- 09-08-2007, 04:58 PM #51
Apple has a product marketing plan that contains very specific sales goals for the iPhone. Clearly the current pace of sales is falling short of those goals. Apple drops the price of the iPhone in order to "pick up the pace" on sales. OK, are you with me so far? Good - here's the easy part:
Apple believes one factor in the stagnant sales is the price of the device - it's too high for the market, so it has been lowered.
Do people actually have to hate other devices to convince themselves that their device is decent?
- 09-08-2007, 06:42 PM #52
they hang out here as well because they must give validation to whatever it is that they own. they continue to label, spin, RE-state the obvious/point already made, and misdirect. it's rather amusing, really, here it is in play:
It wasn't about Jobs forcing someone to buy something (rediculous, although so of the Mac faithful do act like addicts)
Supply and demand is at work; supply is exceeding demand, so they chop the price to spur demand.
My comment was about Jobs's comments about his customers. While I have no love for Palm execs, I don't see why you insist on comparing them in this specific incident, as Palm is not involved.
As for buing products based on who runs the company, that is rediculous as well. Not sure why you brought it up.
why i find it easier to just say "sure, whatever you say"....afterall, they are always right and the rest of us are all so very wrong.
- 09-08-2007, 06:53 PM #53
Instead, it looks like Apple simply set the price point higher than the market would support - only a subset of their target market proved willing to fork over Apple's original asking price. I arbitrarily generalized by calling this market subset the fanboys for the fun of it. That you consistently take exception to this term speaks volumes about you.
- 09-08-2007, 07:11 PM #54
Instead, it looks like Apple simply set the price point higher than the market would support - only a subset of their target market proved willing to fork over Apple's original asking price.
I arbitrarily generalized by calling this market subset the fanboys for the fun of it. That you consistently take exception to this term speaks volumes about you.
- 09-08-2007, 07:13 PM #55
I'm pretty sure Apple wouldn't drop the price 1 penny if they were on their projections
only a subset of their target market proved willing to fork over Apple's original asking price.
That you consistently take exception to this term speaks volumes about you.
- 09-08-2007, 10:13 PM #56
Instead of addressing my points, you are the one with the digeression and redirection.
You and Antelope are the best Apologists out there. Heaven forbid there be any criticism again Apple or Jobs.
Kupe is spot on with his comments, but the spin Ant puts on it is amazing.
"Apple planned to drop the price all along". GMAFB. You don't plan lower prices - you see what the market does and decide from there. In this case Apple is behind on their sales, and their research said $399 was the magic number.
Business 101 folks...
I know that there is a lot of Palm hatred here (and I for one have criticized them more than most), but Palm isn't selling the iPhone - Apple is. That is the topic. Sorry you have a tough time accepting it.
The ringtone raping is just another example of Apple's anti-customer attitude...hence the hacks.
It's all about thr $$$ and Apple will squeeze ya dry. But if you are happy, then it's all good.
- 09-08-2007, 10:26 PM #57
and now it's all about the "ringtone raping"
no one thinks much about your points, that's why they don't get addressed.
and sure enough, more labeling..."we're the best apologists out there."
and then your tired wanton attempts......"business 101 folks"
the lengths to which you go.....they're quite comical...like the Treo which you love. what a pile.
- 09-08-2007, 10:32 PM #58
I really don't think apple wants to be charging for ringtones. It seems far more likely it's being foisted on them by the RIAA as a condition of being permitted to sell stuff on itunes. Just because you and I think that a ring tone is fair use for a song we already own, doesn't mean the studios agree. (in fact, it may or may not be. One of the factors the courts look at is whether there is a market for the copy. If everyone would kindly just stop paying for it, we could probably all get it for free. Game theory at work?)
I am curious as to whether they will reach a deal to allow some songs to be used as ringtones for "free." Maybe when you fork over the extra dough for the drm-free stuff.
- 09-09-2007, 02:12 AM #59
- 09-09-2007, 04:30 AM #60
- 09-09-2007, 04:57 AM #61
Product Life Cycle and while there's no formula for how to apply it (well there is, but THAT formula doesn't have any real numbers in it), there are tried and true methods for managing product life cycle - methods Apple has re-proven time and again. It's what drives their meteoric stock price. They know how to introduce a product, they know how to keep that product viable for a good amount of time, and they generally know how to replace the product with a next-generation new product. They don't generally introduce a wholly new product with a planned 33% price cut in the first quarter of sales. That's too volatile for us stockholders.
