- 01-20-2008, 02:54 PM #76
- 01-20-2008, 02:54 PM #77
And GAAP... it may not be law but it is a rule and this rule is enforced by the government. Plain and simple.
- 01-20-2008, 03:02 PM #78
Anytime you have a charge, you can get very creative on what expenses go against it. I highly doubt the licensing for any feature is driving the charge. The revenue for an iPhone and Touch (hardware) are realized when the device is sold. The revenue from the carrier fees is realized in each additional month, separate from the hardware.
The reason for charging the $20 is simple:
- They can do it, and fanboys will gladly pay the $20
- The get extra cash they can use for other things
- The can write off additional expense (internal accounting trick/benefit)
The bottom line is that Apple loves sticking it to earlier adopters. They've been doing this since the original Mac days. It's one thing they are very consistent about.
- 01-20-2008, 03:04 PM #79
- 01-20-2008, 03:09 PM #80
GAAP is not enforced by the government, because they are not gov't rules - it is the guide for reporting. The SEC enforces the gov't rules; GAAP is seen as one of the authoritative source in these matters. But I digresss - it still has ZERO to do with squeezing an extra $20 out of people.
"Other companies don't add features to the extent Apple does"....uh, sure.
- 01-20-2008, 03:10 PM #81
- 01-20-2008, 03:20 PM #82
Let's see...who does updates in the consumer space and does not charge...
Microsoft, Dell, Lenovo, HP, Netgear, Linksys (Cisco), D-Link, Sprint, Verizon, Palm, Archos, Creative, NVidia, ATI, Intel, AMD...I'm sure we could go on all day.
If you truly want to treat this as software, most vendors give you free updates for a year.
So the expectation is not unfounded. It's just odd when a company that is supposedly "customer focused" goes against the grain. People notice it. They think, "you just got my $300, 400, 500 bucks, and not you want to ding me again?"
Again, as I said, early adopter get no love from Apple.
- 01-20-2008, 03:27 PM #83
I can see why you use a mad emoticon...I'd be mad too if I had such a limited view of technoloy.
Apple invented everything - except the Internet, which was, of course, Al Gore.
You sure you want to keep putting your foot in your mouth?
- 01-20-2008, 06:51 PM #84
http://forums.imore.com/e?link=http%...token=FSg6ZcfP for Microsoft and then also Dell, Linksys, D-Link and Netgear.
NOT one of the 5 companies that I checked had any software upgrades that brought new features. And I couldn't find one instance of a wireless router company upgrading firmware to provide faster connections or adding substantial new features to their gear like Apple has done.
Every time a company - companies that I do business with - updates their applications with substantial new features, I have to pay for it. Happens with Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe/Macromedia Contribute, Adobe/Macromedia Flash, Adobe/Macromedia, Adobe ImageReady, Adobe/Macromedia Fireworks, Adobe/Macromedia Dreamweaver, Adobe InDesign, Adobe GoLive, Final Cut Studio, Strata Studio Pro, Adobe After Effects, Roxio Toast, CSSEdit, FileMaker Pro, iWork (only purchased once but still holds), iLife, Little Snitch, Poser, LightWave 3D, Strata 3D CX, RapidWeaver, Transmit, TextMate, SubEthaEdit, TextSoap, SOHO Notes, Data Rescue, DiskWarrior, and no less than 20 other plug-ins for apps ranging from Photoshop to Mail - I have had to pay every single time they release new features. What makes the companies that I buy from different than the companies you buy from?
Anyway, I ask you to post an example of a vendor that gives you free updates for a year (NOT A VALUE ADDED VENDOR WHICH IS THE SAME THING AS WHAT APPLE IS DOING WITH THE IPHONE AND APPLE TV).
- 01-20-2008, 07:13 PM #85
- 01-20-2008, 08:45 PM #86
- 01-20-2008, 09:13 PM #87
Take the lips off the crack pipe...you obviously have not done even one bit of real research.
There are thousands of glaring examples - for instance Microsoft Desktop Search...a completely new function, free. Ok, you can eat that crow pie now.
