When you show me it's screen rotating, viewing full size web pages, not stripped down mobile versions without scrolling etc etc, we can talk again.
Originally Posted by surur
No that point is immaterial. Apple marketing is the easiest job in the world cause their products sell themselves. The iPod didn't become the 1200 pound gorilla because of marketing. It got that way by having:
If you point all along is that we should not look down on the iPhone, because the sales indicate that, despite its (lack of) features its a more wanted device, I dont think anyone has ever made the opposite claim. We all know Apple marketing can sell anything.
The best UI
Avoiding a plethora of features and adhering to the KISS principle
High product quality
The point is you buy a tool for the job you want to do. It's senseless to burden yourself with the complexity and instability of a "full featured device" when you don't need those features. Unless of course your main purchase criteria is "Look how cool I am, my device can do this".
Yeah it doesn't have any of the features 99% of the population doesn't need or want.
That does not change the fact that its crippled, and the comparison with any decent smartphone shows how crippled it is.
Again, the point for the last time is that these overabundant, feature laden phones that are so overstuffed into their little packages that they require excessive effort to use and maintain. Again, the point is that most people don't want or need these features. To you and the rest of our minuscule user segement who use these things, these may be important features......to most of the world, they are just "clutter" that exists at the detriment of stability and simplicity.
Check out the reviews of the iPhone by ex Treo users. The seems to be a pretty consistent theme. "It does what it does better by leaps and bounds than my Treo and what it doesn't do, I ain't missin." Me personally, I'd miss some of the things, so I keepin my Treo. I recognize that my handheld needs, like my vehicle needs, put me in a very small minority of the population.
If you want to "get it" go hold one in your hand. Stop looking at feature lists an actually use it. Upon receiving my Treo, I read the 254 page user manual and spent the better part of two days setting it up. I installed Crash, PowerRun and all the other utilities "necessary" to make it work adequately and was effectively using the device 3 or 4 days later.
Iphone users are using the device in the car on the way home from the store. They don't need to open the manual except as an occasional reference. That is what sells. I'd post the three ex-Treo user reviews I have read on the iPhone but why bother. You won't get the point. It's not what the iPhone doesn't have, it's that to most users these "missing features" are just "clutter".
Even PalmInfo's review, hardly unbiased came down to a 5 to 5 tie until they got to the price category which was the deciding factor. Treonauts calls the iPhone "the new benchmark that others will have to beat in the consumer smartphone space."
Lotta stuff claimed about the iPhone has also turned out to be false.....like the purported 400 battery cycle life. <annoying buzzer>. Not true.....after 400 cycles the battery merely drop to 80% capacity.
A device is more than it's components. It's the design. I mountain bike. Things like component weight, shock design, gear ratios are all listed on the spec page are all significant. But what is far more significant is how well they are packaged and function together. Is 6 gear sprockets better than 5 sure, is 3 front sprocket rings better than 2, sure. Is a bike with 3 / 6 better than one with 2/5 ....er....on paper. But a poor gear shifter can easily render that advantage a detriment. Poor geometry which doesn't allow the most efficient application of pedal forces can kill many "spec advantages". And gadget improvement one adds to increase the amount of force applied to the wheel is insignificant if the rear shock doesn't keep the wheel on the ground. The increased weight of a large shock with 6 inch travel is a detriment to a cross country racer who gets no benefit over a 3-4" travel shock and the so missing the "big drop" capability feature is not only meaningless to this rider, it actually works to his detriment. Now if you want to do big drops (jumps) you'll need the bigger shock, but you'll have to live with a slower bike.
A missing feature is only a consideration if you plan to use that feature. Far more important is "the package", the experience of riding the bike or using the phone the way the user is going to use it. Putting the rider in a more aerodynamic position, putting him in a position where he can apply more pedal force, providing him easier and quicker access to gear shifts, adjusting bike geometry to allow him to conserve energy my reducing strain on various muscles, adjusting bike geometry and shock valve settings to provide better wheel traction all don;'t show up on "spec sheets" but they all show up in race times and place listings.
Arguments like "Dude that italian restaurant sux, they don't even sell veal scallapini there" don't matter much when all one want is a pizza.