- 07-06-2007, 02:24 PM #401
- 07-06-2007, 02:28 PM #402
Whose really happy with Palm? They constantly drop the ball, going with the lowest end features that can do the job. In that way they are only slightly better than Apple.
The iPhone was however meant to be better than all over phones ever made. Remember "5 years ahead"? That kind of hype is just asking for a backlash.
- 07-06-2007, 03:38 PM #404
- 07-06-2007, 03:45 PM #405
here) This thread is meant to be a wake up call for them.
- 07-06-2007, 03:48 PM #406
- 07-06-2007, 03:54 PM #407
- 07-06-2007, 04:24 PM #410
What I DO hate is Jobs' egotism and Apple's marketing hypocrisy(see slagging off of PCs in Mac ads that make Apple look silly esp now that all Macs are basically PCs with Intel chips having given up on G4/G5)...personally I wouldn't care much about the iPhone's success (apart from the entry to the market forcing ALL companies to innovate and improve) but Jobs is a kn*b (a smart, snakeoil salesman kind but still a kn*b) and it bothers me that SOME ppl (the real fanatics) worship him (take that how you want).
It is OBVIOUS from every marketing ad they've used for the iPhone that it is designed to enter into the smartphone market - the charts were just the icing. Sure the reviewers talk about he mass market target, but what Apple is counting on is that the mass market can't tell a smartphone from a feature one due to their lack of experience... doesn't matter how many tech geeks know that the iPhone is ltd, as long as Joe Brown around the corner sees the cool ads see the cool interface and like sit. Fair enough, but Jobs si trying a double attack - high feature phone low end smartphone and it's so obvious I don't think anyone can deny it with a straight face - as Surur said why not use things like the popular Razr in their charts? It's cuz they want big business (and thus big money) too.
Apple used to be the small guy i'd root for - now they're just the thing they claimed to fight, the new behemoth on the block. MSFT looks nice nowadays (even paying for XBOX problems whoopee)!
- 07-06-2007, 04:57 PM #411
I have to ask have you ever picked up and used the iPhone? I say this from the standpoint that every phone/PDA I've ever trashed is one that I have personal experience with.
I think until you actually use one you can't truly rate it one way or another.
From a user experience standpoint, I'd agree that the iPhone is 5 years ahead of the competition. The rest of the phones (smartphones) I've used are all kludges in how they act and respond compared to the iPhone.
If anyone likes something better fine or wants features not in the iPhone, great. But the user experience on it really is tons better than any Palm, WM5, or Symbian device I've ever touched. This is the only device I've ever used that one week after getting it I'm even happier than when I bought it.
- 07-06-2007, 05:00 PM #412
Maybe this is a different device all together, something for the "prosumer" market that never seems to exist. Perhaps this device can’t be classified in the same way that we used to. AFAIK the classification that all the tech writers have been using is that because you can’t load software on it, it isn’t a smartphone. I’m not sure that makes sense to me either because what happens when Apple releases an SDK? Overnight it goes from just a really cool phone to a smartphone without anything on the phone itself changing? I think this device is different than others in terms of classification. You can easily compare features of the different devices, and when you do the iPhone blows away every other device for features it has, but the iPhone is lacking a lot of features that other devices have had for years.
My point is this, if you want to trash the iphone then by all means compare it to a top end smart phone and bash away. If you wanna be an apple fan boy and compare it to a "free with 6 mo. contract" phone, go right ahead, but none of that means anything. If you dont like the device, dont buy it. Yelling and screaming about how much it sucks or how much better your phone is isn’t insightful and it isn’t interesting for anyone to read.
Does it really pain you that someone might enjoy the iPhone, or that someone might prefer it over a Palm based Treo or WM device?
- 07-06-2007, 05:04 PM #413
We know they made a great GUI already. But that's all there is to the iPhone. It's not a smartphone, it's an overpriced feature phone with a great interface.
Once Apple decides to make a phone that allows running 3rd party applications then I'll give it a try. Until then I got no need.
Both are prevalent views, just ask oalvarez and archie.
- 07-06-2007, 05:18 PM #415
- 07-06-2007, 05:50 PM #416
Well to be clear I didn't start slagging off about Treos until the 750. Until then I pretty much lived with their faults (except maybe bluetooth) because the choices were limited. The number of bugs I ran into on the 750 really changed my mind about Palm being a viable choice anymore.
I'm not saying the UI is the only thing on the iPhone, but it certainly is the most impressive. I honestly think the UI difference is much bigger than OS X versus XP. For example, I did a "real world" version of the calamari Apple ad in locating a store, getting there, finding a restaurant (actually just a sandwich) and setting up some flowers for delivery at lunch time today. Handled an incoming call while searching also and then it just dropped back into the search where it left off. Could I do this on a Treo? Yes. Could I do this as easily on a Treo? No way. In fact the process is clunky enough that I would never do this on a Treo unless I was demoing to someone. On the iPhone I would just do it since it was so easy.
