1. firstborn80's Avatar
    We get it...there has never been a change like this ever before and it was silly of Apple to make this change because some people wouldn't like it. How could this company ever make a change that would ruin so many lives?! How could they? What would make them think this is ok when there are a hundred different smartphones out there that I could choose from? How can they make me choose what works for me? I want to spend my money with them but this change is just over the top! I can't deal with it!

    We get it!!!

    Anyone have Tim Cook's number? I want to send him an iMessage!
    09-10-2016 09:33 PM
  2. Nargg's Avatar
    Anyone have Tim Cook's number? I want to send him an iMessage!
    LOL. Good post. Let me know if you come across his number, I'll help out.

    It was noise like this that made Apple finally make a "Plus" size phone by the way.... Think of it that way. (also noise that brought back the smaller SE version. Apple can be convinced to change course.)
    09-10-2016 09:35 PM
  3. Nargg's Avatar
    firstborn80. Your post made me think more. (PS, I get the sarcasm) People did complain when the 6 and 6 plus originally came out. Barely a few though, but some understood their rant on losing a much smaller phone like the 5 series. Not everyone needs a bigger screen. Apple did reverse their course and re-introduced the SE model with the same screen size as before, but based on mostly upgraded parts that also adorned the 6s at the time.

    Apple can be convinced to change course. I'm 100% sure of that. Will they do that here? Only the noise will matter. Thanks to the iMore team for allowing that to be voiced here by me and others.
    09-10-2016 09:46 PM
  4. John Yester's Avatar
    Apple had the larger version of iPhone created before people wanted it, trust me.... That are 3+ years ahead of what comes next.

    To your above reply. People that do not agree with others, WILL always take any reply as negative. That it as you want, trust me I have seen it before on all the forums. I have been around since 2007 and seen different companies take different avenues in positive and negative directions.. It happens...... But nobody is going after YOU. they are giving you a general statement on their OWN view as well. It should be respected both ways wether you agree or if you do not. If you choose to move to another device, thats cool as well, what ever works for you and you only.
    09-10-2016 09:48 PM
  5. Tartarus's Avatar
    Not exactly. The "Wireless only" side is bashing on the other even though they lose nothing either way. They lose out no matter what at this point. IMHO they have no argument at all in this. The "Wire" side is on the losing end. They lost a good feature that didn't need to go. I don't get why you don't get that. Unless you are being obstinate and pushy like them. Disrespecting those that are losing out. Not a good place for a moderator. You keep pushing back relentlessly too. You are no better, IMHO. And, Life? Really? Is it that deep for you? Is other's loss good for your life? Wow.
    With technology evolving, the wired side had already started losing. Apple just gave the ultimate push for other manufacturers to do the same and go wireless. Nobody can predict what HTC, Samsung, BlackBerry, Nokia and all the other manufacturers are gonna do in the next two years in regard to the headphone jack. Apple will be mentioned as the frontier of this movement, that is for sure.

    See it as the big brother giving a jammed door a nudge so the little boy can go through. Apple is the big brother and the rest are his little brothers in this scenario.

    Make no mistake, convulsively hanging on to the 3.5mm jack must not be considered as listening to your customers but rather as hindering evolution.

    What might seem as a loss now, will be hailed as a success sooner than later than you think.
    Last edited by Tartarus; 09-10-2016 at 10:00 PM.
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    09-10-2016 09:48 PM
  6. firstborn80's Avatar
    LOL. Good post. Let me know if you come across his number, I'll help out.

    It was noise like this that made Apple finally make a "Plus" size phone by the way.... Think of it that way.
    I was being facetious. I'm not looking for Tim Cook's number or any assistance in obtaining it.

