- 07-26-2007, 03:17 PM #1726
it's a phone device. if you can accept that then let the rest of it go.
- 07-26-2007, 03:29 PM #1727
Respone to Point 2: I don't need to disprove your misstatements, you need to prove them yourself. I didn't imply anything - I was noting the difference between the nubmer reported and the hyped numbers. I made no comment about it being a "poor" launch (nothing about iPhone launch was poor, that's for sure) ; that was your lie.)
Response to Point 3: You have an attitude about minimum wage workers. Here is your exact words:
"You even go so far to try to further your assumption with first hand reports and a conversation with a salesman at your local apple store (probably a teenager making just above minimum wage)."
Anyone who read that sees the disparaging connotation about people who work in the Apple Store, low wage earners, and teenagers. (and therefore, anything they say is worthless.)
Response to Point 4: If you want to self describe yourself, go right ahead.
Response to Point 5: See Point 4.
Re: iPhone sales, if you want one, the stores seem to have plenty.
- 07-26-2007, 03:32 PM #1728
As in some Apple users...
In hindsight I should have done that but to be honest, my comment was off-the-cuff. Though I should point out that I never used a universal quantifier in my post e.g. "all". That's how you interpreted it, and I maintain, misinterpreted. I rarely use sweeping generalization in my posts where I say "all" or "every single". You'll be hard pressed to find an example.
Either way, one person or 100 can't disprove my assertion, which I still maintain. Why else are you involved in this thread if not to defend the iPhone? You obviously feel strongly about it as you've "left" and then returned numerous times.
it's the length to which some of you go to disparage and attempt to create some sort of inequality of an owner of anything Apple, and most specifically an owner of an iPhone.
It was the opposite around here (TC) for a long time when WM entered the market: I had to defend WM to POS for a very long time, not out of commitment or thinking one was superior (subjective) but merely for the fact it did what I want and as predicted, it would surpass POS.
Fact is, this is an iPhone "bashing" thread. No secret there. So I see no reason at all to apologize or ameliorate what is said here.
I'm also not sure how I've "derided" so much as critiqued. But once again, this is the Apple victim hood coming forth.
And if elitism of Apple and their superiority complex were not true, I fail to understand how this actually works as sarcasm and parody:
Apple Store to Begin Charging Entrance Fee
It's funny because there is an element of truth in it. You can't make that joke about MS (though you could make others for sure).
- 07-26-2007, 03:57 PM #1729
- 07-26-2007, 04:06 PM #1730
mobileman, I took your mention of Apple store employees as meaning they don't make enough money to know anything. Which might just be the case, but also if you want to know if the food at a restaurant is good you ask the cook. Just like in Iraq, the Generals may say everything is peachy but ask the guys in the humvees if they agree and you may get a perspective that is radically different. Store employees can tell you if they have more stock now than they expected at this point (where you likely wouldn't get an honest answer by management). One store can be a reflection of the mood in the market in general. Of course this isn't scientific but still worth something.
- 07-26-2007, 04:06 PM #1731
I'm really getting a kick out of mal's sanctimonious tendencies here. Wow, now there is an "apple victim" hood? "Apple elitism and superiority complexes?" You're really on a pretentious roll here, aren't ya?
Does anyone else see a glaring hypocrisy in this guy's comments?
I can't get over what a big deal he makes out of absolutely nothing. This psychobabbling mixed with insinuations, snide little innuendos towards "SOME" apple users - wow, and HE talks about headcases, right? Pfft. lmao.
I think its typical, and not too far away from troll behavior, I'd say. He's obviously just suffering with a sour grapes attitude and lashing out with attempts to insult those with an opposing viewpoint.
- 07-26-2007, 04:11 PM #1732
Where is my hypocrisy? You brought it up, define what you mean.
I wasn't insinuating anything, I was asserting. No secrecy or ulterior motives. I don't think I could have been anymore clear in fact. Do you even know the difference between innuendo and asserting?
Insulting those with opposing view points? Trolling? Treobk214, what makes your posts so helpful here? Unless you are one of those Apple fans who define themselves by their product, I can't see how I could have insulted you.
Not only are you a poor debater I'm not sure you have a good grasp on the terms you throw around.
If you don't like my posts you have two options
(1) Ignore them and don't reply
(2) PM me
Anything other than that is just flamming.
- 07-26-2007, 04:12 PM #1733
The Apple store near my house might be having a hard time keeping the iPhone in stock. But I'm not naive enough to therefore make an assumption that the iPhone is selling very well everyplace.
- 07-26-2007, 04:12 PM #1734
1.) It not a definition. Surfer is shorthand for something else. I see you tried to use it in your post. Doesn't work that way, unles you know exactly what it means.
2.) I did not say what you quote. Please reference the post. If you can't, then I can't help you. Again, you are making misstatements. I've addressed the one you posted previously. If you have another, go ahead.
3.) Your intent in that statement was obvious, as many would attest.
4.) You asked me about iPhone sales; I was just telling you they have them in stock, nothing more.
- 07-26-2007, 04:14 PM #1735
- 07-26-2007, 04:15 PM #1736
I've known enough Mac users (being one myself, spending years on Macaddict's forums) to know a significant percentage of Mac users do feel like they have to stick up for Macs and are really defensive at any criticism of the platform and company whether it is warranted or not. I'm sure there are Palm loyalists, Windows loyalist, Ford Pinto loyalists and 3Com Audry loyalists and on ... that do this as well.
But back to Apple users, there is an element of truth to it like Mal says: some people buy Macs to show that they can afford them, just like the motivation behind buying lots of other high end products. And some are insecure that they made a bad deal and need to convince themselves and others that they didn't. I know people on the opposite end of the spectrum that buy low-end and then try to justify why that piece of crap they own is better than a Ferrari. Whether it is or not is irrelevant really. It's a neurosis or something.
- 07-26-2007, 04:17 PM #1737
Whether you extroplate that is a different matter.
What is apparent - there are not lines out the door to buy an iPhone. People reporting buying them are having very easy experience. So there is not a supply problem at this time.
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- 07-26-2007, 04:25 PM #1741
I think it is funny that the iPhone fanboys among us that this thread and people who participate in any criticism to mean that we don't think there is anything good about the iPhone. " 10 Things that "Absolutely suck" about the iPhone. (Yes I have one) doesn't mean there aren't 10 things that are absolutely wonderful. Maybe I'll start another thread...
- 07-26-2007, 04:26 PM #1742
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- 07-26-2007, 04:35 PM #1746
You have a problem with my posts, take it up with a Moderator.
Otherwise, stop responding to my posts as you have no authority here. :thumbsdn:
(Nice to see you actually avoided challenging anything I wrote. Says a lot about your case.)
- 07-26-2007, 04:36 PM #1747
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