- 09-09-2007, 10:56 AM #62
People understand my points fine. Some even provide counterarguments. You just ignore because you can't respond. As you say, whatever.
As for my "pile" of a Treo, it's interesting you can separate the product from the company. I have tons of Apple stuff, and they make so great products...some the actaully have cut and paste.
That doesn't mean I blindly appologize for their miscues across the board.
Introducing a product, then 60 days later, whacking it 33% is just not an idea that is well received. Imagine if you bought that new BMW for 66K, and then it was 44K two months later. People just have a gut reaction to that.
Anyway, let's blame everything on Palm, it solves everything. (seems to work with Bush).
As for the ringtones, Apple is not being forced to charged - they want to. And to be able to offer "any part of the song", you have to buy the whole song - twice.
The market will move to buy content once, use (personally) how you want. This is what people will do, regardless of controls put out there, because it goes to the core feeling of "fair". People have no problem paying for content - thet just don't like paying for it over and over and over and over again.
- 09-09-2007, 11:39 AM #63
- 09-09-2007, 09:17 PM #64
They don't generally introduce a wholly new product with a planned 33% price cut in the first quarter of sales. That's too volatile for us stockholders.
An interesting viewpoint. I'm trying to decide which market would be most insulted by that kind of marketing plan, the subsidizers or the charity cases?
Intentionally catering to two distinct markets inside of one quarter with a major price chop looks like a mistake and stock prices will likely reflect that.
- 09-09-2007, 10:08 PM #65
- 09-09-2007, 10:41 PM #66
SAND, Oalveraz, SAND.
My apologies for the typos and spelling mistakes...sucky Treo doesn't have spellcheck, just like most (all?) mobile broswers. (Please note that "word suggest" is not a spellchecker.
You seem to understand them just fine.
Apple Desktops have cut and paste. Too bad the iPhone doesn't.
The Treo has influences every smartphone made in the past 5 years. Pile, yea, whatever.
- 09-10-2007, 03:42 AM #67
- 09-10-2007, 07:01 AM #68
putting other devices down to make you happier with yours is lame. My 650 was a great phone, it was a love hate relationship, but there was far more love in there. I still keep mine around to run my TomTom software, but havent once been tempted to put my SIM back in it. For me, and many many others, the iPhone is a far better and more capable phone. What it does it does better than any other phone out there IMHO. It has its shortcomings, but these are issues that will most likely be fixed. The ability to add 3rd party apps is something i expect to see. Copy/paste would be nice, but i havent missed it yet.
- 09-10-2007, 08:14 AM #69
Looks like Apple must not have been far off their 1,000,000th iPhone sale before the price drop because they hit it on Friday.
- 09-10-2007, 09:09 AM #70
I needed some data off my treo 650 last night (it's been sitting in my nightstand drawer for about a month and a half). I plugged it in, because the battery was dead. (Syncing had long since become a crapshoot, so I couldn't get the info off my PC).
Anyway, last night I left the treo on my nightstand, and go to sleep. Just as my eyes close, I sense a bright light. I look over, and the treo was spontaneously rebooting itself.
Boy, I don't miss my treo.
That 1,000,000 iphone news is very confusing. Unless there was a mad rush after the discount news, it seems they were well on track to hit their sales goals without the discount (at least for the current quarter). And they normally don't announce a discount due to new products until the new products are out. Well, Apple is never boring, at least.
Update: just noticed a report on gizmodo that apple took the "add a new calendar entry" feature out of the ipod touch. That would be somewhat comical. (And the "add a new contact" feature is apparently still there. If they are trying to make the iphone look better, why not get rid of both?)
- 09-10-2007, 09:32 AM #71
- 09-24-2007, 03:36 PM #72
Looks like "The Woz" also disgrees with his former partner's price cut/refund approach according to this article. I'm believing more and more it was a poorly-planned, knee-jerk overreaction to stagnated sales. Wonder if the sales numbers were jump-started by that fanboy-insulting price drop?