- 03-10-2011, 06:29 PM #101
+1 IcyHot1966...: When I take my car to the mechanic for service, I don't see people who own a different brand of car hanging out in the waiting room telling me how much better their brand of car is than mine, lol...
I think if they were that happy or secure in their own choice of product, they wouldn't be hanging out here talking trash about ours, but that's just my opinion.
We're free to buy and use whichever phone we want, based on our preferences and/or needs.
Even both networks are up front about their strengths and weaknesses in their own advertising, which is rare in advertising. Verizon's network is more reliable in the most places with much more expansive coverage particularly for 3G and the fewest dropped calls overall. AT&T's network gives you faster data speeds and the ability to do simultaneous voice and data without the need for WiFi in the areas where it actually does provide good coverage.
For me, as a longtime AT&T user since 1996 living in NYC and often travelling for work to L.A., Chicago, Denver, Atlanta and much of the NorthEast, I found that what was most important to me was... ...being able to make, receive and sustain phone calls with reliable 3G connectivity. I made the switch to Verizon years ago and haven't looked back. My calls never get dropped, I always have reliable coverage for voice and 3G wherever I go and I can't do simul voice/data. I am very happy with my choice, hence I do not feel the need to go on AT&T forums and post about how "mine is better than yours" haha...!
+1 Can't we all just get along?
- 03-10-2011, 07:37 PM #102
- 03-10-2011, 07:43 PM #103
- 03-10-2011, 08:00 PM #104
None of the cars he services has problems that the other ones don't.
As an Apple shareholder, I don't see this as a good thing when the products that you and I own, and apparently are to some degree "fans" of, are fragmented such as this.
I see no reason why any should be "penalized" for buying an iPhone which just so happens to be on the best carrier for their particular needs, whichever carrier that may be.
And that's part of what's happening here. Not admitting it, or attempting to look at it through rose colored glasses, doesn't change it. IF I want an iPhone on the most dependable carrier in my area, then I have to give up timely updates to the phone's operating system. That's not right.
Why penalize an iPhone purchaser, for going with the carrier which was the one he felt best in his area, by delaying his updates? How does that make good business sense? You're punishing him for going with what he felt was the most solid carrier. And eventually he is going to get pi$$ed off and buy another phone.
It is unfortunate that some are so shortsighted to see that concern as somehow gloating.
If this is the manner which Apple and Verizon are going to go in, then nothing good can come of it.
Some people are going to become pi$$ed and swear to never buy an Apple iPhone again because of this sort of practice.
And if/when this happens, then a phone which was a major player in the industry, could end up losing market share, and as that directly relates to me, the price of my shares goes down.
So you can holler all of this fanboi crap you want, the bottom line is that it is not just you guys who chose Verizon as your carrier, who have a stake in this and who may be affected by it.
You want to call me a fanboi, then call me an Apple fanboi. And a shareholder to boot. And as such, it is impossible for me to benefit from, or feel good about the iphone being fragmented like it is now. They screw you, they could very well end up screwing me. Them putting you to a disadvantage, benefits me in no way. Indeed it more than likely works to my detriment.
A couple things can happen out of this.
1. As mentioned above, a backlash against Apple could occur as a result because people waited so long for that phone, and when they finally get it, they have to wait even longer for it to be updated to be even with the other version of the same phone. This could wind up being a marketing and public relations screw up by Apple.
2. A backlash against Verizon. Some who are not so techno savvy are going to see this as a shortcoming of the carrier when they see others with a different carrier being able to do things with their phones which are supposed to be the same as theirs, that they cannot do.
If a similar update is not soon forthcoming to owners of the Verizon iPhone, then a class action lawsuit is not out of the realm of possibility, along with many new customers being alienated and swearing off Apple products in the future.
This has the potential to blow up in either Apple's face, Verizon's face, (I don't care if it blows up in Verizon's face) or both Apple and Verizon's faces unless they get their rear ends in gear and bring the CDMA version iOS 4.3 or something comparable......sooner rather than later.
Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-10-2011 at 08:45 PM.
- 03-10-2011, 08:17 PM #105
I see it as a tough argument. You have some saying chill out it will come others who say Apple should have it out ASAP. I used to waiting being a previous android owner but Apple new VZW was getting the iPhone long long before we had a clue. There is honestly no reason for the update not being compatible with the VZW iPhone in that time or to at least prepared a statement to buyers as to why it's not compatible.
Yes i don't like to wait but I can. Should I have to wait without Apple telling me why the update isn't ready, NO. All we need is re reason why no matter how big or small. Would satisfy most users.
- 03-11-2011, 02:08 PM #107
Another little rant for people who validate Apple in saying, "we waited for years so we can wait for 4.3." Just bc we waited for years to get the iPhone doesn't mean we are subjected to having to wait months for a 0.4 increment update without reason. Some people are fine with waiting but I bought an iPhone to use it to it's full potential, not watch others do it.
- 03-11-2011, 02:14 PM #108
Verizon is legendary in the Blackberry community for taking far longer to test and evaluate OS updates than any other carrier. I have no info but strongly suspect that this is what is going on here.