    Actually I've already figured out a workaround for no 3.5 jack. I only listen to music or whatever and charge my phone when I'm sitting at my desk at work, so I'll just buy a dock and plug my existing EarPods in that. It'll stay on my desk. Hey I can afford a $900 phone so spending another $40/50 on a dock won't kill me. Problem solved for me!
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    09-10-2016 09:49 PM
  7. nnahorski's Avatar
    Much anger. Many people mad. Interwebs are angry. Headphone jack. I love lamp!
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    09-10-2016 09:59 PM
  8. Nargg's Avatar
    With technology evolving, the wired side had already started to lose. Apple just gave the ultimate push for other manufacturers to do the same and go wireless. Nobody can predict what HTC, Samsung, BlackBerry, Nokia and all the other manufacturers are gonna do in the next two years in regard to the headphone jack. Apple will be mentioned as the frontier of this movement, that is for sure.

    See it as the big brother giving a jammed door a nudge so the little boy can go through. Apple is the big brother and the rest are his little brothers in this scenario.

    Make no mistake, convulsively hanging on to the 3.5mm jack must not be considered as listening to your customers but rather as hindering evolution.

    What might seem as a loss now, will be hailed as a success sooner than later than you think.
    Evolution sometimes kills of a species off by the way...

    WiFi's been around for a long time. Why do so many non-mobile devices still contain an RJ-45 port? Because not everyone needs or uses WiFi in every situation. A better wired connection would be a considerable choice for Apple, but instead they removed it completely without consideration for a proper equal and better replacement. All attempts they provided so far are more cumbersome and more difficult to obtain and maintain. Bluetooth has evolved quite a bit, and will continue to do so which is great. I'm still surprised AirPlay didn't take off farther than it did, providing a better solution to connectivity to playback devices with fewer problems and difficulties. But it seems that is dying somewhat, or at the best just stagnating in the market.

    If there was a better non-battery requiring, high maintenance connectivity solution already in play with wide acceptance, then the removal of this jack would be more acceptable. Like other "old technology" removals of past that this has been compared to. They all had exceptional replacements in higher use than the components they replaced. The analog audio jack has no replacement of the same quality and ease of use available as of yet and remains in high use for audio and other purposes. Wireless is not the perfect solution for the masses as a whole. Neither are gimpy solutions with adapters that will confuse and be problematic. When wireless works, and it does for many, it's awesome. But beyond sound, there are so many uses for wired connectivity, it's not subject for removal without problems. Even the most simple computers, like the Raspberry Pi, as analog ports and jacks and pins are there to use for things that just don't work well any other way. Apple took a chance, no doubt. From my rants, here and from so many other blogs, videos, posts and even highly regarded evening news agencies, it is obvious this was a bad move. Apple will either succumb to the noise, or build a strong reason for the iOS platform to subside as a viable choice in the market. I fear the latter, and hope it will not happen.
    09-10-2016 10:06 PM
  9. Murpheee's Avatar
    My issue is that I use my phone as my GPS unit in my car, and I connect it to the car's speakers through a 3.5mm to 3.5mm plug. I also charge it through the lightning connector to the 12v socket as Waze sucks a lot of juice from my phone. My car is not equipped with Bluetooth or wireless speakers, so those options are useless for me in this situation.

    I don't think an adapter can cope with both of those but I would dearly love to be proved wrong, of course.

    In my car, if a manufacturer does produce a suitable adapter, it would be fine as that can permanently stay in situ. Whilst walking about though, an adapter is just another thing to get lost, so i'm less pleased.

    Honestly, switching from 3.5mm jack to lightning, I doubt the audio fidelity will be increased enough for the average listener to notice any actual difference... I expect one leading reason for jack removal is to reclaim space inside the case.

    Over the coming weeks, I shall keep my ears open for any news of an adapter that will allow me to charge my phone and also let me use a 3.5mm jack. If none is forthcoming, I shall switch my phone to Android and go on my merry way.

    As I have said many times on here, I swear no allegiance to any manufacturer. I am neither an iSheep nor a Fandroid and will use whichever phone best suits my requirements. It may be that my love affair with the iPhone is at an end.

