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Can Apple's iOS really beat Google's Android?
if the iPhone can beat Android as a mobile phone OS. I still donít think it can in the long run, but a CDMA or dual-band iPhone will certainly give Android a run for its money in the mobile space. However, Iíll gladly take some fragmentation if it means I can have a variety of devices made smarter, better, and more connected by their use of Android. Hardware and software developers donít think of iOS as an embedded operating system. Android, on the other hand, can absolutely be the embedded OS for a new generation of devices. And several million smartphones along the way.
- 10-27-2010, 07:54 PM #2
Beat Android? The majority of the reviews since the iPhone 4's release up to this point have iOS as the dominant and preferred platform by users and developers...the question should be can Android beat iOS? Especially given how dynamic iOS is going to become given it is being rooted into the entire Apple world (macs, iPods, iPhones, iPads).
Apple has nothing to worry about...Android (google) and Windows have worlds of catching up to do before their systems are even on the level...even Android phone fan boys will say that, while they prefer the open nature of their phones, they wish the OS ran as smoothly as iOS does...i dont think you'll find an iPhone owner on the planet that would say "I love my iPhone, but i wish it ran more like an Android"...
- 10-27-2010, 09:21 PM #3
- 10-27-2010, 09:37 PM #4
- 10-27-2010, 09:40 PM #5
- 10-27-2010, 10:41 PM #6
With android, theres like 50 million phones, some running 1.6, some 2.0, some others. Some with one UI, some with another. You will not get the same experience on a motorolla, as you get on HTC.
Consumers don't want confusion. They want to "keep it simple stupid"
- 10-27-2010, 11:06 PM #7
They usually don't care that phone X runs 1.6 and phone Y runs 2.0. They want a phone on Cricket, Metro PCS, Sprint, T-Mobile (without jailbreaking), Verizon or whatever local carrier suits them. That's choice. Apple has NEVER done that. It's their way or the highway. That is why iOS will NEVER win the smartphone "wars". Yes it's fragmented, but clearly that isn't affecting people's wallets.
Where does Apple get it right? Design, ecosystem, and simplicity. I love how I can pick up an iPad, iPhone, iPod Touch and even an iPod Nano and know immediately how to use it. It's consistent, it's smooth, and for me it just works. I don't see myself switching to a different phone anytime soon, if ever. But don't think I am fully satisfied with Apple. There are many glaring issues that Apple has its head so far up its *** in iOS that it frustrates a lot of iPhone users, including myself, AT&T not withstanding in some areas.
Android is going to win the marketshare in the end. That's clear as day. But for any clown to believe that iOS will be obliterated and suffer the fate of RIM and Windows based phones needs to get a cat scan to locate the tumor that is clearly pressing against the cognitive processing centers of their brain.
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- 10-28-2010, 03:10 AM #8
They won't if google keeps Stealing peoples information.
Yes people want choice, but they also don't want confusion. If I was in the market for an android phone, and like many, don't care if google steals my information, I would want then product line to be short and simple, since many of the phones come close in terms of design, features, and price.
I don't see the need 500 million models. Then again, we are talking about Eric shemit here, a former apple chairman, who's about as worse as mark zukerman when it comes to privacy.
- 10-28-2010, 06:12 AM #9
Actually "choice" is not winning.. Maybe in the US where there are dozens of android phones available on every carrier that doesn't have the iPhone, but here in Canada where the iPhone is on almost every carrier it's very hard for android to gain traction. For every 1 person I see with an android phone, there's easily 10 with an iPhone. I really think that if AT&T lost exclusivity in June 2009, the whole "Droid" campaign wouldn't have even happened.
- 10-28-2010, 06:14 AM #10
Also (sorry for double post), Android is only popular worldwide because any cheap ridiculous manufacturer can slap one of the various Android releases on their terrible devices.
- 10-28-2010, 07:43 AM #11
If it wasn't for android, carriers like Sprint & Verizon wouldn't have much going for them. But they're able to offer iphone alternatives for their subscribers. But do keep in mind these subscribers are only settling for androids because they've no other choice and what they really want, an iphone, isn't available to them.
As to fragmentation, i would be more concerned with support. I wouldn't care what another android has on it since i wouldn't have that android. But i would want the latest android OS & updates asap. I would want an app store that has apps tailor made for my android device. I wouldn't want to be dependent on my carrier for those updates or have to put up with carrier BS on my device.
With Apple, i deal with Apple. I hardly deal with AT&T. For the rest of any iOS shortcomings or to deal with any carrier BS (such as wifi only apps), i can jailbreak.
