- 08-30-2011, 07:40 AM #76
That you state they have a large expense in manufacturing the iPhone 4 is somewhat misleading....the actual initial design phase is what is expensive, not the final execution of the product.
Do your homework.
- 08-30-2011, 07:48 AM #77
The main reason Apple decided to keep the lower end models was to increase the userbase....bring people into the ecosystem. Some people won't buy an iPhone due to the price...$199 is on the upper end of pricing in the US. Offering a $49-$99 pricepoint simply means that bringing people into the Apple ecosystem has offerings they will want.
This also leads back into my 'three phone' scenario. Currently, Android has 'free to stupendous' products. Apple has 'last years model and this years model', which simply cannot compete.
I am not saying I am right, but I believe this is the time that Apple has finally decided to increase their selection to more than one new style of phone; to accommodate the market.
Apple has never (in the past ten years) taken a serious misstep. They know they need to answer this call because the market demands it. What they do is either wait patiently and deliver the ultimate device or create an entirely new market segment.
Look back historically. You'll find that to be true.
The fact that I am not using an iPhone provides me clearer insight and no bias. It excites me to see the opportunity that Apple has right now and watch them execute on a level or brilliance that few other companies can match.
They are an excellent business model and one I reference often when I train my new hires.
- 08-30-2011, 07:57 AM #78
Here's my problem with what you said....you took it to an extreme.
Keep it relevant and on-topic, even if you don't like it, because it keeps this thread open and more importantly, respectful. I am not bashing anyone, simply stating my viewpoint. It's totally okay to differ.
I am merely stating that the business model for offering three products has never been stronger, the market seems to require multiple offerings to remain competitive and Apple doesn't make many missteps....so to me, Apple needs this to remain the industry leader.
Those who want, need or prefer a larger screened device will avoid Apple, and not just the device, but ultimately the ecosystem. You need to expand your thinking and look at the bigger picture. I'm not stating three phones because I think three phones sounds cool...I recognize marketshare loss and trending and analysis enough to know that the market requires more than two models now. Two years ago that market standard didn't exist.
Apple will continue to lose marketshare to Android until they answer that call.
Their ecosystem is their bread and butter. iCloud will create all sorts of ecosystem growth and without a device to support that (the larger screened iPhone) no one will enter that ecosystem.
Think big picture, my friend. It's about the end user experience, something Steve Jobs preaches...his mantra is all about the customer experience.
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- 08-30-2011, 08:55 AM #79
- 08-30-2011, 10:58 AM #80
The prototyping machines were not used for prototyping the iPhone 4, they were used for the actual manufacturing of the iPhone 4 (and still are). Clearly you are the one who needs to do your homework.
I'm not interested in responding to you anymore.
Also, 'simply can not compete', and yet it does compete, very strongly might I add. Apple has a higher market share than any one manufacturer.
- 08-30-2011, 12:28 PM #81
- 08-30-2011, 01:05 PM #82
- 08-30-2011, 10:43 PM #83
Marketshare per manufacturer is an irrelevant statistic to elevate the iPhone so you feel better. Android is beating the CRAP out of Apple, as an OS, period. Do you not read? Stop being a fanboi and see it for what it is. I am not trying to be negative. I am stating facts.
I am not bashing Apple, either, I hope you see that. I am stating that the time to step up is now.
Where did you get your facts from regarding the prototypes?
- 08-31-2011, 06:01 AM #84
I mean that's really the only real argument you could be making because you said you were "stating facts", and arguing that the OS is better than iOS would be purely...PURELY...an opinionated stance, and nothing reflective of a "fact".
I use an Android based phone nearly every day...and i wouldn't have it over even an iPhone 3GS. The operating system is clunky, clumsy and unpolished...it has a whole bunch of WOW factor on the home screen with widgets and a big clock, but there's nothing there that draws me away from my clean and polished iOS iPhone 4...NOTHING.
So what is better? The camera certainly isn't, my iPhone's camera takes an infinitely better quality picture. You can keep SD card memory, partitioning stuff on a card that can fail (and mine has) is not my forte. Larger screen? lol...still doesn't hold a candle to the retina displays quality, and destroys the battery (its sad how much less battery time the android gets, literally staggeringly less, even with tweaks to extend battery life). Android app store? LMFAO...right, it reminds me of the old Windows mobile OS store or the Sprint music, store, lol.
I could keep going, but i won't...because honestly, its an opinion of mine (did you see that? OPINION) that the iPhone is the better phone. And that leads me back to your post about Android beating the crap out of Apple right now...is that your opinion? If so, that's fine with me...we all have preference. But don't come in here pretending its fact...
