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Apple has to redesign the iPhone or else their butts will be kicked by Android. Usually they are the first ones to produce a new feature and they're starting to get beat. Apple will have to do pretty well with this iPhone or android might start winning. Im expecting new design, 4g, 10/12 mp camera, thinner lighter, 3 mp front facing camera they want to have reasons why people want an iPhone and not a droid any way rumors are rumors any old person can make one up and say they work for apple. It's what they want to hear we'll find out in a couple of weeks hopefully.
- 09-13-2011, 06:41 PM #2
No offense crazy, but Apple isn't gonna add many, if any of the features you mentioned. Both of the cameras you mentioned are not possible and still be able to have a thinner phone. The tech just isn't available for that yet. I'm thinking "4G" is unlikely as well. Probably HSPA+ (for GSM iPhones), but LTE is looking doubtful at this point. I could be wrong about LTE. Who knows about the design, I know I don't.
- 09-13-2011, 06:45 PM #3
While I certainly think Apple has some good competition in Android, I don't believe Apple has anything to worry about. The iPhone 4 is still the top selling smartphone even though it has been on the market now for 14 months, followed by the iPhone 3GS in second place. iPhone 4 Still The Best Selling Smartphone In The U.S. Despite Imminent iPhone 5 Release | Smartphone
Food for thought: Irresistible Reasons Why iPhone 5 Will be the Best-Selling Smartphone | The Apple Clan
- 09-13-2011, 06:50 PM #4
Good points Irish! I just want to add that Apple has never been one to worry about having the biggest market share. They want to make the best products they can while still maintaining the highest possible profit. IMO it doesn't matter that there are more Android devices available, Apple still has higher quality devices with much higher profit margins on their devices.
- 09-13-2011, 07:04 PM #5
Last edited by Irish Rose; 09-13-2011 at 07:19 PM. Reason: Correct typo from autocorrect.
- 09-13-2011, 07:12 PM #6
- 09-13-2011, 07:15 PM #7
gee i wonder of this poll will be lopsided, after all this is an iPhone forum
i highly doubt Apple is shivering in their boots, now or anytime. it cracks me up when people think so. Apple sets the standard, not the competition
thanks for the reiteration, Mrs. Rose
- 09-13-2011, 07:27 PM #8
Apple keeps relatively modern, competitive hardware, but they don't go crazy on the specs. They're not going to sacrifice something like battery life just so they can claim that they have 4G LTE speeds on a 4.5" display. They're about user experience first, specs second. The Android manufacturers are all about the arms race to be bigger and faster.
- 09-13-2011, 07:33 PM #9
- 09-13-2011, 07:35 PM #10
Apple doesn't sell hardware. They sell the overall user experience: hardware, software & content (apps, music, video, ebooks, etc.). The Android ecosystem has caught up with Apple in hardware specs, but little else. That's especially obvious in the tablet market, but it holds true in the smartphone market.
Apple is not standing still in the hardware department, but the major strides this time around will be in the software. The end result will be yet another market-leading user experience package. It will leave the competition scrambling again. Meanwhile, Apple is already skating to where the puck will be next year with iPad 3, iPhone 6 and the next iOS version.
- 09-13-2011, 07:46 PM #11
- 09-14-2011, 12:30 PM #12
You are correct on that, If Google took sole control of the Android platform and was the only device provider and designer then we would see a head to head competition that would challenge Apple on a hardware landscape.
Google is however more interested in revenue from search, ads, and the multitude of different products and services they offer.
While it seems easy to say Apple provides the best the hardware department is not entirely true. Apple does bump their specs up but at a rate and method that has irritated as many apple customers as it has fans of. Look at their computers, have you actually looked into the specs on the HDD, RAM, displays, graphics cards. You truly don't know what you are going to get, graphics cards are not as powerful as they could OR should be. RAM, well its overpriced and not special memory by any stretch plus they will install (2) 1GB in the two slots you get instead of (1) 2GB so you are forced to pay a costly upgrade.
I have owned in the past, currently own and will likely continue to own Apple computers and hopefully an iPhone again. But I speak from a true user experience on hardware and NOT the OS. I run Win 7 and Lion on my MBP.
- 09-14-2011, 03:43 PM #13
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- 09-14-2011, 05:28 PM #15
Apple is going to be Apple and do what they want and STILL outsell every smartphone on the market. Why? I think it's because the majority of the users of smartphones aren't the guys and gals like us on the forums. They don't tinker with their phones and don't have the time or energy to Flash ROMs and such. They want something reliable and ready to go right out of the box hence the reason they go iPhone. Some still choose a blackberry, but I think it's more work related than anything. Regardless of what anyone one says(HTC head honcho) the iPhone still has that sex appeal and wow factor that we all want on our phones. Change or no change, it's QUALITY over QUANTITY and Apple provides exactly that.
