- 07-30-2007, 09:22 PM #2026
"technology can always be improved upon"
---yes sir, no doubt. unlike the iPhone of course as it lives in some sort of static environment impervious to change. right?
"a 320x320 WM Treo should be very nice"
---yes sir, no doubt....a big improvement over the 240x240 WM screen resolution currently employed. but if it's yet another brick......
- 07-30-2007, 09:26 PM #2027
My original criticism of the iPhone has always been consistent and I don't think what you are implying is true for what I've said are my issues:
- no 3rd party apps
- no 3g
- no Sprint
I've always maintained had it had those features I would at least try it out. But AT&T is a rip off compared to my current plan and I won't revert to 2g after having 3g for nearly 2 years already (factor in I'm already very happy with the 700wx and what it does).
Everything else that I've said (like no copy/paste) are not deal-breakers but merely pet-peeves which I could apply to
Other than that the resolution issue is subjective: some will not like it, others don't mind it. Of course it can't compare the to the iPhone in resolution or size, but for what it is, it quite usable.
- 07-30-2007, 09:29 PM #2028
- 07-30-2007, 11:41 PM #2029
- being able to read and navigate pdfs and word documents as well as or better than I can on my work desktop machine
But you are not able to store these documents locally, edit them, store and forward them or any of the useful features available in more capable devices.
- being able to count on my phone not crashing or locking up at inconvenient times (or, as with my treo 650, near constantly)
Maybe using a device with no memory protection or proper multi-tasking as your benchmark is the real problem.
- being able to browse nearly every website I need to browse and seeing it rendered in a way that is actually useful rather than painful (especially since more and more websites now rely on ajax)
And you give up simple things like being able to cut and paste from those web pages, or being able to up or download content.
- being able to retrieve imap email from my own mailserver
This is scraping the bottom of the barrel on features, as its so far from unique its not even relevant.
- being able to write my own working applications for my device
Sorry, you could do a lot more with a device that allows native development.
- being able to carry on multiple SMS conversations simultaneously
Again, not unique, and most other devices allow IM too.
- being able to access google talk on occasion
And other devices allow google talk AND skype.
- being able to take occasional snapshots that actually look reasonable
Again, as this is not a unique or even exclusive feature, and the Iphone camera is severely under-featured, I fail to see how this even was part of your decision making.
- being able to sync with all my outlook contact and calendar data
Other devices do it better.
The Iphone does most things on your list poorer than competing devices, therefore your needs must be pretty limited if you are happy with its performance.
- 07-31-2007, 04:52 AM #2033
Honestly, I still think it's the appearance, sleekness and coolness, and not completely the performance of the iPhone, that many are in love with. If the iPhone weren't so hot looking, many would have returned it already. JMO, but I do suspect that looking at some(SOME, not all) posts. When you start making excuses for a phone lacking something, it means you really like the phone for reasons other than performance.
- 07-31-2007, 06:44 AM #2034
- 07-31-2007, 07:04 AM #2036
- 07-31-2007, 07:07 AM #2037
for crying out loud it was you who decided to respond to one of my quotes and comment on it. do you not even remember what you say anymore? and what do you resort to? more spin and redirection.
Surur, you're starting to show....and people are noticing. :o
If you love your iPhone just because you love your iPhone, why come here and engage any of us with your posts? Its really not necessary, you know. I'm sure your time is better spend elsewhere.
- 07-31-2007, 07:28 AM #2039
- 07-31-2007, 07:50 AM #2040
I think you need to go to dictionary.com and look up the word "Hypocrite". Make sure to use the mobile site though if you are using your Windows Mobile device.
As an iPhone user, I never go to mobile sites, and yes there is a big difference. If not, Surur, why don't you just use rss feeds, it contains the same information.
Mobileman, there is a rather big difference. WM never promised to give users the "Real Internet". iPhone is being held to higher standards. Get it?
And RSS feeds - of course thats the best way to get info fast. Its what I use all the time. I only go to the full site if a) the story is of interest and b) they do not include it in full.
Do you actually see a full story in a RSS feed and then hop on over to the site for the formatting? That would fit in perfectly in your style-over-substance world.
