- 09-25-2012, 04:59 AM #51
- 09-25-2012, 05:18 AM #52iMore Newbie
- 10 Posts
I know this is an iPhone forum, but the number of people who are willing (eager, it almost sounds like) to get into a "life and death" confrontation over a replaceable electronic gadget is shocking to me. Get another one and live to enjoy another day. If you are afraid of muggers and can't afford to replace it, leave it at home or maybe you can't afford to have one in the first place.
Use common sense, don't flash it around in strange surroundings, keep it in a secure pocket, and stay away from dark secluded spots. And don't walk around drunk looking like an easy target.
- 09-25-2012, 06:03 AM #53
Originally Posted by greidel
- 09-25-2012, 11:03 PM #54
- 09-26-2012, 07:26 AM #55
- 09-26-2012, 07:40 AM #56
For starters, you should probably look up with the definition of "murder" is, that would help you in understanding how idiotic your response sounds. The fact that you made the comment about being charged with murder removes any credibility you have with the subject.
You should then understand the meaning of robbery (which mugging is a type of). Now within that, you have two types...robbery by intimidation and robbing by violence. Obviously we're talking about robbing by violence, if you are robbed by intimidation, you are probably not carrying a firearm in the first place.
Afterwards, you should familiarize yourself with the protocol of using deadly force to stop someone who presents a threat to you. A person attempting to mug me would be presenting a legitimate threat of severe bodily harm or death if they actually try to take my phone (or wallet, or watch, or whatever)...If they walk up to me and ask for it, I'm going to laugh at them and keep walking, if they attempt to physically take it, they are stepping into a realm where you have no CLUE what their highest level of response will be to defense, therefore a legitimate fear of severe bodily harm or death is certainly present.
You can call it what you want...preparedness, paranoia, etc...it is what it is. If you decide to take something that is mine by force, you COULD pay for that decision with your life.
Now you keep making the point of shooting someone while they are running away, one situation where your argument against using deadly force stands valid, and any person who carries a firearm legally would know this. But what about the other 999,999,999 situations where the person doesn't just grab and run the other direction? What about when they reveal they have a knife? or a billy club? or decide they want to chop you in the throat? I could list other situations for days that would present a lawful situation for using deadly force...you've listed one. The ratio is a bit lop sided don't you think?
Now please stop talking about your google understanding about law and procedure here with me, i assure you, i know more than you do about said laws and procedure.
Last edited by SeanHRCC; 09-26-2012 at 08:14 AM.
- 09-26-2012, 11:07 AM #57
- 09-26-2012, 12:14 PM #58
In the real world (where most of us live), muggers arn't Mr. Rogers and asking politely to take a phone...they're the kind of people who try to break your jaw to take your phone when you refuse to give it to them or don't response immediately like a cowering dog. Now maybe in your fantasy world (See: Canada), cowering away when someone tries to take what is yours is the way to go...happily, i don't live in that world, and I'm able to defend myself and what is mine to the level i see fit based on the threat that is presented to me.
- 09-26-2012, 12:21 PM #59
The process to conceal/carry is vigorous, and I haven't had the time to do so yet. I have admiration and feel safer knowing there are those who take the time and effort to be proficient at protecting themselves.
Being a criminal should come with peril.
- 09-26-2012, 12:54 PM #60
I actually thought about this when I purchased my phone (I am a 26 year old female). I bought it in a high end area of Cleveland where it was very busy and there were a lot of cops around the Apple store on launch day. I didn't feel threatened when I walked down to the AT&T store to change the lines around. When I was leaving AT&T and going to my car I did ask for a bag though. The bag had the box, but the phone was in my pocket. I felt safe. If anything they would have gotten a pair of headphones and a charger cable. Something I would have willingly given up if I needed to.
- 09-26-2012, 04:16 PM #61
Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your house?
Do you wear a helmet while bike riding?
Please. It truly is scary that someone would kill over a cell phone. Take that up with the bad guys, and I'll make sure when that fails I have a means to protect myself.
- 09-26-2012, 09:06 PM #62
- 09-26-2012, 09:18 PM #63
- 09-27-2012, 12:05 AM #64
- 09-27-2012, 12:09 AM #65
I guess our fantasy world in Canada is working okay since we don't have the gun violence issues you do even in areas like mine where there tend to be firearms for hunting purposes.
I will never have a gun in my house and I'm fine with that.
Sent from mah brainzzzzz via Galaxy S III and Tapatalk 2
- 09-27-2012, 12:56 AM #66
Most, if not all, muggers are willing to severely harm, or kill, their targets. Whether they want your shiny new iP5, your wallet, or your Rolex, it makes no difference. I believe a concealed weapon is a perfectly acceptable form of self-defense. And if you don't like guns, there's always mace, a taser, or a knife (my preference; just make sure you can wield it, too, learning how to throw it is alway a plus).
- 09-27-2012, 12:59 AM #67
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- 09-29-2012, 07:44 PM #73
...there's a little Ontario city with some gun violence, lol. I could probably find more...but i think your stance is adorable either way. Does your little town wake up every morning and sing camp fire songs while you smile and feed each other candy?
Enjoy your little town...i couldn't live like a child in a place where they tell me it's unlawful for citizens to own handguns. And FYI, my wife jogs in the evenings without fear in our little town of 500,000 people. She also owns a 9mm Glock, and has been named a marksman by the same instructors I qualify with for my job. She also highly disagrees with your ideology.
Last edited by SeanHRCC; 09-29-2012 at 07:58 PM.
- 09-29-2012, 08:03 PM #74
- 09-30-2012, 01:00 AM #75iPhone Intermediate
- 130 Posts
it is pretty scary, there has been a few crime around campus already regarding apple products. no one has been hospitalized/dead this school year, thank goodness. but i really havent given much thought to earphones :O
i use my ipod shuffle with my outdated apple earphones not pods. im not much of a fan of listening to music with my iphone in general. but i obviously still setting myself up for an apple attractable target. im sure when i get my earphones yanked out of me only to find that i carry a shuffle isnt going to give me a free ticket since theyll probably take my money and end up finding my phone anyways LOL.
now im going to carry an android phone (apparently no one wants to steal an android LOL) and switch out my apple earphones...to beats (lol jk) maybe some good ol' skull candy