Your opinion on Rite Aid and CVS removing NFC payments

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I don't have RiteAid here, so no loss there, but I almost never go to CVS because Walgreens is literally right across the street. We only just started getting CVS in the last year. Walgreens accepts it, Ill just go there instead.

I don't need to go to Best Buy, I don't patronize Walmart under any circumstance, I can buy my electronics elsewhere than Best Buy which I almost never shop at anyway and I don't usually go to 7-11 when QT is right down the block and has better everything. I can work around their competition pretty easily.

Regardless, I don't look at this as replacing my wallet yet. I'd like to one day, but thus far, no. NFC isn't huge here yet like it is in other parts of the world. Someday maybe. But our banks don't care as much yet about securely getting our money like in other places, otherwise we'd already have NFC and RFID.
 

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Sadly your car analogy is far fetching, if not completely off the mark. You needn't try to voice your opinion by attempting to attack my own. Maybe you needed me to add a pronoun to understand I was talking about crippling "their" technology or maybe you're just that literal.

Based on the title of the thread "your opinion," I did just that and voiced my opinion. The fact that you wish to argue about my perspective with no real information is insane and trollish. Or maybe shillish? You can decide since you are the wordsmith.
It's not "their" technology. If you added that, you'd be sounding more foolish. I'm sorry that you believe I'm a troll because I pointed out you're overreacting. If you wanted to discuss purely in the context of their devices, they haven't crippled anything. They've simply turned it off. They're free to turn them back on at any time. They haven't gone store to store with a baseball bat breaking the devices. They're not crippled. Suggesting otherwise is "insane."

It's not that I'm being "that literal." It's that you're using that much hyperbole.

Why do people still think an opinion means it's alright to say anything without it being questioned? Let's start with a base opinion that I'm fairly certain everyone that posts here will agree is bad. The KKK believe that there is something genetic that makes whites a superior race. It's founded in nothing. It makes "literally" no sense. It's an opinion. If after telling you that whites are better than blacks because they're white, would you say "oh, that's your opinion. Sweet. It must be right because it's an opinion."? Or would you say "seriously? here's one of many reasons why what you just said doesn't make any sense."?

Continue talking down to me. Continue suggesting I can't read. It won't make you, or what you're saying, any more intelligent. But, you're so convinced I'm here to troll. So, why avoid the simple question? You've opted to continue overreacting in your posts to me. Why not tell me a single expense this has caused you. Did this decision break all of your credit/debit cards? Are they only able to work with ApplePay? Did it render you unable to carry cash? Were these the only stores you shopped at so the decision has left you unable to pay for overpriced goods? What expense are you experiencing as a result of this decision?
 

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I don't get the big fuss here! Some of you seem to be taking these businesses not using Pay a bit too personally, as if they had bad mouthed your iPhone. So you can't use Pay at these businesses. So what? They still take cash, checks and plastic. Are you so ingrained in what your iPhone can do that it upsets you if you can't use it to pay for your Lortabs and Viagra? It's a payment method, for crying out loud! There are other methods. And you want to argue this issue? SMH I do my pharmacy business at a small Mom and Pop pharmacy. I like it there. Will they implement Pay? Probably not. But they do take my debit card and cash. I'm ok with that. I'm not going to switch to Walgreens just for Pay. That would be ridiculous. Some need to come to terms with the fact, that not all businesses are going to accept Pay as a payment method. Boycotting those that don't is also ridiculous. Too many of you want it where you can use your iPhone to pay for everything. That's not going to happen. All of you need to chill!


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I don't get the big fuss here! Some of you seem to be taking these businesses not using Pay a bit too personally, as if they had bad mouthed your iPhone. So you can't use Pay at these businesses. So what? They still take cash, checks and plastic. Are you so ingrained in what your iPhone can do that it upsets you if you can't use it to pay for your Lortabs and Viagra? It's a payment method, for crying out loud! There are other methods. And you want to argue this issue? SMH I do my pharmacy business at a small Mom and Pop pharmacy. I like it there. Will they implement Pay? Probably not. But they do take my debit card and cash. I'm ok with that. I'm not going to switch to Walgreens just for Pay. That would be ridiculous. Some need to come to terms with the fact, that not all businesses are going to accept Pay as a payment method. Boycotting those that don't is also ridiculous. Too many of you want it where you can use your iPhone to pay for everything. That's not going to happen. All of you need to chill!


