- 07-19-2007, 03:29 PM #1101
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- 07-19-2007, 03:40 PM #1106Aside from that, so what? McDonalds sells a lot more hamburgers than Lowry's sells Prime Rib. I suppose that proves the burger is better?
I have 10 minutes to sneak in lunch before my next meeting
I wanna impress a client
I wanna take out my wife
I have 13 kids who just won a little elague game, where do I take em
Many Treo "fanboys" have denied the Treo's flaws since day one. It appears most iPhone "fanboys" have the same myopia regarding their plaything.
The loyal Treo base, especially those who still prefer the POS version over the WM version, seem to find it easy to excuse the list of what WM can do that they can't, harping on the wonderful UI (and I don't disagree here) but now all of a sudden seem to think the iPhone's superior UI is not so significant and wanna make their list.
I think the release date of Palm's new Linux UI just slipped a bit. I think it would be a mistake to release it unless it can be favorably compared with the iPhone's. The treo is kinda stuck. In the business marketplace it will always be compared against the BB yardstick and in the consumer market it will now be compared using the iPhone yardstick. Palm and everybody else in the game have quite a challenge.
The Treo rocked the world when it was introduced and we all jumped on board. Tho I'm not ready to get wet with apple juice, it's more than obvious to me the iPhone has made a bigger splash today with regard to bringing the smartphone into the mindset of new customers than the Treo did back then.
- 07-19-2007, 03:47 PM #1107
- 07-19-2007, 04:16 PM #1108
- 07-19-2007, 04:25 PM #1109
Also, let's be honest here. It's clear to us that the iPhone wasn't meant, at the outset anyway, as a smartphone for smartphone people (who typically end up being business people). Instead, the iPhone was meant as a smartphone for everyone else: average people who, until now, had no reason or motivation to get a BlackBerry or something similar that may have been more difficult to use and had way too many features for the average phone user. But the concept of the iPhone doesn't just appeal to average users; it appeals to everyone, including business users. And some would even say that business usage patterns are really at the forefront of what the iPhone should be doing anyway: push e-mail, network independence (you don't have to chose a carrier based on your phone), and custom apps.
The simplicity of the UI and experience of using the device appeal to many who've not used a smartphone before, but those same features also appeal to at least a subset of those who have. Clearly it's not for everyone, but then I'd imagine no one device ever will be.
- 07-19-2007, 04:30 PM #1110network independence (you don't have to chose a carrier based on your phone)
- 07-19-2007, 04:39 PM #1112
- 07-19-2007, 04:51 PM #1114
User consider's iPhone purchase and decides that he really don't give a **** about ringtones so he buys an iPhone anyway. Apple does an an upgrade which provides ringtones.
Question: (I am identifying it now in bold so you won't have to ask where it is) If he didn't care about this missing feature, ringtones, before why would he care about it being later provided ?
Responses to this post not including an answer to the above question shall be deemed non responsive.
Surur: "That deli sux cause you don't get free pickles with a sandwhich"
Jack: "I don't like pickles and this deli has better coldcuts, better bread and I get my sandwich in half the time."
Surur: "Look, your deli is now giving out free pickes, so you must wanna go to my deli now"
Jack: "No, I still don't care whether or not I get a pickle and I still get better coldcuts, better bread and wait half the time."
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- 07-19-2007, 05:18 PM #1119
I don't think anyone is ignoring the iPhone, just look at this thread. Hopefully the end result of the iPhone launch is the market delivers some truly excellent next-gen smartphones. If this ends up being Palm, Apple, Nokia or HTC is really irrelevant to me personally. I just want some good tech and freedom to choose what I do with my device.
- 07-19-2007, 05:28 PM #1120
If it was me, my first model would go right where apple went.....the non business user who would use many of the features of a smartphone but hadn't so far because:
1. Too difficult to set up.
2. Too cumbersome to use.
3. Web browsing was a kludge.
4. Too complicated and unstable
The iPhone we have seen so far goes after that market. Next they should wanna go for the mass market, impressing wall street and gaining mindshare. This will require a device with no more than a $300 price tag. The iPhone nano or whatever it will be called that we hearing about now goes after that market. With a strong foothold in those markets, it can turn it's attention to the until now miniscule "business smartphone" market ... that 6% of 2006 total sales.
The income from the 1st two entries could pay for the R & D which the time delay had permitted them to develop and refine beyond anything we have seen to date. They have to be thinking that by then, they will be in position to do what Palm and MS haven't done......provide a stable, uncomplicated, intuitive UI based unit with no "kludge" like experiences.
Loot at the desktop space. Boot camp allows one to install windows on an apple desktop. Why not an Apple UI on top of WM6 ? Why not Bootcamp for the iPhone ? Why not take a shot at their own full featured mobile OS ?
Well I'll answer that .... remember the smartphone market is still only 6%. Yes 6% of people have decided that they like running programs on a 2" screen. That means 94% have decided that they do not or can't be bothered with. I have to wonder whether apple wants to invest that much T & E in that market unless it shows signs of future growth. If they were to take 15% of that, is 1% of the market enough to invest the time and money to be a contender ? Or is the consumer / entertainment sector their best shot ? MS has the business lead in with Windows, Exchange and Office being dominant. Apple dominates with iTunes. So in the end, I don't know that it makes sense just yet for apple to pursue the business market.
But at the very least, us Treo and other business smartphone users will benefit as MS, palm and everyone else are scrambling to adapt to the paradigm shift caused by Apple's web experience. Everyone expected Apple to come up with a wonderful UI and they did. But what they did with their web experience just wraps the "kludge" label around everything else.
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