- 09-14-2011, 05:31 PM #16
- 09-14-2011, 08:49 PM #17
And this "market-leading user experience" you speak of is not true, they have been beat in that category. Not knowing whether or not you have a notification, not being able to add widgets, not being able to quickreply to texts without the horribly interrupting system they have now, and not being able to visit many websites on the net, all while cheapo phones from other manufacturers handle all those things just fine and have done so for years shows Apple has fallen behind.
Sure they lead in quality in terms of hardware, no cheap plastic (all stainless steel and glass), the OS is ridiculously locked down and it hinders the user experience.
- 09-14-2011, 08:51 PM #18
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- 09-15-2011, 12:59 AM #20
If you do want to mess around with iOS, the jailbreak community is very robust. I don't know how it compares to Android, but you can definitely customize your iOS device pretty heavily. But 90%+ of consumers have absolutely no interest in doing any of this.
For the past 3 yrs. Apple has done what exactly what you request: "design one new phone per year at the same time they add a couple new features to their OS". This is the first time they've broken the pattern, probably because of iCloud integration into iOS 5. It's a major change and they don't want to mess it up like they did with Mobile Me.
You can complain that they're late with these upgrades, but by this time next month most of features and capabilities that the iPhone has been criticized for will be "fixed"...again to the satisfaction of 90%+ of consumers. There will always be something that 10% don't like about the iPhone: lack of Flash, "closed" system, etc. So the iPhone isn't for them. That's cool. They can go with Android, WP7, Blackberry, WebOS or even Symbian if that's what they want.
Since it seems to rile folks up, maybe I'll stop using terms like "market-leading" to describe the UX or features of iOS. The whole experience offered by the iPhone, iPod touch & iPad is what people are willing to pay the most money for, so it does "lead" by that measure.
The OP of this thread started with this sentence: "Apple has to redesign the iPhone or else their butts will be kicked by Android." I don't think anyone doubts that Apple is upgrading the iPhone, but it might not be the kind of redesign the OP wants. Whatever the new iPhone looks like, there is zero chance that Android is going to "kick their butt" by any measure you want to use.
Who really cares? The title of this thread is "Competition". Competition is great for us as consumers. More choice of better devices. All of the major platforms are going to be around for at least 2-3 cell phone contracts. We can all "win" with whatever phone we pick.
- 09-15-2011, 09:21 AM #21
it completely boggles my mind as to why anyone who complains of how Apple should make their product sticks around, but yet here they are. obviously they like what they have, to a degree
call me crazy but i learned while growing up that if you did not like a situation you are in then do something about it. in this case, sell your iPhone and buy something else. do people really believe that they will find something they are 100% completely satisfied with? yeah, not gonna happen
my ****ing head is spinning with all the "Apple better do this or else.." posts, not only here but everywhere
- 09-15-2011, 11:00 AM #22
First of all, it's iPhone, not Iphone... Second, it's Android, not Droid.
Anyway, this year there is more demand for the new iPhone than ever before, and it hasn't even been announced yet, so I highly doubt Apple is going to have any trouble selling even more iPhones than they sold last year. Couple that with the Sprint launch, and iOS's iMessage feature luring in former BB users, and iPhone 5's launch seems veeeery promising.
Please show me one competing device that has outsold any single model of iPhone worldwide. Hasn't happened. The iPhone is one device. If you're going to talk about OS, you need to bring iPod touch and iPad into that conversation as well, because OS market share only matters for apps and developers, and iPod touch and iPad can use 99% of the iPhone's apps.
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- 09-15-2011, 01:37 PM #23
The average consumer doesn't care about the platform war. They just care about finding the best phone for them. Last quarter AT&T sold 5.6 million smartphones. 3.6 million of them were iPhones. That means that 6 out of 10 customers going into an AT&T store walked out with an iPhone. 4 out of 10 walked out with an Android, Blackberry, WP7 or WebOS phone. Verizon didn't report how many total smartphones they sold, but they did report that they sold 2.3 million iPhone 4s.
Yes, 0 out of 10 people walked out of a Sprint or T-Mobile store with an iPhone. Guess what the numbers will be when Apple makes an iPhone that is compatible on those networks?
- 09-15-2011, 09:08 PM #24
I have grown tired of the articles saying there is so much MORE demand for the iPhone 5 this year than iPhone 4 last year. That is a no DUH statement. But what really has gotten to me is the method of and number of people surveyed for the polls. Which have ranged from a 50 to 2200, which is hardly a large sample group and accosting passersby on the street to ask if they will buy an iPhone in NYC.
If you want a real market analysis done, then they should actually do a real one, taken from a broad segment of the US population and then tell us what it comes out as.
Analysts are idiots based on what they spew out, a kindergardener can tell you this years model is going to be hotter than last years model when it comes to Apple especially given the fact that it will be about 15-16 months since the iPhone 4 came out.
The problem really comes down to analysts trying to pull crap out of their butz and telling us is swiss chocolates.
I can tell you right now, that the iPhone 6 will be in higher demand than the iPhone 5 that hasn't even been released and we know nothing about iPhone 6. Wow, now I am an analyst offering up my perspective, how about that corner office and $500k a year.
- 09-15-2011, 09:39 PM #25