than anyone else, regardless of fact.
    09-14-2016 06:41 PM
  3. reeneebob's Avatar
    It feels like some have a full time job complaining about everything they hate about their existing iPhones, what sucks about the new one, which begs the question...

    Why on earth are they still using it?
    09-14-2016 06:48 PM
  4. Craig's Avatar
    lol, awww, a professional photographer did a full documentary and right up about the new iPhone 7's camera with optical zoom. According to some on this forum, this guy is just misinformed and has "no idea what he's talking about, frankly". Oh well, there's always someone out there that "knows" better than anyone else, regardless of fact.
    I have been a pro-photographer for a long time... quit for Corporate in the 90s, was doing Rock & Roll Photography in the 80s, owned Rock & Roll Rarities... some fun times, from hanging out with Kiss & Cheap Trick, to watching jam sessions at Stevie Nick's house, but long story with my ex-wife, running off with the $$$ from the biz, etc.. after Corporate I missed it, and went back into Portrait photography as a hobby, got another studio, and closed it last June after my wife lost her job.. we took a new career directions managing properties, so we can spend more time together, as we get older.

    All that being said, I have been around a LOT of cameras, good ones, bad ones, etc.

    I will make 2-points and only two at this time.

    1. I would rather work with a Good Photographer who has a bad camera, than a Bad Photographer with a good camera.
    2. The Camera on the iPhone 7 is/will be amazing and the 7+ even more so... so learn to take good photos regardless of camera. Learn composition, learn lighting, learn posing. There is little you can't do with the iPhone 7 / 7+ cameras.

    Let people whine / complain and the b-word. Enjoy the camera, take great pictures, have lovely memories and most importantly... laugh a bit.

    :-)
    09-14-2016 08:35 PM
  5. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    1. I would rather work with a Good Photographer who has a bad camera, than a Bad Photographer with a good camera.
    This is what it ultimately comes down to. Just look at your Instagram feed and check out the amateur photos people take. Some people have a knack for photo-taking and some don't. I've seen better pictures from a 5S than I have from a 6S.
    Craig likes this.
    09-15-2016 12:55 AM
  6. SprSynJn's Avatar
    "In terms of quality, I found the the 2x zoom lens to be equally as sharp as the iPhone wide-angle were accustomed to. However, I do not recommend the digital zoom beyond 2x. The quality of digital zoom degrades quickly and I find it unusable for photography (although its actually kind of nice as an animal spotting tool)."

    Well maybe that will cause some of you to rethink trading in your cameras.
    09-15-2016 01:15 AM
  7. MonkeyJunky's Avatar
    Digital zoom has never and, in my opinion, WILL never be a legitimate option because of the nature of how it creates a magnified picture. They didn't really focus on it in the keynote because they knew that digital zoom is still an almost pointless feature for legitimate photos.
    09-15-2016 10:59 AM
  8. Matty's Avatar
    The iPhone 7 keeps the 12-megapixel camera, but adds a larger aperture. Along with optical image stabilization that keeps images steadier. But the iPhone 7 Plus gets a second, 56mm telephoto lens w/ built-in zoom feature. I can't wait to see what I can do with this thing!!!!

    i couldn't be more excited to test some out in the store. ill probably just stand there for a couple minutes zooming in and out lol.
    Also quite excited to test out the low light capabilities. Going from a F2.2 to a F1.8 must do something
    09-15-2016 11:55 AM
  9. John Yester's Avatar
    09-23-2016 10:40 PM
  10. C6TX6's Avatar
    Portrait mode needs a LOT of work. I can see why it's beta. It gets confused rather easily with finer details (flowers in the wind), etc.
    This software background de-focus could easily be implemented on the 7 as well. Samsung has had it for a while now in their software and it works pretty well. And you don't need to be as far away from the subject.
    09-25-2016 06:59 AM
  11. John Yester's Avatar
    Ya I don't know much about it yet but the 8 feet rule is annoying. Yet it won't allow anything close to work either.
    09-25-2016 04:23 PM
  12. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Portrait mode needs a LOT of work. I can see why it's beta. It gets confused rather easily with finer details (flowers in the wind), etc.
    This software background de-focus could easily be implemented on the 7 as well. Samsung has had it for a while now in their software and it works pretty well. And you don't need to be as far away from the subject.
    Send them a report on it in the feedback app.
    09-25-2016 05:10 PM
  13. dstrauss's Avatar
    1. "Optical Zoom" is not the real issue - the 2x lens is really like the the top end of most standard length lens you get with the base level DSLR - (usually 18-55 or so, variable f stop) - your portrait lens so to speak.

