Is APPLE Reneging on Cut and Paste?
I've noticed that any mention of cut and paste, even those quoting iPhone marketing head Greg Joswiak, are systematically being deleted from Apple Forums lately. This started just prior to the release of 2.2.
Censoring posters is one thing, but censoring their own head of marketing seem a bit desperate.
Instead we get fairly useless "features" and pointless redesigns of various applications with no new functionality other than that provided largely by third parties (street view). Have we seen a de-facto core feature freeze on the iPhone?
- 12-02-2008, 04:38 PM #2
The new features in map app are great and a hell of a lot more useful than copy / paste. I think the walking and public trans are great because I use my GPS more when I travel anyway and most of the time don't rent a car. And yes, google provides the data / API, but apple creates the app to connect to that data.
- 12-02-2008, 06:19 PM #4
- 12-02-2008, 07:02 PM #5
You know what's funny? After 2 weeks without my iPhone, and with cut and paste devices like the Android G1, Treo Pro, and HTC FUZE...
I miss the iPhone's way of doing it.
iPhone: On a web page, want to send the URL, hit the + button, tap Email, choose address, send, back on page. Boom.
Other phones: Complex procedure involving cut and paste, switching apps, styluses!!!! and other stuff so annoying I just stopped doing it.
Sure, I'd like cut and paste on the iPhone. Why not? But I'd expect it to be iPhone drop-dead simple to use. And I expect Apple expects me to expect that, and until they can "do it right" they'd rather not do it at all.
Everything on the iPhone is system-wide (stealing from Dieter from last night's Round Robin podcast! Go listen to him!), and it has to work for everything and everywhere, and there's no second chance if they mess it up. It's CTRL-C/V/P or Mouse moves all over again. New platform, new paradigm.
They have to nail it. (and BlackBerry Storm and Android haven't)
- 12-02-2008, 09:41 PM #6
apple really dont make anything, they repackage stuff under their name.
- 12-02-2008, 11:34 PM #7
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- 12-11-2008, 03:43 AM #11
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- 12-11-2008, 03:48 AM #12
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- 12-28-2008, 02:20 AM #16
I thought I wanted landscape keyboard, but I would much rather have cut-and-paste. The more I get used to using the iPhone keyboard, the more I realize that getting my fingers adjusted to one layout would make switching back-and-forth awkward. Plus, using a portrait-size keyboard is actually more efficient (less finger travel).
- 12-28-2008, 09:16 AM #17
- 01-05-2009, 10:14 PM #18
@mcdan333 touche' =) But for someone like myself, who is used to Treo/Blackberry/portrait-style physical keyboards, I've become decently comfortable with the touchscreen as is. If someone wants a landscape keyboard, more power to them, but my personal opinion is that it would make it harder to train your muscle memory to use the touchscreen accurately if you constantly switch back and forth between portrait and landscape (because the travel between "keys" would not be the same in both modes). If you're the type of user who doesn't mind this, then more power to you.
- 01-06-2009, 07:33 AM #19
You are a serial enabler 3Gmacattack.
I'm not sure that regurgitating Apple excuses is useful here. They've had two years.
They spend untold hours trying to out fox the Dev Team, (which does not improve their bottom line in any way), and they push niche products to the iPhone (iphoto, ilife, iKeynote) and stonewall the users on things the phone can actually do, just because Steve Says No(tm).
No mms, no movie camera, horribly crippled Bluetooth, and yes, cut/paste.
(Cut/paste is not even on my top 5 list of wants for this phone, its just been promised for longer than is reasonable).
My wish would be for them to stop hoisting their balls like street thugs and leave the Dev Team alone with their games. (Apple still sells the phones, but DevTeam hacks frees Apple from the warranty. How sweet is that for the bottom line? Pocket the cash, and shed the liability!).
Then get on with Push for Apps. That ALONE removes the need for MMS, SMS, and enables true KILLER apps for this phone that will bury Blackberry forever. It could be done with nothing more complex than port knocking. No patents to license, no royalties to pay.
But respectfully, I suggest you not parrot Apple excuses. Its disingenuous and not helpful.
- 01-07-2009, 02:17 PM #21
Hear, hear, Icebike! =)
An "elegant" way to cut-and-paste? Please... just let me click and drag my finger on the freakin' screen. Add click-hold to pull up a contextual menu and you're done. Sure, this is stealing from WinMo and is built for stylus use, but I've been doing this with my bare finger for 2 1/2 years on a WM Treo, and something similar on Palm OS Treo's for 3 years before that (I think I had to use the actual menu buttons? ...its been too long to remember). The stupid click-hold magnifying glass isn't elegant, but I can learn to live with it. Forget elegant... give me functional.
Add to this the 4-5 month late push notifications and all of "my" wishlist items for the iPhone would be satisfied. (Well, with the exception of a CDMA version for Sprint, haha, and actual file-system/directory-structure access... but I don't think either of those will EVER happen.)
The Palm Pre has cut and paste and the OS in that device is only release 1.0.
Seriously, the Palm will be Verizon's iPhone, but Palm has a GSM version as well. Its a compelling device, with no dictator standing in the road to progress.
The G2 is also coming.
We will look back fondly on the iPhone as the first "Pentium" of handsets after a long run of 8088s ad 286s. But unless the rumored Quad Processor iPhone arrives soon, I fear others will eat apple's lunch.
First and foremost, it has to be a phone. And the phone has to work. And so far, that has been the iPhone's biggest failing.
- 01-10-2009, 03:28 AM #23
I am incredibly excited for the "Pre". But I'm also excited to think how much harder Apple will have to work now that there is more compelling competition out there. And of course, this will also (hopefully) spur innovation in the Android, WinMo, and BBOS camps...
lol, and not to be a know-it-all, but: the Pre is launching exclusively on Sprint, so won't be Verizon's iPhone. =P Palm has always been close with Sprint, and the GSM version is launching first in Europe -- so Sprint should have at least a 3 month exclusivity (I'm guessing 6 month, though).
- 01-31-2009, 09:16 PM #24
Let's face it. The reason that Apple, nor anyone else, has done cut-and-paste for the iPhone is that it is a really hard problem. You will not see it on 2.n and maybe never.
Apple has not reneged because it has been scrupulously careful not to promise.
- 01-31-2009, 09:18 PM #25