- 08-31-2011, 07:34 AM #85
If you want to talk about OS market share, you need to consider the fact that iPod touches are not counted in these smartphone OS marketshare charts. There are around 50 million iPod touches out there, capable of using all the same apps as the iPhone. That's what matters to developers. Not to mention more than 20 million iPads out there, ready to use these apps as well. I work in this industry, I work with developers every day, and I know what I'm talking about. The money is in iOS and most developers are not even considering making Android their main platform. Why do you think most Android port apps suck? Why is the overall quality of Android apps worse? There is no money in making Android apps.
- 08-31-2011, 08:28 AM #86
- 08-31-2011, 09:06 AM #87
The difference between a big, popular, cross market app is not the performance, but the volume of user purchase...Angry Birds unquestionably runs the same on an Android based phone as it does on an iOS device, but more people are spending money on it using an iOS device, so when companies on the fence about cross marketing on multiple platforms, the automatic choice is iOS...every single time. Apple provides developers with more safe guards against copy cat developers, Apple provides better numbers (which equal better sales), they have a no non-sense way of submitting apps (as well as a well polished way)...and as far as I've read, an overwhelming majority of developers are happy with the way Apple handles their software.
It's like everything else in the Apple world...further polish. It applies to everything in their lineup...from MacBooks to iPods, while the competition may have features that you won't get on Apple products, some people just prefer a more refined experience.
It's like with cars...i have an M3, which quite honestly is nothing incredible as far as technology goes, its a well balanced car with a hell of an engine...then you have cars like the Nissan GTR, incredibly fast and chalk full of technology. In the market of cars, a new M3 and a GTR are in relatively similar markets...and while the Nissan offers me feature lists a mile long and proven performance in certain areas that rival cars 10 times as much money...i prefer the drive in the BMW...its feels more balanced...more refined, like an extra element of effort was put into it.
The GTR is a fine car and all...the PERFECT car for some people in fact, but its not for me, in fact...its far from it for me. This speaks a mirrored tale about my preference for the iPhone (and most Apple products at that).
- 08-31-2011, 09:10 AM #88
- 08-31-2011, 08:48 PM #89
You have it backwards, it's not that there's no money because the apps suck, the apps suck because there's no money to be made. So companies don't put a lot of resources into Android development, because the return is very low.
- 08-31-2011, 08:52 PM #90
I never said that Android was better, I said they are beating the crap out of Apple iPhone sales....and perhaps I should have clarified that.
So the fact that anyone and their dog can use Android as an OS is still marketshare, even if it is a horrible phone.
Just speaking to growth and marketshare, not quality.
iOS is very elegant. I don't recall making any disparaging comments towards the OS itself. Please show me if I did and I will apologize.
- 08-31-2011, 08:54 PM #91
- 08-31-2011, 08:55 PM #92
I never stated anything negative about the products, in fact, Apple makes the nicest and most well-built products out there. Please, show me where I made a negative comment.
I haven't. I haven't attacked anyone directly.
Just relax, grab a beer and chill.
Apple's ecosystem is spectacular.
Jello, I was discussing the iPhone not the iPod Touch or anything else, so please stay on topic.
- 08-31-2011, 08:59 PM #93
There is one iPhone, with one set of rules...that's it. Android has no rules, has a ridiculous number of handsets and lots of incompatibilities.
That's the problem. But there are a greater number of users.
Google is reigning in the issue of fragmentation, and soon we will see less and less differentiation between handsets and more control over who has what version number. They realize that mistake.
Apple did it right, but Android didn't do it wrong, just differently.
- 08-31-2011, 09:01 PM #94
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- 08-31-2011, 09:09 PM #96
- 08-31-2011, 09:49 PM #97
Oh yes let's have some personal insults. That really proves how mature you are over me.
With all due respect, I am not 15, I could buy beer if I chose to, although I wouldn't. (Oh, and even if I were 15, that would not make my opinions any less valid than yours, and my ability or inability to buy alcohol holds no bearing on that either.)
I actually have enough balls to put a picture of myself in my avatar, because I'm not afraid of what people will have to say about me.
Now, with regards to these issues, I actually work in this industry. I lead development of several applications on multiple platforms. I am a UI/UX designer and have conceptualized and designed several mobile applications on iOS, Android, and WP7. I am willing to bet (and have proven) that I know far more than either of you about this subject.
Can you guys please stop double posting as well? Thanks.
- 08-31-2011, 10:16 PM #98
I restrained myself, you let loose a little, and defensively I might add.
So take a pill, chill out and let it go. Hell, I didn't even start this thread, but I am the author it references.
As for your credentials, that's great, but no one is comparing themselves except you.
I thought you said you were done replying to me? Be true to your word. I have been since the beginning.
If it matters to you, I was in the industry probably before you were born.
- 08-31-2011, 10:46 PM #99
- 09-01-2011, 03:37 AM #100
"Android>Blackberry>Windows Phone7>Motorola Razr>Nokia Tracfone>dog ****>iPhone"
And it was a top-rated comment.
iPhone haters are more common in most online communities than iPhone owners, yet all they do is complain about iPhone "fanboys", constantly.