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The point is not that they DON'T accept Apple Pay, but rather the reasons WHY they don't. Not only that, we are discussing NFC Payments as a whole here, not just Apple Pay. I am not biased, which is why I put it all into one category, one that includes Apple Pay and Google Wallet. I am very well aware that Apple Pay is not a new thing, as NFC Payments have been around for a few years now. The ire comes from the companies involved inadvertently disabling (read: crippling) their NFC machines out of the complete blue. This coming after they had spent a few days accepting Apple Pay and years accepting all other NFC enabled forms of payment. It shows the gluttony companies have and how far they will go to save a few bucks to fill their pockets. They have literally isolated themselves in the mobile payments field simply because it fills their bottom end.

If they would have the machines enabled AND were releasing CurrentC, I honestly wouldn't care. I'd come in, pay with my iPhone, and leave and CurrentC wouldn't even matter to me. Heck, prior to this, I didn't even know CurrentC existed....and that's coming from someone who is generally on top of technology news.
 

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Who cares what ever technology wins wins, will it change the way I shop, no, will it change the way I use mobile payments yes. I prefer NFC, it's a more secure payment method also much faster at the checkout. Current C I have to unlock my phone, open an app, generate a QR code and then have scanned. That is a waste of time, I will not use Current C.


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The point is not that they DON'T accept Apple Pay, but rather the reasons WHY they don't. Not only that, we are discussing NFC Payments as a whole here, not just Apple Pay. I am not biased, which is why I put it all into one category, one that includes Apple Pay and Google Wallet. I am very well aware that Apple Pay is not a new thing, as NFC Payments have been around for a few years now. The ire comes from the companies involved inadvertently disabling (read: crippling) their NFC machines out of the complete blue. This coming after they had spent a few days accepting Apple Pay and years accepting all other NFC enabled forms of payment. It shows the gluttony companies have and how far they will go to save a few bucks to fill their pockets. They have literally isolated themselves in the mobile payments field simply because it fills their bottom end.

If they would have the machines enabled AND were releasing CurrentC, I honestly wouldn't care. I'd come in, pay with my iPhone, and leave and CurrentC wouldn't even matter to me. Heck, prior to this, I didn't even know CurrentC existed....and that's coming from someone who is generally on top of technology news.
I get all that. I was just trying to defuse what was becoming a heated argument. I'd hate to see this thread closed for 24 hours for a cool down! :)


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Neither are you!!! So what makes what you type more valid than what I type? You are making suppositions and I am stating what is happening on the ground.

Because you're making points as to why you think it's not good for the business to remove NFC. I don't blame them for making that decision. You're stating why they shouldn't do it when they already have. I don't have to sit there in their meetings to know that they did what they think is in the best interest of their business. You're being contrarian to what they're doing with their money and shareholders so that's why I state you're not in their board meetings to defend your position. I don't have to sit there to know why they did what they did.

1. NFC existed before ApplePay and was being used by these CVS and RiteAid.

Okay. And they probably weren't as frequently used as they assumed they would be with Apple Pay. They can remove it if they so choose to.

2. CurrentC is not active and will not be active anytime soon.

Because they don't want Apple Pay to catch on. Nothing wrong with that.

3. ApplePay is safer, and more private than CurrentC.

I'm not debating that at all. It's irrelevant to the point I'm making to you.

4. There are one million cc and debit card holders that activated ApplePay.

And?

5. There must have been Android smartphone users using NFC otherwise these companies would not have invested in the tech and kept it active.

Apple getting in on NFC is what NFC needed to become prominent.

6. Allowing consumers to diversify their method of payment will earn the business more revenue especially since ApplePay became active and the purchasing power and loyalty of those who use Apple products.

Of course it will. Contact them and let them know how you feel.

7. Therefore, logically, shutting off NFC devices will hurt in two ways. First, you will lose the value of the investment you made in these machines. Second, you will lose customers who like NFC Google Wallet, ApplePay and value their privacy.

You assume that anyone who planned on using ApplePay is like you and will never ever shop at those places again and not just spend cash or swipe their credit card like we've been doing for years.