Android as a platform will have more sales than iOS. But Apple is more of a premium brand. It's not often you see a premium provider lead in market share. Apple is more concerned about profit margin and tying their ecosystem together.
Android is several brands. Few well done, most not well done. Cheap, midlevel, it all has a place in the android platform. In the end, google gets what it wants..a presence for its search, apps, and ads. And customers get their cheap inferior iphone alternative.
- 10-28-2010, 09:07 AM #12
Id also like to point out that having 1,000 variations of phones with your OS on it doesnt necessarily = a worthy contender. Market dominance is only a legitimate argument if your product is something people want as well...if you slap Android on every phone in the world besides the iPhone then you simply have a mirrored situation of Microsoft vs. Apple...does this mean good money for Google (Android)? Of course...it also means they dominate the market by sheer numbers...not by a better product.
Apple doesnt make a perfect product...but the truth of it is, as i have come to understand Apple over the years of buying their products, is that while not perfect, the products make the consumer more than happy...and when they take slow steps in development, it usually means they have found something WORTH being patient with so that they can release a version of that "something" that blows people away...i dont care what complaints you have with the iPhone 4, this thing is THE ****, and when i first saw it previewed i was wow'ed...and to this day, having had it since release, im still 110% satisfied with it.
I dont know one android owner who feels the same way about their phone...even a buddy of mine that is a no non-sense android supporter who wont touch an apple product says that he anxiously awaits the next phone in hopes that it fixes everything that his doesnt do...Pretty much every iPhone owner i know, while excited about the next big iPhone release, isnt sitting around excited because they arnt happy with their current iPhone.
- 10-28-2010, 01:29 PM #13
Which android do you mean? Google android? Verizon android? Dell android? HTC sense? Nook? Blur? Walgreens android? Amazon android? Archos android? Touch wiz?
This is choice? A lot like the pc market. You see the main reason in my opinion that windows won the os wars in the day was because of apps. Office and Internet explorer and outlook. Not because the pc was better. Computers are tools are useless if they can't be used. Apple has more apps but also better ones. Example: sonos remote
Today a lot of pundits are saying that android = windows and iOS = the Macintosh. Wake up android fans. There are a couple of more players here to look at.
Wp7 has tight integration with 90%of pc's with zune xbox as well as a brand new interface.
RIM has a rabid following with almost every fortune 500 company using it's service.
Palm and HP and this has been ignored supplies the majority of the world's printers to the consumer and business. Lot of people buy HP computers simply to integrate well with their printer
And of course apple with their "it just works" philosophy is highly appealing to many folks.
The arrogance of android lovers gets me at times. There will be outrage when they find their market share begin to wane in the midst of new competition. iOS users need not worry too much. Same with rim. As most people who buy these devices stick with them. Most people who bought the droid, evo or galaxy s bought then IMO because they had no real choice.
So when there really is choice in the future, we will see who comes out on top. Don't throw the victory parade just because you threw a td in the first quarter.
- 10-28-2010, 03:01 PM #14
The thing i bring up to android owners all the time that try and argue the fact that android has the market overshadowed is choose an android, and compare it to the iPhone and see where it stands. Choose the closest competitor of the iPhone (arguably the Droid X) and see where it stands as far as overshadowing...
The Android is the closest attempt...but its real competition is the windows 7 phones, not the iPhone, when Google has its own Android and its everything people wanted and more, the droid fan boys will have some ground to stand on.
- 10-28-2010, 06:13 PM #15
Another thing that bothers me about android is the longevity (or lackthereof) of the product. My friend has a Droid with 2.2 and it is stupidly slow compared to my 3GS on 4.1... I found it quite laughable considering the Droid was released AFTER the 3GS, and was a VERY successful device. It's about as slow as a 3G with 4.1 in my opinion. And that's a device that GOT the update, nevermind all the countless devices that never will despite great popularity (Xperia X10, samsung devices before galaxy S)...
- 10-28-2010, 06:55 PM #16
I don't know what people mean by 'beat'. Market share? Well, in the US, Android has more share than iOS due to Apple's deal with AT&T, but that's due to change soon. Beat as far as pleasant to use? The only Android phone I looked at which I thought was a real competitor to my iPhone was the Incredible and that has some issues that the iPhone has addressed.
If rumors are right and we have a Verizon iPhone in two months, the balance will shift to iOS having share over Android but it has to happen soon. Much more delay and Android will have a share which will be impossible for iOS to overcome.
