zeze22
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Hamlet to Gertrude, "the Lady doth protest too much, methinks."
(Actually, it was Gertrude watching the quasi-Gertrude player planted by Hamlet, but the sentiment is the same.)
Hamlet to Gertrude, "the Lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Hamlet to Gertrude, "the Lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Now that's a rousing endorsement! If it worked better, it would be okay. Except for all the capabilities it lacks, of course, and the crashes.
Frankly, I had more crashes with my Treo 700p and 650 per day than I have had with my iPhone, which to date have been zero.
My Treo 750 is rock solid though.
The Palm OS resets like crazy. It's 10 years old and not built for anything telecomm oriented.
I would sure hope the iPhone was more stable than that.
I find WM5 very stable compared to Palm.
Again! "I hopE.... therefore Apple IS"...
Strange
Palm doesn't force the use of 3rd party apps.
The lack of 3rd party apps, no stereo BT, dongle req'ts etc. is something TC regulars all will hate but for many consumers, this simply isn't an issue ...they don't want to learn how or be bothered with programs ..... all they want is an iPod, a MM device and a phone. It's a teenager's dream....it's the lady jogger from next door's dream.....it's the "anybody who doesn't need to run programs on a 2" screen" 's dream.
Saying that a phone doesn't do this or that only matters if ya are actually going to do this or that. For the great majority of cell phone users, their wish lists do not include those things.
But what the iPhone does offer will satisfy most consumers .......not only did they make it simple and intuitive like Palm did, but they made it gorgeous.
Yes, Apple will sell millions and millions of these things....users will be more than happy with them.....get over it. Their success will not be based upon a "spec list" but by the user experience.
The board opinion seems consistent in that these Treo upgrades do not include an overwhelming list of new features. But peeps still drollling over release dates and just have to have one on the day they come out.
What apple has recognized that the other major vendors apparently haven't is that the consumer market is far bigger than the business one. It seems that they didn't even think there was market share at the consumer level for a $100+ device. For every white collar business user, there's a spouse and 2.3 kids with cell phones. And white collar is by far outnumbered by blue collar and service industries....I don't see the waiters, construction workers, waiters, car mechanics, pool guy, landscaper, etc relying on features exclusive to the Treo and its ilk.
Don't ride Jack's coattails...and what i too have been saying all along......i'm not sure why some here at TreoCentral have such a hard time with this. fight the hype but you can't fight the fact. apple is selling tons of these and for good reason. many people want it simple, they like innovation, and they would prefer less thin/less heavy holding many other things constant. i'll stop here as i think i've said enough on this topic in the past.
palm, the iPhone is innovative, your antenna-less and curved-in sided T680 is not, and now you're paying for it.
Don't ride Jack's coattails...
That's not what you have been saying all along.
All the disagreements at TC on the iPhone come down to saying it is "better than..." in almost every which way. Archie was saying how it did email better, internet better, voice better, dialing better...everything was better and every smartphone out there was wrong, inefficient, years behind and no comparison. More specifically, from the claims by Jobs himself saying it's the "first to do this!', etc. That has been the source of all contention here. Throw in claims that "it will never crash" and other hyperbole ("it's the thinnest phone available") and you have a fight.
As a MM device, everyone here...all the detractors have said it will excel. All the detractors have also said it would sell big time and would help the overall industry due to new competition. That was never the issue.
The whole "its thinner and sleeker" argument is the same old one that is brought out each time a new device enters the market: RAZR, Moto Q, etc. It is more than obvious that is where the market is heading. Sure Palm is a bit slow to catch up, OTOH, a lot of people here also don't mind the Treo's form factor--it is extremely ergonomic to use.
The fact is, a lot of Treo/Smartphone/WM phone users buy the devices to do specific applications or functions--no one buys one b/c they want a thicker phone that does mysterious functions. Those people cannot use an iPhone and won't switch. All the people who use these devices as pro-sumer MM devices are highly likely to give it a shot. I'm not sure why that is not obvious...
The whole "its thinner and sleeker" argument is the same old one that is brought out each time a new device enters the market: RAZR, Moto Q, etc. It is more than obvious that is where the market is heading. Sure Palm is a bit slow to catch up, OTOH, a lot of people here also don't mind the Treo's form factor--it is extremely ergonomic to use.
The fact is, a lot of Treo/Smartphone/WM phone users buy the devices to do specific applications or functions--no one buys one b/c they want a thicker phone that does mysterious functions. Those people cannot use an iPhone and won't switch. All the people who use these devices as pro-sumer MM devices are highly likely to give it a shot. I'm not sure why that is not obvious...
SURUR:
Good to see they ran yo back over here from phonedifferent. I was wondering where your withering cross-fire against all things iPhone had gone.
It doesn't change the thrust of your argument, but some of your numbers seem pretty wide of the mark.What it has also done is HUGE for AT&T. AT&T already has the largest US market share phone wise ..... I have no idea datawise but let's say it's comparable.
Globally, Palm say they sold 0.7 million Treos Q4 2007 (the quarter just ended) and 2.7 million Treos in the fiscal year:If Palm had a 5% ,market share (Canalys report) with about 500,000 Treos sold in 2006 (OK I rounded down a bit to make math easy)
Canalys figures indicate about 77 million 'smart mobile devices' sold globally in calendar year 2006 of which 64 million were what they classify as 'smart phones'. Note that 'smart mobile devices' includes 'handhelds', 'wireless handhelds' and 'smart phones'; you and I would probably classify what they call handhelds as PDAs and include what they classify as wireless handhelds in the smartphone category. So, based on their figures, the number of smartphones sold worldwide 2006 was somewhere between 64 and 77 million.that's 10,000,000 data devices bought in 2006......
This is where I get a bit confused by your post. The only 5% market share number I've seen from Canalys relates to worldwide market share and I'd presumed that because you used that figure that you were talking about global sales. In the US Palm's share is undoubtedly much greater than 5%, largely because Symbian devices, which account for ~70% globally, are few and far between and don't do well there. I've found US-only numbers are harder to come by, but NPD suggest 0.7 million smartphones sold Q3 2006:assuming peeps keep an average of 2 years, that 20 million in use in US at any one time.
Estimates for iPhone sales over the w/end are in the range 0.5-0.7 million, the higher number is about 1% of the total global smartphone sales for 2006 (based on Canalys figures) and about 25% of the US smartphone sales for 2006 (based on the NPD figures and a healthy dose of extrapolation).AT&T picked up 2.5% of that in a weekend and would have done more if many places didn't sell out!
SorryArgue what you will about the accuracy of the numbers in that assessment
Agreed. The (upper) estimate of iPhone sales for the first three days is the same as NPDs estimate for the whole US smartphone market for Q3 2006!but it doesn't change the significance of the impact Apple having on those numbers nor the impact on ATT&T's coffers.
There's two types of buyers of these devcies:
A. Those who look at a spec list and make a decision based on.
B. Those who look at the experience and make a decision based on.
Many Treo owners fell into the A category but the heart of Treo's success over the years has always been B. Type A users will skip this phone; Type B consumers will flock to it. Most people are "look see" buyers....they walk in to a store, they look, they see and a decision is made in 5 minutes.
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If all you ever experienced WM5 with is a 6700, then that is not a fair assessment at all. :thumbsdn: Mind you, the 6700 was the 1st WM5 device on the market 2 years ago--it was okay, but definitely a 1st gen product.But i've spent the last few days researching the Palm Options (WM5-6 not options for me - Dad has a 6700 and it's not for me)