8. If you are a CEO, you are not maximizing shareholder value. You are costing the shareholders money. You have wasted money on machines that are not going to be used to their full capacity. You could have invested in cheaper machines that did not have the NFC chip. And you are turning away customers by denying them an alternative method of payment. A business wants MORE customers, not less.

When you become a CEO, let us know here so you can have the right to say what a CEO should do.

None of what I said is based on suppositions like yours. They are logical business decisions based on the available facts.

I am not debating what I think is logical business. I'm defending what I think they have a right to do as a business. That's different.

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Who cares what ever technology wins wins, will it change the way I shop, no, will it change the way I use mobile payments yes. I prefer NFC, it's a more secure payment method also much faster at the checkout. Current C I have to unlock my phone, open an app, generate a QR code and then have scanned. That is a waste of time.

As far as I am concerned, it will change the way I shop. Nobody is getting direct access to my bank accounts. No way. No how. Period.

So, now, while I will actively seek to shop where Pay is accepted (for my convenience), I will never use CurrentC, as it’s presently designed. That may not preclude me from ever shopping at a store that uses the CurrentC process (if it ever does become a reality), I will NOT use the CurrentC process. Cash or chip and pin CC only.
 

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It's not "their" technology. If you added that, you'd be sounding more foolish. I'm sorry that you believe I'm a troll because I pointed out you're overreacting. If you wanted to discuss purely in the context of their devices, they haven't crippled anything. They've simply turned it off. They're free to turn them back on at any time. They haven't gone store to store with a baseball bat breaking the devices. They're not crippled. Suggesting otherwise is "insane."

It's not that I'm being "that literal." It's that you're using that much hyperbole.

Why do people still think an opinion means it's alright to say anything without it being questioned? Let's start with a base opinion that I'm fairly certain everyone that posts here will agree is bad. The KKK believe that there is something genetic that makes whites a superior race. It's founded in nothing. It makes "literally" no sense. It's an opinion. If after telling you that whites are better than blacks because they're white, would you say "oh, that's your opinion. Sweet. It must be right because it's an opinion."? Or would you say "seriously? here's one of many reasons why what you just said doesn't make any sense."?

Continue talking down to me. Continue suggesting I can't read. It won't make you, or what you're saying, any more intelligent. But, you're so convinced I'm here to troll. So, why avoid the simple question? You've opted to continue overreacting in your posts to me. Why not tell me a single expense this has caused you. Did this decision break all of your credit/debit cards? Are they only able to work with ApplePay? Did it render you unable to carry cash? Were these the only stores you shopped at so the decision has left you unable to pay for overpriced goods? What expense are you experiencing as a result of this decision?

And you say you're not literal. The expense I am talking about is the expense of my privacy. The expense of having my data collected, mined, and possibly sold. The expense is not only out of my pocket in terms of money, but also figurative. I bought a $600 phone. I bought it with the understanding that I would be able to use it to make payments. I could, at first, make said payments at any store of my choosing that already had the technology in place and active. Then the retailers decided to turn off the technology, e.g. cripple it at their retail locations. I don't like that since I could use it 4 days ago, but now I can't. Now I have an expensive phone that is not being allowed to do one of the very things it was intended to do. That makes me upset. I decide to use a different retail store for a different experience, because MY OPINION is that it isn't really fair to the consumer to replace a more secure method of payment with a less secure one. Then you come along and argue with me (and especially my wording). Nobody (especially not me) said that I am right about this. It is rather my experience - and my opinion is based on said experience. If I said all green people are jerks based on how many annoying green people I have had to deal with, would I be wrong? Or would that just be my experience? Perhaps an ill-informed conclusion, but still within my rights to have it and not feel that I needed to defend it when asked how I FEEL ABOUT GREEN PEOPLE!!! my point - you don't have to agree. Reading a post does not imply consent.
 

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The point is not that they DON'T accept Apple Pay, but rather the reasons WHY they don't. Not only that, we are discussing NFC Payments as a whole here, not just Apple Pay. I am not biased, which is why I put it all into one category, one that includes Apple Pay and Google Wallet. I am very well aware that Apple Pay is not a new thing, as NFC Payments have been around for a few years now. The ire comes from the companies involved inadvertently disabling (read: crippling) their NFC machines out of the complete blue. This coming after they had spent a few days accepting Apple Pay and years accepting all other NFC enabled forms of payment. It shows the gluttony companies have and how far they will go to save a few bucks to fill their pockets. They have literally isolated themselves in the mobile payments field simply because it fills their bottom end.