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Not sure if it will even matter which OS is better. The 2 phones will be judged on their overall performance, and one factor here accessibility of apps. Apple seems to be winning here, because there's only one apple app store, vs android's 4-7 stores. Too many stores confuses people.
- 10-29-2010, 02:13 PM #20
I'm sure many would want a Ferrari, but will chose Kia or ford because of the huge price difference.
Cell phones are a bit different and now a days it seems to boil down to personal preifence.
- 10-29-2010, 03:19 PM #21
I had lunch with a guy who owns maybe 10 T-Mob authorized stores. He was amazed at the speed of the iPhone - not so much in data comms but in how quickly it responds in general. Apparently nothing he sells can match it (he said).
- 10-29-2010, 05:37 PM #22
iTunes =! App Store.
The App Store is effing amazing, and for me it's the biggest reason why I won't leave iOS.
iTunes (on the PC, at least) is a bloated piece of software that is very annoying and limited for the sake of being consistent. If it weren't for iTunes you wouldn't be able to seamlessly transition between one iPhone to the next. I still have text messages from 2008. Android has no equivalent to iTunes' services.
And having multiple app stores in my opinion makes Android a very weak platform. If all of the apps can't be downloaded universally on all phones, it defeats the purpose of putting Android on everything. Developers will not be submitting their apps to the Android Marketplace, Android PSN, HTC 99 Sense Store, Moto Blore, Verizon V-Cast FiOS Super 4G Store, and whatever the heck else the future brings...
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- 10-29-2010, 06:23 PM #23
It's true that I don't mind the app store as much as I mind iTunes but I need to manage my apps in iTunes now and that's annoying. If the iPhone had competition in its management software including access to the store, we'd have a chance at a better UI and a better user experience.
I'm not about to drop the iPhone because of iTunes but it was a negative part of my buying matrix when I was considering what phone to replace my BB. I'm not saying that the Android solution is superior. Maybe it's inferior and probably it is, but Apple's could be much better too.
- 10-30-2010, 04:35 PM #24
I used itunes with my brief stint with iphone...
True, u can have all ur apps you downloaded on another phone on ur latest phone
but google market pretty much does the same thing...without the contant need for itunes and having to sync the iphone to the mac/pc to delete this or that or blah blah blah
- 10-30-2010, 04:54 PM #25
Awww they give u cute names haha like iphone nanite
Anyway, my name is carmen....i am actually pretty dumb when it comes to all things apple.
I have been using droids on verizon since last november and before that i pretty much had lame *** phones before that(Storm, Omnia, Dare, alias 2, env touch, etc. etc.)
I was on verizon and i had heard of the iphone but wasn't on at & t
I heard that it couldn't mms when it came out and u had to always send pix via email...no interest
i saw it and the overall look never really appealed to me as well
It wasn't till this year that i switched to at & t in august for the xperia x10(hated it) and got a captivate that i became remotely interested in the iphone 4....
I tried an iphone 3g out that my brother had and it was decent and the apps were decent
but i noticed that while apple had a little more variety....android has google beat when it comes to the number of free apps or at least apps that are .99 cent or less
money is not a problem for me, by any means but u can't beat free...or nearly free
I rarely buy an app on android because all the ones i use and want are free
my short time with the 3g(and the iphone 4), i did have to spend anywhere from 1.99-9.99 for apps...
I honestly think the iphone is king for now but i don't see it dominating too much longer...
I love the fact that out the box, iphone is easy to learn and easy to use....
Android comes in a variety of flavors and while the essentials are all the same with any phones...the UI such as blur, sense, touchwiz, stock, rachel etc etc...have new tricks that are confusing
I love itunes on my computer because it is a decent looking UI but having to constantly use it for my iphone is annoying...
I love the fact I can just set my captivate up as a USB and click pictures, ringtones, etc. etc. and not have to sync it to another program and i am good to go...
Expandable memory is always good which is an area google(as well as others) have apple beat....and now that u can use the sd card for apps takes away the argument that the 16, 32 and 64GB could be use for apps as well...
Also, the iphone UI with IOS 4 seems a bit more appealing but it still looks just like everybody elses iphone...unless u jailbreak and i do like the fact that i can have my phone look my way and arrange things MY WAY
Overall, i love android but i don't like the...beta feel to it.
IOS is very beautiful and seamless(second only to WEBOS in my opinion)..
Which is why i am considering going back to the iphone 4 or expanding over to WP7
i believe i am the average consumer because while i want the bells and whistles, i want something decent that is not going to break the bank as well as something i don't have to jailbreak or root
to get it do something...other phones can already do....