- 07-03-2007, 10:51 PM #126
1) impossible to prove
2) completely false
I also started out on PCs with DOS. I've been through every version of Windows since 3.1. I've used several flavors of Linux and have 2 Linux machines at home now. I've tried Macs throughout that whole time. Back in the black and white days, through the PowerPC days, and now in the OSX days. I gave it an honest shot (over and over, as several of my friends are Mac users), and decided it wasn't for me. I'm not the only one, either. I know plenty of others in the same boat. I even have some friends who were Mac users before they knew how easy and inexpensive it is to build your own PC, and they made the switch. So quit spouting the Mac propaganda that Apple spreads in its marketing campaigns, because it just makes you sound like a parrot.
- 07-03-2007, 10:57 PM #127
I payed a fraction of the price of an iPod for it and got a device that had twice the capability. A bunch of my coworkers have iPods and when they saw it they all said "woah! I had no idea something like that existed! I wish my iPod could do that..."
- 07-03-2007, 11:48 PM #128
no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone. so what is the point you're trying to convey? if you don't like one or want one in its current state, great, but i don't think many care.
I'm personally not here to poke fun at anyone and would rather not argue. I just want an intelligent conversation about what the iPhone *could* be. Just because you like it as-is currently doesn't mean you have to defend it's faults, and just because you won't buy it because of the faults doesn't mean you can't admire what works and look forward to it's evolution (or how it may force others to evolve).
Unrelated to premium luxury phones , I think the type of people who buy Gucci crap for $1000 when you can get the same damn functional thing for $5 are vain MORONS. Plain and simple. They may have enough intelligence to earn their money but none to spend it wisely.
I don't think the iPhone is as drastic of a value mis-judgment as that by a long shot. And hopefully Apple rectifies many of the shortcoming in software updates (as opposed to Palm's 'just buy a 'new' device' way of doing business).
- 07-04-2007, 12:28 AM #131
- 07-04-2007, 01:03 AM #132
Can you tell from teh Apple marketing ads with PC and Mac guy that Apple is saying t ppl Windows sucks and they should buy macs instead? Or are you denying it all simply because you like Apple?
The marketing of the iPhone has nothing to do with what it actually IS, but it ahs everything to do with what Steve Jobs % co want it to be to their target audience. Jobs compared the iPhone to phones with QWERTY keyboards, had his company do a spec sheet comparing it to N95 and others in the smartphone category (no Razrs or SE walkmans) and they went out of their way to advertise business-friendly features like PUSH IMAP, and that it did support Exchange with a server setting (check your info).
- 07-04-2007, 01:09 AM #133
How much do you guys use your SMS? I don't use mine much because I may be causing the person I'm sending to to spend $0.15 without wanting my message. You never know what plan people have. I remember before Cingular realized the value of SMS, they used to give it away for free and my wife and I used it extensively. It really sucks that they charge per message. The phone companies really suck donkey balls. Bastards.
- 07-04-2007, 01:26 AM #135
- 07-04-2007, 03:52 AM #136
Just needed to clear that up.
- 07-04-2007, 07:35 AM #137
Sorry if some one has made fun of or insultated yo for...
I have stated many times the iPHONE has several faults and short comings. Most phones do. Palm users have many complaints as do WM users but I have yet to see the venom and mockery aimed at people in those forums for their choice of phone use.
Many people here have a lot of constructive things to add to a discussion on what Apple should do to make the iPHONE more useful for their needs. Many people still are pushing the iMORON argument I guess in hope of shaming people to return the phone or somehow convince themselves and others that they have a superior phone, Why that is important I couldn't tell you.
Many iPHONE users are what people call FanBoys/FanGirls.I myself like the term Mac-Evangelist! I bought it because it was an Apple product and because I feel it is a step in the direction I would like my cell phone to go. Easy to use and beautiful GUI with email, calendar and web browsing. All of which need tweaking to be better.
Do other less expensive phones have some of the same features email, calendar, web browser-yes...
Do they do them in the same simple revolutionary manner iPHONE does-no...
I look forward to useful critiques on the iPHONE and less in your face you iMORON postings.