    2. "Digital Zoom" - I know digital zoom is a "no-no" in any professional setting, but those 10x zooms that Serenity took with the iP7+ sure looked a ton better than any other 10x "digital" zooms I've seen in the past, with much more detail and definition. Pay particular attention the the red buoy in the lake picture.
    09-26-2016 11:42 AM
  14. C6TX6's Avatar
    Digital zoom has never and, in my opinion, WILL never be a legitimate option because of the nature of how it creates a magnified picture. They didn't really focus on it in the keynote because they knew that digital zoom is still an almost pointless feature for legitimate photos.
    It's always better to use the lens at unity and crop in post editing as needed.

    However, with 4K, one can get away with digital zoom up (theoretically) 4X and still not see too much degradation when the output is re-encoded at 1080. There's all kinds of tricks and technique at play here. And in those situations where you must see something closer on screen, it does come in handy.
    09-28-2016 12:20 PM
  15. dstrauss's Avatar
    Digital zoom has never and, in my opinion, WILL never be a legitimate option because of the nature of how it creates a magnified picture. They didn't really focus on it in the keynote because they knew that digital zoom is still an almost pointless feature for legitimate photos.
    UPDATED (to add 1x original to see how much zoom you are getting at 10x with both lenses)

    I respectfully disagree when it comes to the dual lens setup. Just look at the difference in Serenity's full crop vs 10x images between the wide angle lens crop and the combined digital zoom - the zooms are night and day better. Is that really the right solution - no - but I DON'T want to hang a dongle off the lens for true optical telephoto, and I'm not going to carry my Nikon everywhere I go.
    Attached Thumbnails Let's talk cameras-iphone-7-plus-runner-1x.jpg   Let's talk cameras-iphone-7-runner-full.jpg   Let's talk cameras-iphone-7-plus-runner-10x.jpg  
    Last edited by dstrauss; 09-29-2016 at 10:14 PM.
    09-28-2016 02:13 PM
  16. Teemu2's Avatar
    Just in case anyone hasn't come across this yet, but if the light is low, the 2x shooting mode will revert to the wide angle lens and digitally zoom to 2x rather than switch to the 2x lens.

    It looks like the phone is prioritizing lower ISO (with the f/1.8 lens) over optical zoom and higher ISO (with the f/2.8 lens). The only way to know this is happening is by checking the EXIF for the aperture used.

    I think this is another example of Apple saving you from you. The only solution so far is to shoot RAW. This allows you to explicitly set the lens you want.
    wibawad likes this.
    09-29-2016 01:46 PM
  17. flyinion's Avatar
    Just in case anyone hasn't come across this yet, but if the light is low, the 2x shooting mode will revert to the wide angle lens and digitally zoom to 2x rather than switch to the 2x lens.

    It looks like the phone is prioritizing lower ISO (with the f/1.8 lens) over optical zoom and higher ISO (with the f/2.8 lens). The only way to know this is happening is by checking the EXIF for the aperture used.

    I think this is another example of Apple saving you from you. The only solution so far is to shoot RAW. This allows you to explicitly set the lens you want.
    You don't have to shoot raw. ProCamera https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/proc...mUvbUpU2824678 will let you choose which lens to use and you can choose whichever file format you want when selecting an individual lens. You can also choose "hybrid" which I guess uses both lenses, but that doesn't allow for a RAW image.
    09-29-2016 01:59 PM
  18. Teemu2's Avatar
    You don't have to shoot raw. ProCamera https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/proc...mUvbUpU2824682 will let you choose which lens to use and you can choose whichever file format you want when selecting an individual lens. You can also choose "hybrid" which I guess uses both lenses, but that doesn't allow for a RAW image.
    Ok. I guess I should have said that you need to shoot with an app other than the built in Camera.app.

    I still find it misleading. One of the big pluses of getting the Plus was having two lenses for optical zoom.
    09-29-2016 02:06 PM
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