- 07-31-2007, 08:14 AM #2042
No need for me, I just go to the real site. I guess the only thing I'm missing is flash and apparently animated .gifs. Couldnt be missing them to much though because I can never tell the difference.
Microsoft is very smart not to advertise WM as having the true internet. Amazing really because its been around for years and really hasn't improved that much.
- 07-31-2007, 08:17 AM #2043
- 07-31-2007, 08:30 AM #2044
Once again Surur comes back with a response that the features I value are invalid. Because iphone doesn't have OTHER features, that he values (I say I like the way it views pdfs. he says that since it doesn't SAVE pdfs, it's not a good feature ), I have low functional requirements.
Anyone see the pattern? It's a fundamental disrespect for anyone who harbors differing opinions. He is incapable of discussing anything neutrally, of acknowledging actual benefits of the device he has decided to lambast, or of acknowledging that people who use their phones differently than he does are just as intelligent, demanding, and discerning as he is.
The funny thing is someday Surur will actually try an iphone, realize that the way the core features are implemented actually saves him time and allows him to do things he couldn't do before, realize that being able to set his phone background to an animated klingon maybe isn't so valuable, and will buy 10 iphones to add to his collection.
cmaier, you are obviously resiting the idea that you have a less capable device. Why I have no idea. No-one is saying you cant love your iPhone, and what it is capable of doing, but arguing that because you love one feature, its more capable and has more functionality that a device that can do the same + more is just irrational.
I can view pdf's with my Adobe Reader on my 3.6 inch VGA-screened WM device. I can even scroll with my fingers. To zoom I click an icon - doesn't kill me to do that, but I can save the pdf to me device, and e-mail it so some-one else etc. Can you even search inside a pdf on the iphone?
How could a rational person not argue my device is a better pdf viewer? Maybe some-one who likes the way you can zoom with two fingers can.
If my device is more capable and more functional, and you are happy with your low functionality device, how can you disagree that your functionality requirements are lower?
- 07-31-2007, 09:13 AM #2046
Surur you are changing the subject. I have admitted to every flaw in the device. (And it's still a better pdf viewer because i can see an entire page and read it. At 240x240, you cannot. I can also zoom and navigate it more easily. I know, I've tried it on WM, and everyone who i know who has WM prefers iphone for this task. And I can email a pdf to someone else as well. No, i can't search it, but since all pdfs i deal with are not ocr'd, i wouldn't be able to do this on my desktop, either. And zooming with two fingers is damned helpful when you have a giant pdf that you want to navigate almost as quickly as a stack of paper, so your flippant comment is just ignorant and more evidence you've never tried it).
Now, back to the subject. You said "iphone users demand so little." You continue to insist that anyone who values different features than you, or has different needs than you, or who values a few quality features over quantity of features, is irrational, naive, has low standards, etc. It's disrespectful, and judging by the general lack of people rushing to your defense, it's obviously so.
It's fine to disagree with me, and it's fine to state facts and present arguments, but starting a few pages ago all you've come up with is, essentially, "the fact that you have different needs and requirements than me is illegitimate."
And the fact that you think pdf viewing on your device is as good as on iphone is just another example of you straying from your safety zone of relying on copying first-hand reports; anyone who's actually TRIED an iphone and a WM device would be hard-pressed to summarily declare "my device is a better pdf viewer." That's like arguing Word is the best html editor, because it offers mail merge.
- 07-31-2007, 09:17 AM #2047
The music features on the iPhone blow away windows mobile. How can you stand using your low functionality device?
By the way, your vga device is the size of a small laptop.
- 07-31-2007, 09:25 AM #2048
your requirements are illegitimate. It is proper to want to view gigantic animated gifs, but not proper to want to read the ny times with full formating. it is proper to want to be able to save pdfs on your phone, but not to be able to view stunning movies on it. it is improper to accept 320x480, and you should be willing to accept a pocket-busting form factor.
if you weren't such a newbie, you would know that you are simply not asking enough from your phone.
- 07-31-2007, 09:38 AM #2049
- 07-31-2007, 09:39 AM #2050
As far as the number of posts, I'm not sure that is ever relevant (except maybe for the super-noob with one posts saying "I just got the inside scoop and the a 30GB, 3G, fully open iPhone is coming on Dec 1 and it's $199!"). :-)