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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Sorry to revive this old thread, but this is similar to a query I have right now.

    I'm also planning on buying a bad ESN (Verizon) iPhone 5 from CL, but only for use abroad. My questions are:

    1. If it comes activated and I then just take it abroad, it should work with any international GSM carrier right (because I've heard that all Verizon iPhone 5's come international unlocked by default; as for the CDMA/GSM issue, this article on CNET.com says that even a CDMA iPhone 5 can work on basic GSM networks abroad, which is all I need).

    2. If it doesn't come unlocked, or if I upgrade the firmware in the future, will it then go through the activation process through iTunes? If so, I'm assuming that it will then lock me out. However, if a jailbreak is available for that firmware version, then it should allow me to bypass activation right (just like redsn0w allows for ios 6.1.1 at the present time)?

    3. If for some reason, the phone is unusable when I buy it, I'm willing to pay a bit extra for an ESN cleaning service. After that, will I still have to pay for an unlocking service, or will the original factory unlock suffice?
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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Thanks for your offer of help, but I don't actually need to find out why the ESN is bad. I just want to know if a bad ESN phone can be used abroad without any sort of activation process. Like I said, if not then I'm willing to pay for an ESN cleaning service, and there's a Verizon web page that gives you the status of a phone by entering its MEID number, so that you can check before using such services (because they don't clean ESN's which are still linked to an active account, only those that are linked to lost/stolen phones).
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    A really nice iPod touch.
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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Err, I'm sure there are more helpful answers than that. From what I've researched online, a bad ESN phone can actually be useful in quite a few cases, e.g. flashing it to a smaller carrier such as Metro and using it there, using it abroad, etc. If anyone has any actual experience or knowledge in this regard, it'd be great to hear from them, especially if they can answer my earlier questions.
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    Default is a iphone 4 with bad esn worth anything

    Quote Originally Posted by ammarkr View Post
    Sorry to revive this old thread, but this is similar to a query I have right now.

    I'm also planning on buying a bad ESN (Verizon) iPhone 5 from CL, but only for use abroad. My questions are:

    1. If it comes activated and I then just take it abroad, it should work with any international GSM carrier right (because I've heard that all Verizon iPhone 5's come international unlocked by default; as for the CDMA/GSM issue, this article on CNET.com says that even a CDMA iPhone 5 can work on basic GSM networks abroad, which is all I need).

    2. If it doesn't come unlocked, or if I upgrade the firmware in the future, will it then go through the activation process through iTunes? If so, I'm assuming that it will then lock me out. However, if a jailbreak is available for that firmware version, then it should allow me to bypass activation right (just like redsn0w allows for ios 6.1.1 at the present time)?

    3. If for some reason, the phone is unusable when I buy it, I'm willing to pay a bit extra for an ESN cleaning service. After that, will I still have to pay for an unlocking service, or will the original factory unlock suffice?
    Yes it will work international because the gsm part is unlocked

    If its Verizon it is unlocked

    You can jb to get past activation screen but updating normally don't require activation only a restore

    I'm not aware of a ESN cleaning for Verizon I have only seen offers for sprint

    ESN is only going to effect the CDMA radio and activation on Verizon ..

    Since its unlocked you could get a straight talk sim for in the US


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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Wow, thank you Peligro911 for the very detailed and helpful answer.

    I'm probably gonna go ahead and buy the phone off CL, but I'll first check if it's unlocked for international use by inserting a non-US SIM (or by using an online service that checks the phone's status using the IMEI/MEID number; know of any reliable ones?). That should do the trick. If what I've read online about Verizon now selling all iPhone 5's factory unlocked for international use is true, then I should be good to go to use the phone abroad without worrying about any of the ESN cleaning / phone unlocking hassle.

    You can jb to get past activation screen but updating normally don't require activation only a restore
    Do you mean to say that if I update the firmware, either through iTunes or OTA on the phone itself, then it won't require activation? But if I carry out the restore option through iTunes, then it will require activation?

    ESN is only going to effect the CDMA radio and activation on Verizon ..
    So does that mean that even if I have to go through the activation process, as long as I have a Verizon SIM (and I'm on an international carrier), the activation should complete ok?

    Do you have any idea if Apple also stores information on blacklisted phones in its database? If so, then it might lock me out during the activation process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ammarkr View Post
    Wow, thank you Peligro911 for the very detailed and helpful answer.

    I'm probably gonna go ahead and buy the phone off CL, but I'll first check if it's unlocked for international use by inserting a non-US SIM (or by using an online service that checks the phone's status using the IMEI/MEID number; know of any reliable ones?). That should do the trick. If what I've read online about Verizon now selling all iPhone 5's factory unlocked for international use is true, then I should be good to go to use the phone abroad without worrying about any of the ESN cleaning / phone unlocking hassle.



