- 06-29-2011, 07:45 PM #2
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- 06-30-2011, 12:18 PM #10
Yes, it could brick the phone but a little "do it at you own risk " disclaimer would do it ( again , same as jailbreaking ), it's someone trying to install a beta software guys, not performing an open heart surgery on a 8 year old boy..
Relax and let's help him out
- 06-30-2011, 12:47 PM #11
Just because they can doesn't mean they should. And as has been pointed out, if they can't perform simple tasks (like editing the host file) without step by step instructions, what makes you or them think they would be able to handle the really tricky stuff?
Those who say "you shouldn't do it" aren't being exclusive... it's more a matter of protecting the n00bs from themselves.
And from a legal standpoint, Apple has said that it's for developers only who have agreed to the Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA)... so technically, we should not even be having this discussion.
- 06-30-2011, 01:48 PM #12
I just don understand why so many guys bere get so defensive about regular people asking stuff about betas..
- 06-30-2011, 01:53 PM #13
- 06-30-2011, 02:19 PM #14
And no one is defensive about anything... but if you have to have your hand held through the process, you should not be doing it ... in my opinion. What's so hard about that to get your head around?
- 06-30-2011, 02:26 PM #15
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- 06-30-2011, 03:22 PM #17
And i disagree, I'm a big guy... not a developer but know my way around installing betas, jailbreaking and going back to an old ios if i have too.
- 06-30-2011, 03:48 PM #18
- 06-30-2011, 04:19 PM #19
I stand by my original statement. If you don't know what a hosts file is, stay away from beta software.
- 06-30-2011, 04:59 PM #20
Part of being a developer is having access to resources regarding the beta that the public does not, from educational videos, to development tools, to release notes. The developers pay for these resources. As stated previously, developers also sign nda's. Those developers that are distributing beta software for a profit should be reported. The purpose of registering with the provisioning service is for developers to test their app on multiple devices against new software, not for a sneak peek.
Argue all you want, but the fact will remain that beta's are not intended for the general public.
Last edited by Rusty Shackelford; 06-30-2011 at 05:11 PM.
- 06-30-2011, 05:15 PM #21
It's kind of a double standard to me since we have Ally Kazmucha providing excellent posts pretty much " babysitting" people into jailbreaking, reviewing apps like myfy or mywi ( whatever they are called ) that violates the contract with at&t and we have dedicated forums about jailbreaking even helping people with bricked iphones.
Not six months ago Apple was going to the federal goverment saying jailbreaking violates their copyright and it clearly violates their AUP but hey!!! Who am I to tell you this!!! Head on to the jailbreak community and we'll babysit and help you out.... but dont come to the ios5 forum for help or you'll be kicked out.
Hope you see my point..
- 06-30-2011, 05:30 PM #22
That being said, it is equally irritating when people post basic questions in the jailbreak forums without doing their due diligence and reading a bit before posting.
- 06-30-2011, 05:35 PM #23
- 06-30-2011, 05:45 PM #24
It is still against Apple's terms to jailbreak and it could be as hard to do as installing beta software, and there is development in jailbreaking, what are you talking about ... hundreds of guys out there developing for the jailbreak community and many of us testing their apps..
No way around it dude.... Betas are NOT intended for non developers but I stand by my jailbreak argument... Because that's what everybody replied to me " Apple does not want non developers using beta" and neither people to jailbreak and we still support it..
- 06-30-2011, 06:02 PM #25
My final word on the subject is as follows:
The courts have upheld my right as an iPhone owner to perform a jailbreak process and run software not authorized or blessed by Apple. Apple doesn't like it, but the courts have ruled. Caveat emptor. My phone, public domain software, my risk.
Apple has released the beta versions of their software to a restricted, closed community of developers who have signed legally binding NDAs... an act which they are violating by sharing the software and/or even discussing it in a public forum. Were Apple to have to notion to pursue those violators, the courts would most assuredly side with Apple against the developers. Your phone, copyright protected, early release, NDA protected private software, your risk.
Either way, if you need help with figuring something out, ask and see if you can get some help. If you don't understand the basics of any of it and need to be hand held through the process, you should not be doing it. I do agree with you that there is little difference between the mechanics of the JB process and the beta software... but we disagree in that if you don't know what you're doing, go away... Mommy can't help you, and, frankly, you're in over your head in that case.
And to me, the main difference is the legality of it all: JB is legal. Gaining access to and installing illegal/unauthorized, pre-release copyrighted software is NOT. No way around that, no matter how you try.
Last edited by Fausty82; 06-30-2011 at 06:08 PM.