View Poll Results: Do you think MMS will be in 3.1?
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- 08-04-2009, 10:43 AM #26iPhone Beginner
- 97 Posts
well btown11 mms was in the 3.0 beta but as a request from att was pulled or gryed out of the phone and no the APN profiles wont give you mms, try it it wont work, tethering will work with the profile but att might charge you something extra for using it and it wont be cheap so is not worth it yet
- 08-04-2009, 01:35 PM #27iPhone Newbie
- 21 Posts
I really don't think AT&T will allow that kind of practice to continue, there is to much heat on them already.
- 08-04-2009, 02:59 PM #28iPhone Beginner
- 97 Posts
Yep AT&T and apple maybe working on a patch already
- 08-04-2009, 07:06 PM #29
- 08-04-2009, 07:14 PM #30
This thread is about hope.
Last edited by whmurray; 08-04-2009 at 08:54 PM.
- 08-04-2009, 08:07 PM #31
- 08-05-2009, 09:49 AM #32
- 08-05-2009, 10:02 AM #33
- 08-05-2009, 08:52 PM #34
- 08-05-2009, 08:56 PM #35
- 08-09-2009, 10:34 AM #36
This is a carrier issue. If your carrier is a "steaming pile of failure," the carrier has told Apple not to put this capability in the carrier profile (but it is still in the OS.) The carrier could change its mind at any time. There is no indication that the carrier even has the capacity to change its policy as early as 2009. Apple can update the profile at any time. They are not tied to an OS release in any way.
This all about AT&T, not 3.1 or Apple.
I think that we all want 3.1 on Apple's schedule, not that of the "steaming pile of failure." Please do not conflate MMS/AT&T.
Last edited by whmurray; 08-09-2009 at 10:42 AM.
- 08-09-2009, 12:47 PM #37
- 08-09-2009, 03:35 PM #38
Do you also assert that Apple can unilaterally make MMS happen, that they alone are responsible for it being available on all carriers except AT&T? It seems clear that one cannot rebut the New York Times without facts that are not already in evidence? Do you assert that MMS is somehow bound to 3.1, that we cannot have one without the other? Since that was the point of my post, perhaps you can address it while you are defending the "steaming pile."
- 08-09-2009, 10:52 PM #39TiPb Fourm Staff
- 1,695 Posts
How is it not AT&Ts fault?
Its not like Apple kept MMS a secret from the carriers.
How is it that every other carrier was prepared but not AT&T?
- 08-10-2009, 12:06 AM #40
Give me a seconds to quote another blog I posted at. Yes, it's primarily Apple's fault.
I'm actually getting tired of seeing everyone wanting to bash AT&T. The only reason AT&T isn't pointing fingers is because they are puppets and everyone including the CEO of wireless (supposedly) take an iPhone course each year stating nothing can be said outside of Apple officially saying it.
- 08-10-2009, 12:08 AM #41
- 08-10-2009, 12:10 AM #42
Bottom line: Apple's secrecy BS only allowed the tech group to know about it on announcement day. This is to stop leaks. If the techs started enabling it before the announcement, everyone would officially/unofficially know it was coming.
- 08-10-2009, 09:58 AM #43
It did not require "enabling" to have it, only capacity. It did not take action to allow it, rather it took action to block it.
How come all the other carriers were "enabled" and the "steaming pile of failure" was not? How come those using other phones on AT&T have access to broadband applications that are arbitrarily denied to iPhone users?
I for one am not buying and I doubt that you can sell this line to many others. As much as I would like almost any rationale for AT&T's behavior, this one simply does not fit the evidence.
Nice try but I think that your should try again. This time try to find an excuse for AT&T that does not blame others and that fits the evidence.
Last edited by whmurray; 08-10-2009 at 10:44 AM.
- 08-10-2009, 09:59 AM #44
- 08-10-2009, 10:43 AM #45
AT&T's reputation is in its own hands.
- 08-10-2009, 01:04 PM #46
I think I understand what Duvi is saying. He's saying that initially Apple told AT&T that MMS would never be on the iPhone so AT&T took steps account-wise, in the background, to make that happen. He's basically saying given the steps and procedures it took to do this, it can't be easily undone for millions of accounts.
