- 07-11-2012, 04:19 PM #101
No matter how great the next iPhone is, it will never be worth paying $2000 for because there are comparable smartphones out there with the same if not better hardware for the same $200-300 subsidized price as always. Sure you get ios but android isn't far off and for some people much more superior for their needs. I just don't even see the next iphone surpassing the galaxy s3 ($199) in terms of hardware (significantly anyway) even though it is at least 4 months from being released. Apple is about high end but still affordable. Jobs said that himself throughout his career.
Last edited by Robotphood; 07-11-2012 at 06:52 PM.
- 07-11-2012, 06:56 PM #102
Any why? Because it's an amazing piece of technology. They could simply add a variety of colors in October to the current 4S line and the thing would still sell incredibly.
Your "You'll see" is kind of humorous...you sound like all those critics that said the 4S wouldn't sell well last year, and then ate so much crow I'm guessing it's still working it's way through their digestive systems today.
- 07-11-2012, 10:28 PM #103
- 07-12-2012, 12:44 AM #105
- 07-12-2012, 06:18 AM #106
And that is all hypothetical, because Apple has never released an iPhone with insignificant upgrades vs. the generation it was replacing. They may not always give the public exactly what they want, but Apple sticks to that approach, and they find immense success doing what they do, they release products that people (for the most part) absolutely LOVE once they start using it, even if they approached it with hesitance before using it, and it doesn't include every detail they personally want (gigantic screen, early (See: Pointless) adoption of LTE/4G tech, etc).
You asked "Who knows?" Actually...most people do if they've paid any attention at all to the iPhone (and iPad) releases since 2007.
Last edited by SeanHRCC; 07-12-2012 at 06:20 AM.
Seriously though, that's what gets Apple in trouble sometimes. The new iPad might have been their 'biggest rollout ever', but it actually wasn't that great of a release. I couldn't find anyone interested in an iPad that was bigger and hotter. And I had predicted that. As with the iPhone 4S, I never expecting a virtual assistant to come out of it, but I knew it would be an incremental upgrade.
This is the second time waiting for "The Big One" or the legendary "iPhone 5"
I'm not a big screen advocate, I don't think that will come. But I know there will be a change in style.
- 07-12-2012, 08:42 AM #108
- 07-12-2012, 09:33 AM #109
Apple's last two releases have been pretty huge.
The iphone 4S may have looked the same but just about everything in it was new. It was a huge update. dual core, even faster graphics, extra mic, double the storage, double RAM, much better camera, 1080p video, video stabilization, faster hspa+, updated BT, redesigned antenna, airplay mirroring, Siri, etc.
The ipad 3 brought the best screen you'll see in a cheap tablet..on any consumer computing device. It's still insane to see that much resolution on a 9.7" screen. A year ago, many said Apple couldn't possibly do this. Even in the rumor stage, I still had a hard time believing a retina ipad was really going to happen.
We can only hope all future upgrades are even remotely on par with the last two.
- 07-12-2012, 12:23 PM #110iPhone Intermediate
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If you want to pay $2000 for an iPhone, message me - I can hook you up.
As a developer, I want as many people as possible to have the phone that can load my app.
- 07-12-2012, 06:59 PM #111
I think the OP also failed to realize that it's not because people can now afford the iphone, but the smartphone market exploded when the iphone came out. We all now crave having a mini supercomputer in our pockets that are connected to the world 24/7. Before that smartphones were a small minority and we were using a stylus on scratch prone resistive screens on a mobile OS not designed for touch that seemed to go unchanged for a decade. Flagship devices cost just as much if not often more than today's devices (although the $5-10 unlimited 3G data plans were nice). Now you can get a previous gen iphone for $50 (or free?) or many other entry level smartphones at that price. No one should be surprised that everyone and their mom now has one.
- 07-12-2012, 08:41 PM #112
As far as your iPad comment...if you honestly think that, i don't know what to say in response. Not only was the first iPad immensely successful compared to what they thought it was going to be, it ended up CREATING a market for these tablets that so many companies had attempted before (it actually made money for many of the dying breed manufacturers who copied the template and sold half *** tablets for less money to capitalize on the success of the iPad). Tablets wouldn't have taken off like a damn rocket if the first iPad had been anything less than a stellar release product.