    Time will tell.
    There is an adapter to charge AND have the 3.5mm jack option. It was featured on imore (not this forum but the imore news app) I will look for it and post it here. It looks similar to the lighting to HDMI adapter but it is for charging and using the 3.5mm jack simultaneously.
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    09-10-2016 10:12 PM
  10. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    There is an adapter to charge AND have the 3.5mm jack option. It was featured on imore (not this forum but the imore news app) I will look for it and post it here. It looks similar to the lighting to HDMI adapter but it is for charging and using the 3.5mm jack simultaneously.
    Here you go:
    http://www.imore.com/how-charge-your...ones-same-time
    09-10-2016 10:15 PM
  11. Tartarus's Avatar
    A better wired connection would be a considerable choice for Apple, but instead they removed it completely without consideration for a proper equal and better replacement.
    The better replacement has already been there since the iPhone 5, namely the lightning port.
    If you meant an universal replacement, that's another battle to be fought.
    09-10-2016 10:20 PM
  12. Murpheee's Avatar
    Here is a charge/listen simultaneously option. I saw one with the 3.5mm jack as well
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    09-10-2016 10:21 PM
  13. Murpheee's Avatar
    You beat me to it Rob. Thanks haaaaa!
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    09-10-2016 10:24 PM
  14. worldspy99's Avatar
    This thread reminded me of an old Eminem song. I have modified the lyrics slightly.
    I apologize in advance for the profanity.
    My final $.02 on this matter are two hashtags - #JackOff and #firstworlproblems!

    Without Me - Eminem

    Guess who's back
    Back again
    Dongle's back
    Tell a friend
    Guess who's back, guess who's back....

    I've created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to
    see Audio Jack no more they want Lightning I'm chopped liver
    well if you want Lightning, this is what I'll give ya
    a little bit of weed mixed with some hard liquor
    some vodka that'll jumpstart my heart quicker than a
    shock when I get shocked at the hospital by the doctor when I'm not cooperating
    when I'm rocking the table while he's operating (hey!)
    you waited this long now stop debating 'cause I'm back,
    I'm on the rag and ovulating
    I know that you got a job Ms. Cheney but your husband's heart problem's complicating
    So the FCC won't let me be or let me be me so let me see
    they tried to shut me down on MTV but it feels so empty without me
    So come on dip, bum on your lips **** that,
    *** on your lips and some on your tits and get ready 'cause this ****'s about to get heavy
    I just settled all my lawsuits ****
    YOU APPLE!


    Now this looks like a job for me so everybody just follow me
    'Cause we need a little controversy,
    'Cause it feels so empty without me.
    09-10-2016 10:27 PM
  15. reeneebob's Avatar
    But you do have control over you. You can be and seem to be respectful of others. I feel he is not respectful of me and others here that agree this is a problem for the iPhone and our decision to support this line of smartphones. He has lost nothing. Yet he has used inflammatory words to try to quell a message that I feel does not need to be stopped. Change can be made by action. Thanks for your consideration of this issue, and the support of those that want to let their disdain of this change known.
    I think what you're missing is that no one is arguing you can't say your opinion - but I just counted and you have 80 posts and 72 OF THEM ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE JACK. There comes a point where it becomes nuisance posts. If you were posting hyperlinks it would be considered spamming the board.

    And for the record, I don't give a flying fig about no headphone jack. I don't own wireless headphones. I won't be buying any. I can honestly tell you I don't consider the adapter an inconvenience. I'll just leave it attached to my buds. I can't remember ever using buds while charging.

    You need to respect that others are just sick of the fact that 90% of your posts are about something we got after the first 5 posts - you hate that they dropped the aux jack and you won't be buying one.

    Got it.
    09-10-2016 10:42 PM
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    09-10-2016 10:50 PM
  17. Nargg's Avatar
    but I just counted and you have 80 posts and 72 OF THEM ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE JACK.
    So you're tracking me? That's creepy.

    There comes a point where it becomes nuisance posts. If you were posting hyperlinks it would be considered spamming the board.
    Yeah, you should stop being so creepy and posting on a thread you don't care about, and stalking people. A "nuisance post" is usually one that continue to berate the original thread topic, BTW. Manners.

    It's my thread, I started it, I will defend it. Get that.
    09-10-2016 11:39 PM
  18. John Yester's Avatar
    Good read. Please take some time to look over it, let it sink in, and last be open minded.