    Do you mean to say that if I update the firmware, either through iTunes or OTA on the phone itself, then it won't require activation? But if I carry out the restore option through iTunes, then it will require activation?



    So does that mean that even if I have to go through the activation process, as long as I have a Verizon SIM (and I'm on an international carrier), the activation should complete ok?

    Do you have any idea if Apple also stores information on blacklisted phones in its database? If so, then it might lock me out during the activation process.
    I think if Verizon black lists it then it won't activate even with a diff sim but I'm not sure

    I know for a fact Verizon 5 is unlocked I have seen it

    Not sure about apple but I don't think so

    Also if its a att or sprint model I would check for unlock status but Verizon model your good to go


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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    you can use it as an iPod Touch
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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    I am going to add to this pool of questions .. Found an Iphone 4s in wal-Mart parking lot .. esn is no good reported as stolen .. Verizon confirmed this for me .. been using it as an Ipod .. is there any hope for using this as a phone??
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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vyceroy View Post
    ... is there any hope for using this as a phone??
    No.

    If the original owner replaced their phone via insurance, the recovered device is technically property of the insurance company... if the SIM is unlocked, it could be used overseas on GSM networks.... or, here in the US on a GSM network with a foreign provider's SIM in it and roaming on one of the US GSM provider's networks. Once a phone is on Verizon's ESN/MEID deny list - it is not likely they'll remove it.
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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    An iPod....
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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Thanks for the help .. i have been using it as an Ipod since mine fell through a hole in my motorcycle saddle bag .. better camera and 8 gig more than what i used to have .. win win
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    Default re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vyceroy View Post
    Thanks for the help .. i have been using it as an Ipod since mine fell through a hole in my motorcycle saddle bag .. better camera and 8 gig more than what i used to have .. win win
    don't know why people put there cellphones in there saddle bags spend money for a good hip case that way it won't get lost or stolen
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    Default Re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    You should contact Apple and it can be returned to it's rightful owner that reported it stolen. If you hit a brick wall (doubtful) then it's valuable if you unlock it so that it can be used on another carrier. I don't know all the details but I know people do it all the time and they sell for hundreds on eBay because it can be done. You need to do the right thing first though, it's not wise to keep a stolen iphone. Iphone's have a "find my iphone" feature so if you're using it the original owner can potentially track it down.
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    Default Re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Do you know if after 6 months, Sprint will activate a phone that has a bad ESN? The phone isn't stolen, the guy just owes on it & it's still activated on his suspended account.
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    Default Re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherry Ballard View Post
    Do you know if after 6 months, Sprint will activate a phone that has a bad ESN? The phone isn't stolen, the guy just owes on it & it's still activated on his suspended account.
    No. Not until the balance is paid.
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    Default Re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Hey we just bought a iPhone 4 for Verizon from a guy and verizon can't take the phone number off does that mean the esn is bad and what can we do to fix it
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    Default Re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by shredhead16 View Post
    Hey we just bought a iPhone 4 for Verizon from a guy and verizon can't take the phone number off does that mean the esn is bad and what can we do to fix it
    Likely means the phone is on an account that has a past-due balance, and Verizon will not allow the phone on another account until the other account's issues are resolved.
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    Default Re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Im in the position of buying an iphone 4s (ATT) unlocked with a bad esn. Can I use it in Europe in a GSM network?
    My issue here : is the iphone 4S a cdma phone or a gsm phone? if it's cdma it's useless for me because i don't have a cdma network in my country.
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    Default Re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    I'm in the position of buying Apple iPhone 4S - 16GB - Black (AT&T) unlocked but with bad esn. Will it work on a GSM carrier in Europe?
    How can i know if it is actually CDMA or GSM?
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    Default Re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by coup3z View Post
    I'm in the position of buying Apple iPhone 4S - 16GB - Black (AT&T) unlocked but with bad esn. Will it work on a GSM carrier in Europe?
    How can i know if it is actually CDMA or GSM?
    The ATT phone is GSM. No idea if the bad ESN will affect using it.
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    Default Re: Is an iPhone 4 with a bad ESN worth anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karenkcoulter View Post
    The ATT phone is GSM. No idea if the bad ESN will affect using it.
    ESNs haven been in vogue for a while now... it's MEID... and those can be used as a means of identifying a device as lost or stolen and carriers may deny service to the device based on the MEID being in a lost/stolen "deny" database.
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    Carriers in the states, but if I bring the iphone in Europe, will there be a check-up or some sort before activating it?
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