Palm Treo and Apple iPhone: lets hear it
given that it's more than obvious that some have made it their will to diffuse the upcoming iPhone, i thought that it would be fun to hear from some of the Treo and iPhone crowd who are less than enamored with what Palm has done with the Treo for some years now.
go ahead, after all, this is TreoCentral, and this is the Other Devices/Apple iPhone board.
- 06-27-2007, 10:14 PM #2
- 06-27-2007, 10:23 PM #4
- 06-27-2007, 10:31 PM #6
It's all on the treo-specific boards..is this an attempt to rehash what is already posted (much less waste storage space)?
There are plenty complaints about Palm... isn't this what the Treo threads are for? The creation of THIS subforum was so ppl could do the same (praise, bash and critique) THIS device...or so I thought!
So..is this the right forum?
- 06-27-2007, 10:32 PM #7
- 06-27-2007, 11:02 PM #8
and how many threads have we read re-hashing the same, stupid comments regarding the iPhone?
in the "Treo" forums no one wants to hear about their Treo misgivings.
i believe i opened it up to all parties.
it's a two way street my friends.
- 06-28-2007, 01:02 AM #10
I like the Treo. I would like to have some other features which it lacks. Every single device on the market has some feature which is missing to make it the perfect phone for some other person. Each person is unique in the specific combination of design appeal and feature set.
For for my needs, the Treo meets more of my requirements than any other handheld that is currently on the market, including the iPhone which comes out in 2 days. So, I am using the best device for myself at present.
I'm looking forward to the day when "MyPhone" is available. Where I can go down a list on my PC screen and pick and choose exactly what options I want - like you do when purchasing a PC. Customizing the amount of memory, network of my choice, Wi-Fi, GPS, form factor (keypad, touchscreen, slider, one-handed), etc. The whole thing is so silly since the carriers get to decide what we get. It's a shame really. I wish it were consumer driven instead of carrier driven so we could get out of the contract business and force the carriers to compete soley on price / coverage and force the handheld manufacturers to be innovative and compete on price / customization.
- 06-28-2007, 01:19 AM #11
Palm Treo 700wx: Best WM5 device available in the U.S./CDMA market. :thumbsup:
Look forward to the 800 WM series as I'm not impressed with the Mogul or CDMA Touch.
Palm Linux might be interesting...at least it'll be easy to develop for.
AT&T/Verizon/T-mobile can blow.
- 06-28-2007, 04:11 AM #12
I'm delighted with my 680. It's stable, does the PIM basics really well (my desktop calendar is replicated onto 3 PCs without the use of Outlook or Exchange, which I consider a positive), it's works as a phone, with Chatter I have brilliant push email from multiple accounts, plays my music (including OGG files), and video adequately...
The best Palm device I've ever owned.
Are their their things I'd like improved or added? Certainly, but the 680 is the best compromise available for my needs.
- 06-28-2007, 05:31 AM #13
But..if you want to have a dig at Palm (or anyone else you think in the whole wide world who doesn't improve their products well - say microsoft, linux, kyocera) by pretending this new thread has anything to do with the iPhone then fell free. It's up to the mods I guess, but we might as well start another thread about microsoft and wm6 while we're at it...
I won't defend Palm on the problems and faults they have, but I do know I love my treo 680...as others I hope they improve too.
- 06-28-2007, 08:41 AM #14
- 06-28-2007, 09:25 AM #15
My thought keeps turning to form factor. The iPhone has more "high power draw" features than any Treo; same goes for the Blackjack (in fact, the Euro version of the Blackjack adds WiFi to HSDPA, quadband GSM, and bluetooth) and on specs they far exceed battery power of the bigger Treo. Even the high capacity battery version of the Blackjack leaves you with a device half the thickness of a Treo.
I'm tired of the apologists for Palm. There is just no excuse for their lack of innovation in face of the WM5-WM6 devices out there, and now the iPhone. No single device has gotten it 100% right yet, but many are in the 90% category. Palm is lagging back in the 80's (%, although that could be decade). No Palm OS HSDPA device; no WiFi devices at all; double thick and half the features.
Many around here think I'm just a Palm basher like Surur takes down iPhone, and that couldn't be further from the truth. I started with an original Palm Pilot eons ago, but in effect, save for color, Palm hasn't advanced the ball much past OS 4. I know the folks who inspired the original could/should/are capable of great things that would put the current crop of converged devices out to pasture. However, they come up with Foleo and head the wrong direction. It's just frustration, pure and simple.
- 06-28-2007, 09:30 AM #16
Palm had the market cornered, and proceeded to blow it. I don't think there has ever been such an inept management team in the history of technology. It is weren't for the Treo, they would be dead.
I am frustrated too...but what do you do? Watch the slow death.