What difference does it make whether YOU couldn't find anyone interested? Hell, if we went to some po-dunk town in the middle of Alaska where most of the guys sat around telling hunting stories to their eskimo friends, the chances you'd find someone interested in the iPad would be slim to none...does that make it a bad release? Not at all! It just means you're removed from the core of the products success, a success (i might add) that not only created a new market in the electronics world, but also changed the way people approached expectations with the modern desktops and laptops on the market...just like the iPhone, the iPad was a game changer, nothing less.
You said that's what gets Apple in trouble. What are you talking about? If record breaking sales, incredible market value reflection, successful technology integration and consistent positive consumer response is "trouble", i think we could all stand to aim for A LOT more trouble in our lives.
I speak from the view point of the Apple consumer. Those are the only people I'm looking at when I say that the new iPad actually didn't deliver. As I predicted it wouldn't. I could see that interns of blogging and online activity, no one was really excited about that particular product. I was there at launch, people walked right past the stands.
But even the ones who looked at it were not amazed by it. I wasn't. The guy who was selling it wasn't
As a nexfever device, it was half baked, you know that and I know that. You don't have to be naive. That's what it was supposed to be.
- 07-12-2012, 10:05 PM #114iPhone Nanite
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If you're a person who looks at status vs quality then it's kind of like putting your hand in a black hole that some random guy says has gold. If the iPhone costs a dollar and the iPhone Pro with a different color back plate and different color bubbles in iMessage, I will happily pay my one dollar.
- 07-12-2012, 10:14 PM #115
- 07-13-2012, 07:22 AM #117
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- 07-13-2012, 07:28 AM #118
Where are your sources for this drivel you're spewing on here? Half of those people were first timers? Are you seriously quoting that half baked article written by Cnet about ONE (singular, isolated) line in NYC on launch day who were buying iPads? What i was saying was half true? Are you kidding me? LOL!
I'm honestly at a loss to your logic here (and was from the beginning when i read the initial post). The numbers speak for themselves, the fact that the iPad spawned countless companies to begin developing and selling their own MIRROR of the iPad speaks for itself.
Didn't deliver? In what possible facet did the iPad not deliver? It CREATED A MARKET SEGMENT! One that many companies tried to crack for the better part of the last DECADE! iPad did it in a blink of an eye!
You're delusional bud.
Last edited by SeanHRCC; 07-13-2012 at 07:47 AM.
- 07-13-2012, 10:07 AM #119
- 07-13-2012, 11:35 AM #120
The people who bought the new iPad are the same people who were going to buy the old iPad. They just waited for the new one to come out before they did.
The thing is, everyone was expecting the "iPad 3". Supposed to be a new product of sorts. It wasn't. And so the NEW iPad didn't deliver anything new. For anyone that has an iPad 2, there was no reason to get a new iPad unless you simply wanted a newer iPad and THAT's why people bought it if you want to ask any of our forum members. Just ask around. If you had an iPad 2, the iPad was not marketed to you.
Now even further back, there is no other market segment besides iPad, so far they have been unsuccessful. HP, one of the biggest failure, pretty much almost had to file for bankruptcy because of it. There's the Kindle Fire, but that's not a tablet. That's a Kindle reader.
So yes it "created" a market segment, but at the same time it didn't. I don't know how many times they can afford to fail, but it cant be much longer now. "tablets" are not here to stay. Only the iPad of course.
- 07-13-2012, 04:14 PM #122
btw...here's a link to the Apple website where all the features of the new iPad are listed, since you've apparently never looked at it (based on that last retort you had).
Apple - The new iPad - It
...also, here's Apple's stock information for today (again, since you must have missed the slight improvement it's made in the last, oh...5 or so years)...
NYSE, New York Stock Exchange > Listings > Listings Directory
...man, i don't know how Apple is going to handle anymore "failure". (I'm still laughing at your post)
This seems relevant...
Last edited by SeanHRCC; 07-13-2012 at 04:17 PM.
I made just a few points. They are either agreeable or disagreeable.
• The new iPad was not the product the public had been expecting
• The new iPad is as popular as any iPad that came before it
• Companies making imitation iPads do not count as a legitamite market segment
Well that's obvious.
- 07-13-2012, 04:25 PM #124
- How is being just as immensely successful and popular as the previous models a negative aspect (as you have drawn it in)?
- The largest electronics companies on the market making their own tablets to compete with the iPad in such vast numbers that people start questioning whether or not they should just be lumped into the personal computer segment certainly DOES count as a legitimate market segment creation.
...you can stop any time, eventually you'll bury yourself so deep no one will care to read your replies (and in all honesty, you may have already passed that point).