    If you survey Android users about what it would take to get them to switch to iPhone, none of them would say "I want an iPhone without a headphone jack." And if you survey iPhone users about what would tempt them to upgrade, none of them would say they want an iPhone without a headphone jack either. People want more battery life. Or a faster processor. Or a better camera. Or more waterproofing. Or less breakability. Or something. But not the removal of the headphone jack. Nobody wants that.

    Personally, I don’t particularly want it either. But to understand Apple’s success over the years, you have to understand that nobody was asking for a teardrop-shaped laptop before the release of the MacBook Air. Nor was anybody saying that the big problem with BlackBerry’s smartphones was that they had a physical keyboard.

    You don’t ship great products by doing surveys and giving people want they want. You ship great products by coming up with ideas that are better than what people think they want. Apple has been successful over the years in part because their integrated business model makes them uniquely capable of taking this kind of big crazy risk.

    Apple has an advantage that nobody else in the industry does: They know that if they make a new iPhone, a whole bunch of people will buy it. What Apple wants, of course, is a hit product. They want sales to go up rather than down, and they’d like to see sales go up a lot rather than up a little. But they have the luxury of knowing that the absolute number of units sold is going to be enormous — even if for one reason or another people don’t love the product as much as earlier iterations.

    That’s in part because Apple has a loyal customer base (fanboys, reality distortion field, etc.) but it’s more fundamentally because only Apple makes iOS devices. If Apple releases several years’ worth of disappointing iPhones in a row, their market share will decline and the company will collapse. But in the short-term, the company is basically disaster-proof because switching away from iOS to Android is enough of a hassle that people won’t do it en masse over one bad iPhone update.

    The makers of Android smartphones don’t have this luxury. Even a very mild dissatisfaction with a new Samsung product could cause a cataclysmic loss of market share to HTC or LG or vice versa.

    The practical upshot of Apple’s short-term guarantee of sales is that they have the luxury of thinking more about the long-term future of their product line. Competition among Android smartphone makers creates a collective action problem. Anyone who drops a feature of any kind will immediately fall behind the competition in terms of feature lists and lose sales. This means the progress of the platform is essentially limited by consumers’ current view of what they want. Apple, by contrast, can force consumers to change their behavior and adopt a new paradigm. On the PC side, that’s why it was Apple that led the way in terms of dropping CD drives, VGA ports, and Ethernet jacks in favor of smaller, lighter machines.

    Apple’s judgment about such matters hasn’t been flawless — neither the FireWire nor the Thunderbolt standards that Apple has pushed over the years have proved all that successful — but they do have the strategic opportunity to try to exercise their best judgment about what people will like best, while competitors are limited to consumers’ current judgment and natural conservatism about technology.

    Steve Jobs used to discuss this in terms of a hockey metaphor. Apple would skate to where the puck is going. Competitive pressures force other smartphone makers to skate to where the puck is right now, which means that they’re always a step behind. In this case, Apple is betting that reducing the number of holes in the phone will let them build smaller, more robust, more waterproof devices and people won’t miss their old earphones much once they’re used to going wireless. That, however, merely returns the conversation to the central doubt investors and analysts have raised about Apple over the past several years: Steve Jobs is dead.

    Jobs was never all there was to Apple — far from it. But having a unique ability to push platforms forward in ways that consumers don’t even know they want hinges crucially on whether your product people can, in fact, come up with things that consumers don’t even know they want. Jobs’s product vision sometimes faltered — people turned out not to want a perfectly round mouse or a desktop computer that looked like a Kleenex box — but he had enough big wins to more than compensate for the losses.

    Apple’s unique strength is that from top to bottom it was — and remains — the kind of company where visionary product thinking can succeed. An equally brilliant product guy embedded in a company with a very different overall structure and business model would have simply failed. But Apple’s structural openness to bold visions didn’t — and doesn ’t — guarantee success. The visions need to make sense. In this sense, the removal of the headphone jack is a crucial test for Apple.
    The post-Jobs trajectory of Apple has given fodder for both sides of the argument over the company’s dependence on its founder. On the one hand, they have in fact come out with some pretty exciting and innovative new products. On the other hand, those products haven’t been iPhone-scale hits. But back on the first hand, no other product in human history has been an iPhone-scale hit.