Blackjack with a WM6 and touchscreen and it's over.
- 06-28-2007, 09:45 AM #17
The iPhone is exactly what the cell phone industry needed... a good swift kick in the ***. Let's be real. The 700P that I carry around with me is too heavy, too bulky, can't multitask, hasn't had an OS revision in how long? This thing is Reagan-era technology. They *finally* got rid of the stupid external antenna with the 755p, but I've sworn to myself that I wouldn't ever get another Palm OS device. Why? The Palm OS has become horrendously outdated. Where is the innovation happening? RIM & Apple.
Palm had the opportunity to pull ahead, way ahead of the competition but instead sat down and did virtually nothing. The 700P that I carry around with me is essentially identical to the 650 that I used to have... just that i now have EVDO, a little more internal memory, and a slightly better camera. Sometimes I wonder whether Palm resists upgrading the internal memory on their devices just so they can use that as a "feature"... to try and tempt people to upgrade to a newer Treo where more memory is one of the only new features.
RIM keeps refining their technology, now making themselves a viable application platform. They've recently announced that their Blackberry software will be virtualizable, thus expanding their market beyond devices that they themselves directly sell. Granted, at this point it's vaporware, but is a cool option. Imagine virtualized blackberry software on an iPhone. The iPhone would instantly become a corporate device! With devices like the Pearl and the Curve, you can see that they're innovating... or at least to the point of you actually seeing a difference from model to model.
Apple hasn't always gotten things right, but they have more often than not. The Newton was ahead of it's time. Hell, before Steve Jobs came to Apple and was with NeXT, the NeXT computer at one point was about 10 years ahead of it's time! Unfortunately it was way too expensive. When Steve came back to Apple he pretty much single handedly resurrected the company.
The iPhone's features are *AMAZING*. In my opinion, phone technology has crawled along for too long. Look at what's currently on sale in Japan and South Korea. Isn't it nice to finally hold up a piece of technology that would make them jealous? The cell phone industry hasn't put enough time into truly innovating. They would release phones that either match other offerings or just barely have more features than the competition.
The main problem with the iPhone is the network. AT&T, I'm still amazed that they decided to rename Cingular and bring back a "broken brand." Everyone still remembers how terrible AT&T phone service was. EDGE for data is horrendous.
- 06-28-2007, 09:58 AM #18
- 06-28-2007, 10:03 AM #19
- 06-28-2007, 10:04 AM #20
"Slow death" for Palm may not be as slow as some think...maybe they've got some secret weapon up their sleeve, but I strongly doubt it. I don't think they could even match the first generation Blackjack in a year's time at this rate.
Like you, I'm sick of the iPhone hype too...but if it builds a fire under the industry to move past "me too" devices, it is worth it.
- 06-28-2007, 10:14 AM #21
I think everyone is happy that other companies see Apple as a threat (rather than laugh them off - the iPod history has made sure of that). We all want to see further innovation. That said it doesn't mean any device including said iPhone has reached where we want it to go (it could've imo but they left out a lot they thought wassn't necessary etc), hence why A LOT of ppl including those supposedly "bashing" the iPhone are eagerly awaiting v2.0 and so on i.e. future phones.
Now that the ante is upped let's see in the next year or two who comes out on top. And let's hope they don't come out with good technology that is tied down to bad options (here I refer to AT&T's iPhone monopoly lock on a GSm phone for 5 yrs)!
- 06-28-2007, 10:33 AM #22
- 06-28-2007, 10:46 AM #23
Motorola, Verizon...just about everyone has said the iPhone is great for the industry.
Only 1 of 4 carriers has the iphone, the other 3 need something. For once they might allow more experimentation and risk taking on design and functionality. Till now, the carriers have been quite conservative in what they'll take. If you actually talk to these companies, they'll tell you that carriers are the #1 impediment to new technology/form factors, etc b/c they don't like risk.
Plus now people will expect more from "smartphones" and see them as a consumer, not just a business device. I can't wait to see what happens in the next 12 months. No one will match the iPhone, but it'll drive innovation elsewhere.
- 06-28-2007, 10:52 AM #24
Link re: virtualized Blackberry software (Blackberry Application Suite), in case anyone asks. Thing is supposed to be fundamentally different than Blackberry Connect, which as everyone knows was vaporware for the longest time and never really turned into much when it finally came out:
At this point they're aiming at Windows Mobile 6, but can you imagine if they got this thing running on the iPhone what a boost that would give to it as a corporate device? Again, the crippling factor of the iPhone is the AT&T network. I know Apple was in talks with other carriers... unfortunately Apple wanted too much control, way more than Sprint or Verizon were willing to give up.
- 06-28-2007, 12:36 PM #25iPhone Newbie
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