I thinks all those quoted posts give warning to people that the iPhone deficiencies do affect real people, not just in theory, but in practice too. Its part of the research people always demand others do before taking a $600 plunge.
- 07-29-2007, 04:51 PM #1902
Oh...and one other thing for Surur......
"We love HTC, but it puts the HTC Touch to shame when it comes to touchiness and multimedia, and even the LG Prada can't come close to competing in terms of touch interface and functionality. The iPhone isn't perfect, but it's the most impressive first version of a new kind of device that we've seen so far."
- 07-29-2007, 07:20 PM #1903
Don't be so proud about being on an ignore list.
Those are supposed to be "ouch"?
I trust a review from pcmag about as much as I trust Al Sharpton not to place the race card.
There are a ton of lurkers on TC, and I am sure they have gotten a lot of good info from this thread. It's one of the most replied to and view theads on TC, and it's not even related to the Treo.
I find the best "review" is to read all the issues - I then can decide if it's worth the plunge.
I bet a few Mac Forum folks wish they knew some of those things in advance.
- 07-29-2007, 07:49 PM #1904
- 07-29-2007, 08:09 PM #1905
Just as the forums do not speak for everyone, neither does your experience.
I have used an iPhone for an extended amount of time...I also talk with several friends that have them.
Surur's post of issues from other forums are not that far off.
Of the dozen or so people I know that have one, about & third are happy and live with the "issues", a third have returned them for one reason or another, and the other third are wishing they waited, but still like it enough to wait for enhancements.
Some of the iPhones work without issues, other do not. I think this depends on usage (what you are doing).
Bottom line is that forum posts, while a self-selected skewed population, do provide some insight into overall population experiences.
- 07-29-2007, 08:17 PM #1906
- 07-29-2007, 08:19 PM #1907
- 07-29-2007, 08:28 PM #1908
- 07-29-2007, 08:35 PM #1909
- 07-29-2007, 08:49 PM #1910
- 07-29-2007, 09:07 PM #1911
Just adding the 2 missing buttons would help. I don't even browse a lot on any phone, since I use my laptop a whole lot for that.
Non calculator related: Here's something I found on Cnet, it may help some.
- 07-29-2007, 10:50 PM #1912
- 07-29-2007, 10:54 PM #1913
If I understand this thread correctly, Surur's theme here is as follows: the oft-claimed, near-perfection of the iPhone is actually hype since it is just another piece of equipment with a nice interface, some limited utility in a specific function set, and many of the same problems that have been solved by other manufacturers in the industry. It's encouraging to know none if these issues personally affect you, but it does little to assuage those who are experiencing real shortfalls in their $600 device. Surur's unselfish attempt to make others aware of the iPhone's shortcomings before committing to a $600 investment (or a $60 return fee) is commendable. :thumbsup:
- 07-30-2007, 03:18 AM #1914
Phone calls and texts mainly. Email also. The calculator is needed for adding up totals accurately, figuring out how much to divide up of a lump sum for certain things, or calculating tax. At least a CE button is needed in my case, even if they don't add the % button.
I would do more browsing, but since I get to be at my laptop a lot, I just use it.
- 07-30-2007, 05:07 AM #1916
- 07-30-2007, 10:03 AM #1917
From the land of the iPhone lovers....
What strikes me (but not unsurprisingly) is the apologistic nature of the article/people who have issues.
"But they're not omnipresent and they're not omnipotent either"
I guess the bottom line is, you can release a device with glaring issues at a premium price, and then just fix them later (maybe), and the public will just accept it.
I'm pretty sure the Treo 600 syndrome is at work - "I pay top dollar to beta test your product". (Although I have don't think the iPhone is as buggy as the the Treo 600).
Poor iPhone users are getting desperate for an update however. Will Steve protect them from crackers or not? I bet they have never felt so much like a target before.
- Apple better damn well put out a release before the exploit goes public
St. Germain 07-29-2007 09:26 PM
Apple better damn well put out a release before the exploit goes public
There is no excuse whatsoever for :apple: to not put out an update to fix the exploit that was found. Right now it's ok that there's no fix because it only exists in a closed lab. However since that group is explaining the vulnerability to the Black Hat conference on Aug. 2nd, there is no excuse for there not to be a fix out by then.
The iPhone is particularly vulnerable because it relies heavily on online "applications." All some hacker (the evil kind) would need to do is design a semi-popular iPhone app that iPhone users would flock to, then exploit away.
I would be very happy to wake up tomorrow to the first iPhone patch.
javaGuru 07-29-2007 09:40 PM
I agree that they definitely need to submit a patch for the security risk very soon. Hopefully they are working dilagently on getting this update ready to be released very soon.
- 07-30-2007, 10:40 AM #1919
I think we should start a pool for when the first iPhone update comes out....
Aug? Sept? Oct? Nov? Dec? January?
We know it's not July (unless something pops today to tomorrow).
- 07-30-2007, 10:50 AM #1920
Maybe this link should be in this thread...
If you go back through the seven pages, there are some interesting discussion of why the faithful are not getting an iPhone.
- 07-30-2007, 11:22 AM #1921
- 07-30-2007, 11:25 AM #1922
- 07-30-2007, 11:28 AM #1923
- 07-30-2007, 11:48 AM #1924
- 07-30-2007, 12:17 PM #1925
If no patch is ever released, you'll (mobileman) be happy with the iPhone? Wow, that is quite a statement - it must fit your needs perfectly (or close to it). You (mobileman) are also Apple's perfect customer.
I think there is an expectation (among the general population of iPhone users) that the iPhone willl be fixed/enhanced, etc. I'm basing this on forum posts (which, as I have said, are skewed, but still present issues.)