Regarding you suggestion of a class action lawsuit, that's some funny stuff right there. How come VZW and RIM haven't ever been sued for the delayed release of VZW versions of Blackberry OS's, which has happened regularly over the last several years?
- 03-11-2011, 02:49 PM #109
- 03-11-2011, 02:57 PM #110
Grow up and relax, we will get an update eventually. Your over-exaggerations are worse than a teenage girl
- 03-11-2011, 03:43 PM #111
As far as VZW goes, I didn't even know they had a say in releasing iPhone updates. That responsibility is all Apple and that won't change. VZW just carries the phone but Apple releases updates for their phone when they want, not when the carrier says they can. Any arguments against Verizon are pretty much moot in regards to iOS.
- 03-11-2011, 05:25 PM #113
Just "Relax" and "bend over, here it comes again, don't struggle, argue or complain, and it won't hurt so much", is an attitude many choose not to take.
"Relax"? No, you go ahead and "relax". Why shouldn't they keep putting it to you if all you are going to do is "relax" and take it?
Eventually someone is liable to get upset enough about it to do more than simply take it sitting down.
In a time and age when when McDonalds can be successfully sued over a cup of hot coffee scalding someone trying to add cream and sugar to it in their laps and between their legs, and ultimately spilling it on themselves, you betcha, in a society as litigious as this one, were a class action suit in a situation like this one brought, well, other than yourself, it would surprise few.
Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-11-2011 at 10:20 PM.
- 03-11-2011, 05:30 PM #114
- 03-11-2011, 08:38 PM #115
Dude, my message wasn't directed toward you, it was directed toward the AT&T lurkers on here who are only interested in posting about how much better AT&T is than Verizon on this Verizon forum.
Having said that, don't worry about your Apple shares. People like us on these forums represent an overwhelming minority of users. The average Joe or Jane can barely tell you which version of Windows their office PC is running, let alone that Apple issued AT&T iOS 4.3 but Verizon is still on 4.2.6.
My mechanic analogy wasn't the most applicable, but comparing not getting a timely OS update to getting raped??? Really??? Hahaha... Take it easy, man. Breathe! It's gonna be okay...
- 03-11-2011, 08:43 PM #116
This cat, who clearly hates Verizon over something that happened at a previous time, is in here trying to make us feel bad. Do you feel the need to point out you have 4.3 and we don't, or are we not grown up enough to keep up with the tech news. I think we are the latter, so therefore I would classify you as an AT&T troll. I have 4.3 on my iPad. I personally don't see anything groundbreaking about it. I'm sure I speak on behalf of the vast majority in the Verizon forums when I say PLEASE take your ball and go home to the AT&T forums. No one here wants to play with you anymore.
- 03-11-2011, 09:15 PM #117
- 03-11-2011, 09:23 PM #118
- 03-11-2011, 09:26 PM #119
- 03-11-2011, 10:07 PM #120
This time, it's your hardware which is not being updated in a timely fashion.
Next time, it could just as easily be mine.
You, for whatever convoluted reason, seem to think that I am somehow "happy" about that.
I think many consumers should be vocal when they have either praise or criticism for any product.
How timely they will be in equalling the playing field by doing a similar iOS update for the CDMA phone should tell us a lot about how serious they are about avoiding fragmentation between the two devices.
How quickly they support you, could very well be an indicator as to how quick they'll support me, when or if, the CDMA version of the phone gets a software update that the GSM phone doesn't.
If they drag their feet on this, well then we'll know that this is not a priority for them, and it is my hope, and yes, my belief, that this isn't the case.
This situation, could just as easily have worked the other way and who knows, next time it just might.
So when people say that they are upset about it, I know I would be.
If they are doing this to you, well then who's next???? That's right, probably me. So people need to be vocal about it.
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- 03-12-2011, 01:14 AM #121
Iphonefour, you are a classic example of a Troll, but you are too *%$#@* to see it, and no amount of reasoning ANYONE does, you will never get it. Actually, I think you do...you just choose to continue to antagonize. People like you get a kick out of it, and eventually you bring people down to your level. I am throwing the white flag. I surrender to your antics. I have children, and I much rather play with them instead of children on TiPB forum.
- 03-12-2011, 10:37 AM #122
Through the discussion, I have tried to remain civil, stick to the facts, and use
them to form and state my own opinions. That's basically how a "forum"
works. In the instance when my words were taken to mean that I thought some were "duped" I was quick to respond that this was not my intent. I have tried to be, and will continue to be civil in the discussion.
My time in this section of the forum I'd explain like this: it is important to learn not only of one's own products, but that of the competing products.
Just because I bought one, doesn't mean that I am stuck with it. If the other is "better" then I want to know that so that I have the option to make a move to it should I have the means.
"Measure twice, cut once", you'll sometimes hear. It's a good practice. But
even when it's been measured twice, or even three times, before it's cut.....it still has to be confirmed that it fits.
And if not, if it isn't confirmed that it fits, well then it has to be discarded and another piece cut and put into it's place.