If they would have the machines enabled AND were releasing CurrentC, I honestly wouldn't care. I'd come in, pay with my iPhone, and leave and CurrentC wouldn't even matter to me. Heck, prior to this, I didn't even know CurrentC existed....and that's coming from someone who is generally on top of technology news.


How come when you say "crippling," nobody sends you 5 messages about how you are overreacting and using the wrong language? lol
 

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And you say you're not literal. The expense I am talking about is the expense of my privacy. The expense of having my data collected, mined, and possibly sold. The expense is not only out of my pocket in terms of money, but also figurative. I bought a $600 phone. I bought it with the understanding that I would be able to use it to make payments. I could, at first, make said payments at any store of my choosing that already had the technology in place and active. Then the retailers decided to turn off the technology, e.g. cripple it at their retail locations. I don't like that since I could use it 4 days ago, but now I can't. Now I have an expensive phone that is not being allowed to do one of the very things it was intended to do. That makes me upset. I decide to use a different retail store for a different experience, because MY OPINION is that it isn't really fair to the consumer to replace a more secure method of payment with a less secure one. Then you come along and argue with me (and especially my wording). Nobody (especially not me) said that I am right about this. It is rather my experience - and my opinion is based on said experience. If I said all green people are jerks based on how many annoying green people I have had to deal with, would I be wrong? Or would that just be my experience? Perhaps an ill-informed conclusion, but still within my rights to have it and not feel that I needed to defend it when asked how I FEEL ABOUT GREEN PEOPLE!!! my point - you don't have to agree. Reading a post does not imply consent.
Just because they would rather replace the NFC system with their CurrentC system doesn't mean you are forced to use it. I agree. CurrentC sucks, it's evil, and it eats babies. But you're making it sound like it is your only option because ApplePay won't be accepted by those merchants. This is why it looks like an overreaction on your part.

Take the approach that HankAZ has made and stop pretending like CVS and other retailers have backed you into a corner.
 

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Just because they would rather replace the NFC system with their CurrentC system doesn't mean you are forced to use it. I agree. CurrentC sucks, it's evil, and it eats babies. But you're making it sound like it is your only option because ApplePay won't be accepted by those merchants. This is why it looks like an overreaction on your part.

Take the approach that HankAZ has made and stop pretending like CVS and other retailers have backed you into a corner.

This is getting exhausting. Here is my original post... "I live next door to a cvs. But I will make the effort to use Walgreens now instead. I have something against companies who cripple existing technology at my expense to fatten their own pockets." I never said it was my only option. I already said I will "make the effort" go to Walgreens. I give on this overreaction argument. You win. I completely overreacted. I'm losing control. Help.
 

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If I said all green people are jerks based on how many annoying green people I have had to deal with, would I be wrong? Or would that just be my experience?

Here's where you are making a fundamental mistake. It's possible for you to both have that experience and be wrong. They're not mutually exclusive.

You used very charged words. If you don't want to defend them, especially when using them so liberally, you're able to use more appropriate words. You certainly could have said "maybe it was more exaggerated than I meant" instead of thinking it was wise to insult me because I understood what words meant. My original post to you was hardly aggressive/offensive. There really wasn't a need to defend it. After you suggested I wasn't able to read because I understood you were overstating the effect, my tone became much more aggressive. If you don't want to defend your point, don't talk to someone as if they can't understand your point. I read just fine. Such a childish remark is what made me aggressively attack your points. You were more than welcome to have your opinion. You weren't welcome to use the tone you did while having such a poorly constructed opinion if you didn't want the opinion to be questioned.
 

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Why do all of these types of threads quickly deteriorate into name calling and personal attacks? I'd say that it’s probably time for people to grow up.

There isn't this much vitriol in the politics section here. SMH.
 

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I just looked at the list of CurrentC retailers and I never use them. My guess is Apple will figure out a way to grow Apple Pay.
 

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Maybe those retailers really haven't seen the light. They very well may, at some point down the road, have their V-8 moment and say, "Oh, Pay looks more lucrative!".


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