- 07-18-2007, 11:01 AM #926
- 07-18-2007, 11:21 AM #927
It is funny...
Are you guys really so filled with hate and loathing of a phone like this guy is to have spent hours developing a site like this.
Everyone likes to throw out the phrase "Fan Boy" for an iPHONE fanatic.
For you guys here like Mikec, CountChocula, Tirik and Surur how about "Militant-Loathers" for you iPHONE haters.
- 07-18-2007, 11:35 AM #928
- 07-18-2007, 11:35 AM #929
- 07-18-2007, 12:27 PM #930
1. That Apple announced that they will provide support for Web 2.0 3rd party apps
Apple® today announced that its revolutionary iPhone™ will run applications created with Web 2.0 Internet standards when it begins shipping on June 29. Developers can create Web 2.0 applications which look and behave just like the applications built into iPhone, and which can seamlessly access iPhone’s services, including making a phone call, sending an email and displaying a location in Google Maps. Third-party applications created using Web 2.0 standards can extend iPhone’s capabilities without compromising its reliability or security.
it was revealed that the iPhone will allows 3rd party apps which:
look and behave just like the applications built into iPhone, and which can seamlessly access iPhone's services, including making a phone call, sending an email and displaying a location in Google Maps. Third-party applications created using Web 2.0 standards can extend iPhone's capabilities without compromising its reliability or security.
- 07-18-2007, 12:33 PM #931
- 07-18-2007, 12:46 PM #932
Thrid party apps The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
Through out my years of using Palm OS based devices I found many apps to cause serious user stability issues.
With my last Treo I had to stick with just Snapper Mail, which caused some issues but was such a great mail app I lived with it, and KINOMA.
The more you add the more problems you have and less productive the phone is.
Now th iPHONE has gone to far the other way in my opinion so there needs to be a balance somewhere between the two.
If not the iPHONE will soon lose out to other developers.
- 07-18-2007, 12:52 PM #933
Let's compare apples to apples, not apples to fruit baskets. And no, the different storage sizes don't count....unless you want to say the Tros models witha nd without a camera count too....and different Treo colors count too. And yes, for once, include a published reference. And yes, if ya do manage for find a model which breaks to 500,000 unit barrier, be sure and use my mile run analogy to present just how fast they sold. Maybe ya can break 33 feet this time while the iPhone completes the mile.
And yet again we get the tactic of ignoring the subject and trying to divert attention from failure to prove ya point to some minor semantic issue. The iPhone is the very first model.....if ya want to be fair, compare it to sales of the 1st Treo model. How many are sitting in the wings waiting to see how it falls out ? or remembering that it took 2 or 3 tries to get the iPod the 1200 pound gorilla it is today ? I can't exactly recall an incident of walking into my local AT&T store and being told...."no sorry, we can get you one, we have over 1,000 people waiting".
At this point in time, it's a single model. Ya wanne talk model line sales versus model sales maybe we can have that discussion in 3rd quarter.....wall street projecting 12 million sales of the mini iPhone.
- 07-18-2007, 12:55 PM #934
- 07-18-2007, 12:57 PM #935
- 07-18-2007, 12:59 PM #936
There is a limit to Web Apps
My hope is that in the future we will see thrid party apps for the iPHONE that have to go through a set of Apple based tests to get a seal of approval.
I think this will cost $$$ and so we might avoid a lot of the stability issues we see with Palm based apps.
As a user of a first generation device I will wait a time to see what they come up with.
After all I knew what was coming...
- 07-18-2007, 01:07 PM #937
Does one argue against Treo sales by listing all devices sold by blackberry including the ones that don't even have phones ? Why not Nokia.
Does one argue that the Toyota Camry wasn't the best selling car in America by arguing how many cars GM sold worldwide ?
Does one argue about Wii success in the marketplace by listing all sales of PS1, PS2 and PS3 combined ?
If you wanna argue about who hit the most home runs, you don't compare A-Rod with the Cincinnatti Reds. We have one guy prancing about feeling all good about himself, with you right in step saying A-Rod's 32 home runs sucks because the Reds hit 132 home runs. Yeah Dunn has 25 and Griffey ahs 24 but the only number that counts is the guy who hit 32. You don't get to add Dunn, Griffey and all of their teammates together when asked who is the MLB HR Leader.
- 07-18-2007, 01:21 PM #938
- 07-18-2007, 01:23 PM #939
Off the top of my head, there are currently 6 Treo models actively being sold. I came up with the number by giving Palm the benefit of the doubt and dividing 3 million Treos by 6 (I guessed 575k per quarter x 4 and rounded way up) . No, not at all scientific and prolly subject to variation by market choices but it's all we got with the data at hand.
I also find it ironic regarding the complaints of Apple not releasing sales figures.....I don't see Palm doing it either outside their quarterly fiscal reports but they still don't do model by model breakdowns.
- 07-18-2007, 01:25 PM #940
- 07-18-2007, 01:26 PM #941
- 07-18-2007, 01:28 PM #942
- 07-18-2007, 01:30 PM #943
- 07-18-2007, 01:32 PM #944
I also have no problem with EDGE and don't see how it's an advantage where their is no infrastructure for anything else....and that's the case over 95% of the US. I'm in the nations 22nd largest major metro area....no 3G here. Closest spot is about 12 miles away and it's a tiny one....and it's not my carrier.
It's not a device that will fill everyone's needs....heck it doesn't fill my own. But I don't feel the need to trash it because it I made a different choice. To many people, with their set of needs, nothing else comes close. ....and given that set of needs, I have to agree with them. The internet experience is simply amazing for handheld tho I credit Safari more than the hardware.
- 07-18-2007, 01:32 PM #945
- 07-18-2007, 01:33 PM #946
- 07-18-2007, 01:35 PM #947
- 07-18-2007, 01:38 PM #948
You both are spinning accordingly and presenting your side.
(I am not arguing the iPhone sold more than any other phone during the release weekend; again, there has never been an event like that).
I think the issue is comparing a weekend to an annual basis.
Let's see how many "Treos", Blackberries" and "HTC"s sell in 2007 and 2008, and how many "iPhone", and then compare.
I'm not saying Apple won't be huge - I'm just saying you have to be on the same page. (arguing different models and stuff is a red herring).
- 07-18-2007, 01:38 PM #949
- 07-18-2007, 01:39 PM #950