(I could go on about Netgear as well, but why don't you just spend some time on those release notes and see for yourself.)
Nice try, but I said if _you_ want to take a software perspective. I remember your argument, and you were wrong then, and are wrong now. Apple is a hardware company- that is where the majority of revenue comes from. They are just a cool, consumer version of Sun.
As for examples, there are thousands...I already gave you a MS one; how about the Squeezebox adding Pandora? Opps...yea, you missed that too.
You really, really should lay off the Kool Aid.
- 01-20-2008, 09:15 PM #88
- 01-20-2008, 09:16 PM #89
- 01-21-2008, 10:32 AM #91
This is too good!
Sarbanes-Oxley actually started mandating that this sort of functionality be available to consumers. Microsoft had to release Microsoft Desktop Search... and we all know the release was bogus in that it only found the same limited results (no e-mail or contact database searching, extremely slow... etc.) as what was already there from the built in search.
Not even sure why you would care one way or the other. Why does this fact offend you so much?
- 01-21-2008, 10:38 AM #92
- 01-21-2008, 10:39 AM #93
- 01-21-2008, 11:40 AM #94
Like I said, I've never used it (I just see that every time I boot I get the message on the screen that tells me to hold a key to boot off the network).
Since it has built-in 802.11g wireless, I assume it can use it, but I won't swear to it.
Of course, every unix machine i've ever owned has booted off the network (not wirelessly, though).
By the way, did you just say that SOX made microsoft add desktop search? Did I misread that?
- 01-21-2008, 04:37 PM #95
- 01-21-2008, 04:59 PM #96
So SOX is the reason MS released Desktop Search? I guess you aren't just on crack, but meth and special-k too. Again, SOX has nothing to do with it.
Have you every used Desktop Search? Bogus? Hardly. I think you need to look at:
It does emails, contacts, etc....all the things you say it doesn't. You don't even know what you are talking about, yet you spout out untrue statements with such authority.
As for Apple being a hardware company, it's you who are offended, not I. I just observe a fact. Apple makes most of it's money from hardware. Sure, they make software to support their hardware (and no one elses). They broker content, which is like a media company. They get a cut of telco revenues. But at the end of the day the vast majority of $$$ come from one place - gadgets in peoples hands. So it's a hardware company.
As for the Board of Directors, again, you open your mouth without looking at facts:
Bill Campbell - Intuit Corp. - Software
Millard Drexler - J. Crew - Retail
Albert Gore Jr. - Govt
Andrea Jung - Avon Products - Fashion Retail
Arthur D. Levinson, Ph. D. -Genentech - Biotech
Dr. Eric Schmidt - Google - Software (but really Media/Advertising); Google sells very little software and hardware relative to their Ad stuff.
Jerry York - Financial Services/Capital Markets
Actually, this is a pretty good board; good representative good, except for Schmidt, who really is the example of "better to be lucky than good". But again, these are not all "software" folks.
As for Pandora, who cares if it's separate company or if it costs $$...the fact is a product feature was added at no cost.
Had enough yet?
- 01-21-2008, 04:59 PM #97
That's okay, I will do it for you:
So basically Apple has made software (installed in both locations), and code extension to support this.
Good for them.
So it's not Wake-On-LAN, but just redirected boot (albeit wirelessly, which may be useful; I think sharing the optical drive is the main use).
I guess we should clarify netboot, wake-on-lan, and all that fun stuff so it's clear.
- 01-21-2008, 05:28 PM #98
The difference is that Apple has made something where, if you install software on both the host and the MBA, you can do this "wirelessly" from the MBA. It's still not wake-on-lan, unless they have a hook into the suspend mode and keep the wi-fi card active (which they may have done; haven't seen enough details on the spec. Details are sketchy, but I am sure they will follow once it's out there more.
No, you did not misread it - the gov't, via SOX made MS create and release WDS, according to Archie.
- 01-21-2008, 05:45 PM #99
- 01-21-2008, 09:51 PM #100