    Messing in a fundamental way with the iPhone itself provides a much clearer test. Not so much in terms of how this new iPhone sells, but in terms of how many people buy the iPhone after this one. Apple is unique in its ability to make people go try something that sounds crazy and new. If customers still hate it in a couple of years, it will show that Apple is deeply vulnerable. It will mean that Apple not only lacks a Jobs-like innovator, it lacks the ability to recognize that it has lost its Jobs-like innovator and needs to switch to a more conventional approach. But if people do end up liking a product that it sure seems like people would hate, it will be the best proof possible that Apple still has the old magic.
    09-10-2016 11:49 PM
  19. firstborn80's Avatar
    Wow! That was absolutely a great read! From the posts in this thread, I wouldn't be shocked if someone said "it's not the same thing."
    Last edited by firstborn80; 09-11-2016 at 12:01 AM.
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    09-10-2016 11:50 PM
  20. Evilguppy's Avatar
    I won't be buying the Airpods right away because I really need to reign in the finances for a while but I'm totally cool with using the adapter, it's all good. Anyone who's ever seen me wrestle with my wired earbuds knows that the designer of the Airpods is probably a giganto klutz like me who has come close to self strangulation just trying to listen to music far too many times, lol.
    Now all I need is to make sure I don't drop the Airpods in my coffee...
    Better buy a lid.
    09-11-2016 12:10 AM
  21. worldspy99's Avatar
    I won't be buying the Airpods right away because I really need to reign in the finances for a while but I'm totally cool with using the adapter, it's all good. Anyone who's ever seen me wrestle with my wired earbuds knows that the designer of the Airpods is probably a giganto klutz like me who has come close to self strangulation just trying to listen to music far too many times, lol.
    Now all I need is to make sure I don't drop the Airpods in my coffee...
    Better buy a lid.
    Just like there are cases to protect the phone, there will be 3rd party gadgets to reign in the Air Pods from falling into your coffee cup.

    Keep Calm and Caffeine On.
    #nolidrequired
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    09-11-2016 12:36 AM
  22. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    The OP is starting to remind me of an old member we had here when Apple introduced Apple Maps without transit directions. He complained about it during the entire beta cycle lol
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    09-11-2016 02:09 AM
  23. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    That's awesome. Thank you for the link.
    09-11-2016 05:22 AM
  24. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    I won't be buying the Airpods right away because I really need to reign in the finances for a while but I'm totally cool with using the adapter, it's all good. Anyone who's ever seen me wrestle with my wired earbuds knows that the designer of the Airpods is probably a giganto klutz like me who has come close to self strangulation just trying to listen to music far too many times, lol.
    Now all I need is to make sure I don't drop the Airpods in my coffee...
    Better buy a lid.
    The sheer amount of times I have put my earbuds in, put my phone down and then walked away and had either my phone fall on the floor or the earbuds ripped from my ears, is staggering.

    Wireless/Bluetooth earbuds will be a great upgrade but honestly there is absolutely no way I am ever going to pay $159 for them. Not a chance. I will find a third party solution that does the same thing at a fraction of the cost. It may take time for those to appear but I am not in any rush to go out and buy some anyway.
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    09-11-2016 05:31 AM
  25. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    John, what a great post. To add to that, Apple has always been VERY good at marketing. There's a reason they needed the headphone jack gone even if not immediately apparent. Perhaps they need that space for a bezel-less device in 2017 and don't want to hurt sales of what they believe will be the best selling iPhone ever, so they figured they would remove it this year so that users are over it by the time the 2017 model is released. I can very much see Apple looking into the future with this, and I believe there is a definite reason behind their removal of the headphone jack that we don't know about yet.

    Regarding the thought that Apple is merely being selfish in doing this, they would not risk losing iPhone sales simply to make more royalties on their MFi program. From a financial perspective (which I have my degree in, by the way) this is a bit of an absurd idea. Selling more iPhones will always be in Apple's best interests.
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    09-11-2016 06:44 AM
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