If it really is an antenna issue then explain this...
Ok, so let me get something straight. According to the presentation by SJ and subsequent slides that have been seen, the GSM antenna runs from the bottom lhs, around the bottom left corner, across the bottom, all the way up the rhs, and across the top and stops just to the right of the noise cancelling mic where thereís another black band.
The WiFi antenna starts there and then goes around the top left corner, down the lhs, and meets the GSM antenna at the bottom left corner.
a) Why does holding the phone normally not cause the issue? The minute you touch both the lhs (WiFi) and rhs (GSM) (i.e. hold it!) it should in theory short the antennas but this doesnít happen.
b) Why doesnít touching the black band on the top near the noise cancelling mic exhibit the same behaviour as the bottom left black band. As far as I know this should be indentical as itís where the two antennas meet also.
So I call bull on the fact that shorting the antennas is the problem as it doesnít happen on other places on the phone where you should be able to.
Obviously there is some issue (not as big as people are making out) which is specific to that bottom corner, but I don't believe for one minute that it's actually a fault in the antenna design as it would exhibit the same behaviour when touching the phone elsewhere.
Last edited by marketsqhero; 07-14-2010 at 05:33 AM.
- 07-14-2010, 06:03 AM #2
That's what I don't understand either, but I'm far from an expert when it comes to these things. I'm still not sold on a hardware issue. But I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I just don't know at this point. It's really frustrating!
- 07-14-2010, 06:30 AM #3iMore Intermediate
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Actually, the band is split up into three different antennas. The GSM antenna starts in the lower left corner and moves around the bottom side of the phone where it terminates in a black band directly across from the infamous black band in the lower left corner. In the end, though, I get your point. From a logical layman's point of view, it should be able to be replicated at the other end of the antenna as well. I'm sure there is some complicated engineering explanation, but I don't know what it is.
No, I just had a quick look back at the keynote and at about 34 mins in you can see the slide that shows the two antennas. The right side (the one with the SIM card slot) and bottom of the phone is actually one piece for the UMTS and GSM antenna. And the left side piece is for Bluetooth, Wi-FI and GPS.
It seems the black bar on the rhs is just decorative to match up to the actual separator on the other side.
- 07-14-2010, 08:24 AM #5
I still think if you're in an area with crappy reception, you're going to have problems associated with holding the antenna in various ways. I have strong reception where I live and can almost never replicate this problem. The fact of the matter remains that Apple should have coated the antenna. Whether they're going to do something about it remains a mystery.
- 07-14-2010, 08:43 AM #6iMore Intermediate
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I could almost sware that I saw that it was split into three different antennas. Oh well, I can't watch the video while at work. Maybe the answer is the "dummy" band in the lower right corner? Maybe it acts as an insulator in some way that stops the bridging effect at the top of the phone. I don't know.
- 07-14-2010, 09:16 AM #7
So then, how come if the antenna design is flawed do you not get attenuation when touching the black band at the top as this should have the same effect as the one at the bottom as it's the "joint",
In fact touching the left side and right side together should in theory cause the same issue as you're touching both antennas.
Has anyone stripped one of these down yet? I wonder if it's more related to the placement of a component in that lower left corner rather than the actual bands on the outside as it makes no sense otherwise.
- 07-14-2010, 09:58 AM #9
- 07-14-2010, 10:16 AM #11
honestly, i think the whole thing is a crock of crap and PR (because even bad news is good news), and it will all be a non-issue once the patch comes out. after all, it's MAGICTASTICAL
either way, i had a case on my iPhone 4 from day one, and will continue to do so, making the issues non-existant for me.
- 07-14-2010, 10:24 AM #12
Ok, so we're in agreement then that it actually is nothing to do with the antenna (steel band), but more likely the placement of the GSM/UTMS radio?
In which case why do people "believe" a bumper or case is the answer as that doesn't affect where the radio is.
I think people see what they think they see, possibly the bumper is a placebo effect nothing more.
- 07-14-2010, 10:30 AM #14
The antenna is directly related to the radio. The radio processes the signal based upon the antenna's ability to work with the signal. You impede the antenna, the radio doesn't work or it's usefullness declines. You use a case or bumper to shield the antenna, radio works better since there is nothing impeding it.
- 07-14-2010, 11:45 AM #16
I took a metal key, had it touch the two bands together, each contact point was about a half an inch away from the black band, up and down.
After about 10 seconds, the bars went from 5 to 1, and my Wifi dropped and reverted to Edge.
It is not simply the 2mm near the black band
i was not touching the phone the whole time that the key was touching it. i had the iPhone standing on it's bottom (dock connector area), with the key leaning against it.
- 07-14-2010, 02:46 PM #17
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- 07-14-2010, 09:54 PM #21
Touch the band on the lhs and the band on the rhs and it won't have any effect. Touch the bands near the top where they join and it has no effect.
The only place it has an effect is in the bottom lh corner which makes me believe it's more likely to be something related to a component down there rather than the actual bands per se.
I'ts NOT going to be fixed, it's part of the design of the iPhone4, it will probably be modified slightly in the 4Gs/5 released in June next year.
Apple will not change their refresh schedule to fix something affecting less than 1% of users.
If you're not happy with it take it back for a full refund, that's Apples offer, take it or leave it, but stop whinging about it!
- 07-15-2010, 10:42 AM #23
Really, they've sold over 2 million phones.
1% of those would be 20,000 users. Have Apple had to swap out 20,000 phones? There's only 1,000ish complaints on Apples own website.
Show me figures that there's over 20,000 complaining and I'll believe it, but for now I see a few thousand complaints. It's a drop in the ocean to what they've sold and important bit are STILL selling!
- 07-15-2010, 10:52 AM #25
I am not going to stop making this an issue and other consumers will not either. Bring it back and shut the hell up just isn't going to cut it.
If you don't like the fact that some complain, then that is about you. Folks that want and spend their money on this phone absolutely have a right to expect it to work as promised. Remember Better Reception statement made by Jobs.
Some of you that haven't seen the issue are clearly in denial yourselves. I bet if I had your phone in my area, I could replicate the issue without question.