- 07-19-2007, 09:34 AM #1001
Frankly the iPhone has been out for three weeks. For you to make the claim that it does everything that 99% of people need including ex-treo owners is hardly a logical argument. Give the new iPhone owners time to get over their euphoria, and about 3-4 months I think the shine may be off. Frankly alot of my casual (non-tech) friends use MMS. I know they would be disappointed with the lack of MMS as well as the lackluster camera in the iPhone. (dont get me wrong, the treo camera sucks horribly) They also have custom ringers, although i suspect apple will fix that soon. Granted they dont need the push email as my 700WX has, but they also would rather have a decently formatted mobile web page on 3G vs a full webpage that takes 50 secs to load on the iphone.
But you have to admit with the 2G iPhone comes out with 3G and retails for $300 in 6-8 months you Appletons are going to be pissed...
- 07-19-2007, 09:34 AM #1002
The iPod became the 1200 gorilla (is that thr Apple version of the 800 lbs gorilla?) for one reason - they made it work with Windows. (And iTunes was a decent library manager, although Apple is trying to make it more complicated with each release).
And the products do not sell themselves - the marketing is HUGE, and I guarantee you without the frenzied hype of the iPhone, you would never have seen such big numbers when it was realeased. Marketing is core to Apple (as is product design).
I am not saying it's all marketing, because there is good design, but I don't think you can just blow off marketing as not relevants.
Making some more absolute comments, like "99% of people dont' want..."?
You mean like:
-Cut and Paste
I think it's not just 1% asking for these (and many other "expected" features). The iPhone forums show this be the case.
I have used an iPhone - lots to like, but there's a lot missing as well.
You seem to be in analogy overload...cars, bike, etc.
Let's just stick to the iPhone itself - that is point, right? (although again, the poin tyou are arguing is not clear...)
- 07-19-2007, 09:35 AM #1004
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- 07-19-2007, 09:44 AM #1007
The frenzy of demand for Apple Inc.’s (AAPL) new iPhone since it went on sale in the U.S. last Friday has driven sales, average price and margin expectations at Goldman Sachs higher. The smartphone is another example of how Apple can bring dramatic chance to an industry, analyst David Bailey said in a research note earlier this week.
He expected iPhone sales during its first weekend would be around 350,000 units, but thinks actual sales may have been double that.
Others said the sales goal at Apple and on Wall Street was 1 million phones. Nonetheless, Mr. Bailey raised his iPhone forecast to 5.25 million for 2007 and 12 million for 2008, up from 4 million and 10.5 million respectively.
Apple itself has been trying to dampen down market expectations about iPhone sales, but the US stills seems hyped up about the prospects for the phone – which is due to launch about now. Now Merrill Lynch has weighed in with a forecast that monthly shipments will initially total 200,000-300,000 and ramp to about 1m units by the end of the year; that totals about 4m iPhone shipments in 2007. Next year could see 12m sales, still a long way behind the likes of Nokia and Motorola – both of whom expect Apple’s entry to help push sales of their own highend feature-rich models.
Palm sold 2.7 million Treos last year:
Palm's revenue for the full fiscal year in 2007 was $1.56 billion, down 1 percent from the $1.58 billion reported last year. Smartphone sell-through for the full year reached a company record high totaling 2.7 million units, up 34 percent year over year. Smartphone revenue was $1.25 billion, up 15 percent from the prior year.
- 07-19-2007, 09:46 AM #1008
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- 07-19-2007, 10:01 AM #1012
Just look here alone, we have half the people claiming the iPhone it is not a smartphone so that definition goes out the window. The major industry reporters can't even agree on what a smartphone is with many long holding that the Treo and BB's are not in the same category.
To some people a smart phone has phone and data e-mail capability.
Others say, web access needed.
Others say mulktimedia needed
Others say 3rd party programs needed
Did ya bother to read ya refrenece.. If ya did you'\d see it confirms my point
Smartphones can [not must] be noted by several features which include, but are not limited to, touchscreen, operating system, and tethered modem capabilities on top of the default phone characteristics. A full-fledged email support seems to be a characteristic key defining feature found in all existing and announced smartphones as of 2007. Most smartphones also allows the user install extra software, normally even from third party sources, but some phones vendors like to call their phones smartphones even without this feature.
- 07-19-2007, 10:02 AM #1013
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- 07-19-2007, 10:36 AM #1016
Windows Mobile had some 12-15% of this - see Canalys link above plus:
So WM devices sold in calendar year 2006 would be in the region 10 million. Add on a bit for growth (smartphone market growth is slowing according to Canalys; Q4 2006 it was 30 %) and for 2007/8 you get numbers very similar to the predicted iPhone sales (I linked a couple of estimates above). I could be radically wrong in this and either WM of iPhone could do much better or worse than predicted. Suggesting approx. level numbers isn't completely silly though.
- 07-19-2007, 10:39 AM #1017
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- 07-19-2007, 10:46 AM #1019
That said, history suggests that the Apple people are pricing geniuses. Apple products sell at list and the list falls very slowly. I think that the iPhone can sustain its price for quite a while. I would also expect that a 3G iPhone, whenever introduced, will command a price at least as high as the 2G phone.
- 07-19-2007, 10:49 AM #1020
- 07-19-2007, 10:54 AM #1021
The iPod didn't become the 1200 pound gorilla because of marketing. It got that way by having:
The best UI
Avoiding a plethora of features and adhering to the KISS principle
High product quality
If you look back up a few posts to the graph of iPod sales you'll see it didn't sell well right away, it took time for that marketing machine to take off.
The iPhone has been a huge sales success initially because the Apple marketing machine was already in full swing, and there was an insanely huge media frenzy surrounding the device.
- 07-19-2007, 11:27 AM #1022
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