Mac-Evangelist for life and proud of it!!
- 07-04-2007, 07:54 AM #138
Sure, I have a custom built PC also. Sure, it was cheaper. Sure, I've had to have 3 techs look at it when there were various system errors. I don't have the leisure time to get an A+ certificate to keep a PC running dependably. Thus, I pay more and get a computer that works and works well.
I'll be sure to qualify my statements with my personal experience from now on. Thanks for the insight.
- 07-04-2007, 08:00 AM #139
- 07-04-2007, 08:29 AM #140
Marketing is just that
The last statement is a little slanted but we have all heard of th law suites and I wonder what would happen if Dell wanted to start selling Linux boxes on par with Windows? My guess is Mr. gates and a few friends would pay a visit to their stores and apply a little pressure <sound effect of a knee cap being smashed>.
I love the Mac/PC guy commercials step into the light Bruckwine and come to love Apple. Or Mr. Jobs and Al Gore will come to your house and PAY YOU a little visit!
- 07-04-2007, 08:34 AM #141
- 07-04-2007, 10:19 AM #142Originally Posted by llarson
Mac-Evangelist for life and proud of it!!
It's great that you can stream your music to your Treo. I, personally, am sick of having to treat a phone as if I were a beta-tester. I WASTED so much time and money on third party apps trying to get my Treo 650 working properly. I guess I am willing to pay more for a phone to do a few things very well as opposed to a cheaper phone that has issues. Sure, the iPhone has things it can improve on and most likely will. As a consumer, that is my choice and I've made it. So, let's just drop the "iMoron" crap and converse like civilized adults.
- 07-04-2007, 11:02 AM #143
The iPhone fails its primary objective right out of the box.
No A2DP bluetooth profile.
Total red flag, stop the presses, get that junk outa here.
It doesn't mean a thing if the primary usage of the device is not even available.
All of the other shortcomings are just more nails in an already sealed cement coffin.
- 07-04-2007, 11:15 AM #144
- 07-04-2007, 11:24 AM #145
- 07-04-2007, 11:31 AM #146
I understand his point. It's an ipod-phone combo. And ipods are great at what they do and they don't support bluetooth (and hence no a2dp). And no one says "gee, ipods suck - they fail their primary objective because they don't support a2dp."
The primary objective of the iphone is to be a media-centric communicator, not to stream music via blue tooth to a car. That would be a fine feature, but to say it's the "primary objective" is disingenuous.
This is a feature that does speak to the primary uses of the iPhone. A dual use BT headset is a 'killer app' kind of device for a music player and phone. I have to believe the hardware is capable and maybe they will release an update for this. People who defend the lack will miss it when everyone else has it, I'm sure. (Why would you defend it not having this feature? Just because last generation's iPods didn't have it? WTF kind of reasoning is that?)
It's just the future and should be on the first iPhone, which is supposed to be 5 years ahead, right?
- 07-04-2007, 12:58 PM #148
Man, you guys really just want to hate on this phone.
1) yeah, i'm sure it will be a software update in the future
2) the number of existing (as opposed to newly-on-sale) cars that support this feature is comparatively small. Heck, it's only been the last few years when cars have started to be sold with aux jacks as a regular feature.
3) many millions of people are perfectly happy with their ipods and other mp3 players which do not support this feature
4) i wasn't defending the lack of the feature - i was only saying that anyone who says the phone "fails at its primary objective" because of lack of this feature is full of it. The iphone is a perfectly fine audio player, and "audio player" is not even the "primary objective" of this phone.
- 07-04-2007, 01:23 PM #150
Read my postings. I've criticized it plenty. No 3G sucks. No third party applications suck. Many useful features are missing. Many other things don't quite work as one would hope. I just am sick of rhetorical nonsense like "it doesn't have feature X therefore anyone who buys one is an uneducated person who only cares about fashion" or "it doesn't have feature X (which 1% of the population gives a heck about) therefore it sucks."
Also, this is an iphone website (phonedifferent), but at least half the people commenting have no iphone, have no interest in buying an iphone, never will buy an iphone, and have nothing better to do than post negatively about iphones.