With any product in one's possession, there is nothing wrong with confirmation that what they have is the best one for them. That it's the best possible "fit". That's part of how we make that "next" purchasing decision. If it can't be confirmed, well then it's time to move to something else.
How can one make a comparative analysis between the others if he or she is unfamiliar with both the upside and downsides of each?
And the best place to find that out, is from the owners of the other product. It is not from the company's ad copy and such? The users of the product. What do they have to say about it? It is on their forums, and in their meetings where you will find the real truth about the product.
That's what I'm trying to find out. I already know a great deal about the product I own, but I am interested in really knowing if there is something better for me than it is and move to it, if that is the case.
That is all.
Now I could watch all of that in silence. But I should also be able to post my observations and opinions on what I see in the discussion. You can, why can't I??? That's the other part of what a forum is about.
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- 03-12-2011, 11:33 AM #123
Iphonefour, you're being pompous. Seriously dude, I could read your posts with a nice prissy english accent and make a ytmnd out of it, and it'd be hilarious.
Anyway, my little contribution here is that the buck does stop with VZW, and that to say they aren't heavily influencing this software update is just naive. What a silly notion.
With that considered I'm very happy with my iPhone 4 and this causes very little frustration. I've owned a Droid and Droid X. Software updates are dead to me
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- 03-12-2011, 12:20 PM #124
Who is he trying to fool Ardoreal, himself?? Because no one here is lol. In his last post he claims to be "checking out the competition" and if its better, he said he could "move to it". He is so full of sh*t he is stinking up the forum lol. I say that because he hates Verizon. As a matter of fact, he had his "last straw" with them over a Blackberry, according to him. I copied and pasted something from him from one of his previous posts here. For your viewing pleasure
I don't want to say that you personally were "duped". Nor do I want to say that your phone is not an iphone4.
I just see, what I see, and I see it as somewhat of a slap in the face and more of VZW's shortcomings when it comes to the iPhone4.
Some of the shenanigans I went through when I was with them.
The "last straw" for me was the Blackberry Storm and then trying to charge me for one of the multiple ones I had to return to them.
My wife and I had 8 Blackberry Storms between us. She wanted to wait on the VZW iPhone4, I went ahead on Labor day and got the ATT version, while she continued to struggle with VZW, fighting them over a better than $300.00 bill for a returned Blackberry. All the while she still kept VZW.
Swore she wouldn't switch and would tough it out until the iPhone4 for VZW came out.
Finally, she could take no more, seeing that charge for that returned Blackberry, still on her bill, and in November, after all of her talk of "dropped calls" and vowing how she would never go back to AT&T, I bought her an Iphone4 while she held onto her 4th and last VZW Blackberry.
So she had two phones. Supposedly for "backup" since AT&T in her mind, dropped an excessive number of calls though she had not had AT&T for several years.
AT&T had a 30 day return on the iPhone4. (VZW only had a 15 day return when they came out with it, but I digress and don't want to get sidetracked on yet another point). I could bring it back if she didn't like it. I told her if it dropped a single call, that back to ATT it would go. Just give it a chance.
I haven't been able to get it away from her since the day I bought it. She is constantly using it at one time or another.
It works like it's supposed to, and every iOS 4.x iPhone feature, with the exception of the hot spot, which will be available in a few days, is available to it.
No dropped calls, no problems, just great service and absolute full functionality of the devices, without having to pull batteries, and without having to fight with the carrier over bogus charges.
So we can have our cake, and eat it too.
Then from the sidelines, I see the marketing campaign for the iPhone4, with VZW knowing full well the limitations their network puts on the device's capabilities.
And now, approximately a month later this latest shoe drops. iOs 4.3 coming out for the other iPhone4, with great new features, to go along with the other great features available on the other network carrying the phone, but no word on when it will be out for the VZW version of the phone.
Another slap in the face, that fortunately this time, I won't have to take.
It's just that after being screwed so many times by them, I am immensely glad that I am no longer in a position to be screwed by them any further. Glad I got out when the getting was still good, and feel somewhat bad to see others getting what appears to be hosed by them, even though I am absent.
This latest news on iOS 4.3, sort of cements it. I see them up to their same old tricks.
End of copy and paste lol.........so, can you say TROLL???
- 03-12-2011, 01:16 PM #125
I see what you're saying, icyhot. I actually agree too. My iPhone is fantastic and people who like to being up the network speed issue clearly don't travel much.
I've used AT&T's 3G in Denver, SanFrancisco, SLC, Houston, and Chicago and it's royally sucked in all those areas. Only in the most ideal situation that's opposite from peak hours do you have a decent experience. VZ might be a bit slower but the experience is the same everywhere. I'd rather have consistently good than "occasionally great". If you don't think along those lines then you're just a tool who needs to stfu.
Furthermore, the iPhone 4 on iOS 4.2 is still far superior to every other smartphone available on VZW, so no complaints here. I'm happy with Apple AND VZW.
But yeah, iphonefour is digging himself a hole. There is an easy solution though, put him on ignore. I already have. F that guy he can just talk to himself here.
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