What others are saying is carriers in other countries similarly had to face the same initial supporting of MMS for the iPhone as well, but they didn't have any delays. Does anyone know if they are facing the same "undoing of procedures" that AT&T put in place to block MMS on each iPhone account? Does anyone know this for certain? And also are any of the other carriers faced with enabling this feature for even half of the amount of users AT&T has?
Just curious... don't shoot the cat!
Last edited by Watcher; 08-10-2009 at 01:07 PM.
- 08-10-2009, 04:48 PM #47
whmurray, I'm assuming reading comprehension isn't your strongest point... so maybe I'll take baby steps for you.
I hope you're still with me... "Part 2" states that upper management (around the COO level of the wireless side & above, meaning up to CEO of AT&T as a whole) knew, but they aren't the ones who provision. The ones who did could not have been told prior to the announcement date or risk a leak.
I know this as I am a manager for our business group. We received an email about it only an hour after I knew from the keynote. We and the 99.5% of AT&T never know until it's officially announced.
We also, even me had to take an online course agreeing to secrecy no matter what we've found out prior to any announcement.
I could care less if you blame them for being a pile of whatever (very classy btw). You know only what you see on blogs and believe you know everything; nowadays that means you know everything :o. Just wanted to set it straight with MMS.
The other companies didn't do what AT&T did... first off they don't have that many subscribers. AT&T has the most iPhone subscribers of any carrier abroad. No other carrier within the US can have as many subscribers on iPhones. AT&T did as good a job as they can.
Why are we bringing SlingPlayer in to the convo? We are talking about MMS. Is that the only way you could get any type of leverage? Please enlighten me as I failed to see what the blocking of SP (as you said) has anything to do with 3.0. It also sounds like you're writing just to write. SlingPlayer is not blocked, it's only able to stream through wifi (without jailbreaking/hacking the phone). I'm assuming you don't own your own business and if you do, you're probably looking at filing a chapter 7.
You bought an iPhone (if you started from 2G, even worse) knowing that there wasn't any MMS and then when the announcement came saying later this summer, you get mad because other carriers have it and AT&T doesn't? Come on, now you sound like my little sister when we were younger... "Mom he has more than me, that's not fair." It doesn't sound bright if you know the shortcomings (according to you) of a device and then complain about it (for the wrong reasons and against the wrong company) not being available.
You sound like an Anti-AT&T person anyways and I don't expect you to even read this, comprehend what I said and then take a chill pill, so do me a favor.
Take a long walk on a short pier...
- 08-10-2009, 04:59 PM #48
The reason other carriers have it is because they didn't take the extra steps to remove the feature off the back-end like AT&T. Heck, if you unlock an iPhone for T-mobile USA, they even give you the steps on getting it to work. Why? Because they want subscribers. The other carriers abroad don't have as many subscribers and even then their plans/rates are so ridiculously high, not too many people can afford it.
AT&T knows when the switch it turned on for MMS, they will be a spike in data usage. So while getting the provisioning part ready, they're beefing up the network as well. It's a known fact, iPhone users are power users, more so the BlackBerry devices. My work and person BlackBerry combined can't even compare to my iPhone usage. Receiving voicemail uses data and so do many of the applications. So it may seem like AT&T is slacking, but the truth is, none of the carriers in the U.S. could handle the iPhone better than AT&T did (by themselves).
- 08-10-2009, 06:30 PM #49
Now that was spoken from a true At&t employee. While At&t big wigs are sitting on their jets traveling the world their employee's are covering the MMS mess up lol. I for one don't care what the reason is I would just love to see MMS enabled on my iPhone. We all know however long it takes At&t to enable it there still will be problems. And what will happen next, us iPhone user's will be back in the forums complaining about it! Take your time At&t and worry about getting it right! I am in no rush, I just don't want it to fail!
- 08-10-2009, 07:40 PM #50
It's funny, people talk about MMS putting a strain on the network, even though it's nothing compared to surfing the web, and I keep hearing about how everyone just e-mails pics, as if e-mail uses no data.
I wouldn't be surprised if by New Years we still don't have MMS.