I think that is real value. It doesn't rank on a feature list but being able to do useful tasks faster and easier than other devices will let the iPhone sell alot more than the Treo ever has. I think this kind of ease of use is completely missed by most that argue feature lists on forums like this. For the general user this kind of thing ranks as near magic.
- 07-06-2007, 05:59 PM #417
What Apple did was what Apple is known for, elegant design. Everything Apple does is elegant, from the device to the box they put it in to the bag they put the box in. One sees commitment to quality in the whole experience.
The software is artful and intuitive. It is easy to set the clock, the alarm, the stopwatch and the timer. I mean really easy. Most of us will not even bother with the alarm in the hotel room and few of us ever mastered programming of our VCRs. I was never able to rely on and Alarm on the Treo.
The very thought of using a phone over Wi-Fi traumatized me. Today I took my phone out of its open Wi-Fi environment for the first time. I had heard so much about how slow the phone was on EDGE that I was afraid to try the browser. In fact, it proved to be much faster than Blazer on my Treo. When I turned it on in Radio Shack it prompted me with the names of four Wi-Fi networks. I dismissed them but when I went into Starbuck's, it prompted me with T-Mobile where I have an account. I picked it, expecting to see a configuration screen. Not. But when I started Safari, I saw the familiar T-Mo prompt. Worked like a charm.
Have never tried to put photos in my directory entries. How was one to find the proper head-shot? iPhone makes it so easy that I now put numbers in for the pictures I have; when you choose the photo, it helps you re-size and center it.
Because I am a POS user and a Windows user, some things did not come naturally to me but when I figured it out, I always said, "Of course, how elegant; why did no one else think of that?"
And when there is a software update, I will not have to go looking for it. It will be offered to me in a natural way. I do not expect to have to pay for features that were omitted. Google Maps on the iPhone simply blows Google Maps on the Treo away. Blazer cannot hold a candle to Safari.
Peter Lynch used to talk about "ten-baggers," stocks worth ten times what you paid for them. Apple is one of those. Easy to see why.
Elegance, that is what the iPhone has and what Apple does. Bash 'em all you like; they can take it.
- 07-06-2007, 06:36 PM #418
bcaslis was right.
Oalvarez, feel better now that you let it all out? Now to get back to the bashing:
webtoker 07-06-2007 03:33
8525 -> iPhone -> 8525...
As much as a enjoy Apple products, and as much as Windows Mobile lacks, I could not keep the iPhone. I have come to realize that e-mail, notifications, and data speed / availability is the most important things for me on my phone.
No matter how much I liked the awesome interface of the iPhone, I could not live without push e-mail (excluding yahoo mail). I found myself constantly checking the iPhone and even when I opened mail, it started to check for mail again, which we all know is a slow and painful process on EDGE. There is something to be said about having your current mail already downloaded when you open mail.
I also could not get past not having an LED for new message notification. I always have my phone sitting out and never need to look because I know the LED will change if I have a message. Another issue I had was the lack of SMS notification options. I have to know when I get a SMS due to my business.
I had convinced myself that EDGE wasn't that bad. I was wrong, and it basically makes the browser on the iPhone pointless. Ya, ya, it has wi-fi. Anyone that has had a 3G phone before knows that 3G is more useful and available instantly when you are ready to look something up on the web.
I will say that the iPhone is a great phone and is an awesome device for the average consumer, excluding the EDGE connection. Apple has opened the door for some really good ideas. I can't wait to see how the iPhone evolves.
Tomorrow I return the iPhone and eat the re-stocking fee. My HTC / Cingular 8525 will have to due for now. Funny enough, I was surprised how much I missed the scroll wheel. How old fashion of me :-)
Apple is too elegant for an LED, is it?
- 07-06-2007, 07:34 PM #420
Not that guy obviously. Its a relatively common complaint. I've seen a post somewhere where the guy asks "How do I know when its fully charged?" On most devices a solid green LED is all you have to look out for.
Apple has actually managed to discard usability conventions from many years mainly in an effort to make their device look good. This cant be expected to suit people who prefer substance over style.
- 07-06-2007, 07:44 PM #422
People have gone to great lengths to even customize notification LEDs on the WM Treos (one color for vm, one for missed calls and one for email/sms). I'm just happy with a simple blinking green for all though...I'm simple that way.
- 07-06-2007, 08:00 PM #423
How do you know when its full?
From what I can tell, there is no "fully charged" notice. Just when still in doc, display is sleeping, press the home button and you'll see a huge battery icon. Once that's all the way green, you're fully charged.
thats what i was guessing, thanks
You know, most phones you can see from all the way across the room whether they are charged or not. Apple's UI is sure pretty, but not very efficient.
- 07-06-2007, 08:42 PM #425