1. Malatesta's Avatar
    Does that filter out specific numbers? You usually need 3rd party software for specific numbers and SMS senders. I'm not sure I ever used the Treo's filter.
    There's kind of a filter on the WM Treos.

    You can set ringers for contacts, known callers, one for roaming and one for unknown.

    For unknown (or any ringer) there is actually a "blank" ringer included, so I choose that for "unknown" callers and my device just won't ring or do anything --> voicemail. Simple, but nice touch that other WM devices do not have.
    06-28-2007 01:33 AM
  2. archie's Avatar
    More fleecing of the iSheep.

    My HTC phone comes with a built-in on device mp3 trimmer to make ring tones.



    Surur
    I haven't read this thread yet but I see surur is of course having a heyday with it.

    This doesn't make sense. There is something more that we are not seeing here.

    I have to say (as the fanboy you know I am) that I don't think Apple would do this. Maybe there is some sort of online thing or AT&T service that makes or converts something into a ringtone; but I do not believe Apple will be "forcing" us to pay for a 30 second song as a ringtone from a song already purchased.

    I have no information on this, it just doesn't feel right as TreoCentral forum members are casting it.
    06-28-2007 01:39 AM
  3. archie's Avatar
    This makes sense as Apple is now the 3rd largest retailer of music.
    Oh brother. What does that have to do with the price of eggs?
    06-28-2007 01:41 AM
  4. surur's Avatar
    Ring tones are big business and Apple is greedy, therefore why would they not do it? They are charging you $600 for the phone after all, and refused to have it subsidized (for your own good of course).

    Surur
    06-28-2007 01:50 AM
  5. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Maybe it was ATT who demanded they get money for ringtones. They are greedy too. But this is adding up to be too expensive compared to other devices, even PDA phones. Even they allow independent MP3 ringtones.
    06-28-2007 02:25 AM
  6. surur's Avatar
    If the ringtones are sold via the itunes store AT&T may not even see a cent of ringtone revenue.

    Surur
    06-28-2007 02:58 AM
  7. bruckwine's Avatar
    Maybe it was ATT who demanded they get money for ringtones. They are greedy too. But this is adding up to be too expensive compared to other devices, even PDA phones. Even they allow independent MP3 ringtones.
    If the ringtones are sold via the itunes store AT&T may not even see a cent of ringtone revenue.

    Surur
    What I'm thinking too...makes no sense. Apple would have no reason or need to give AT&T a cut as iTunes is independently theirs - EVERYTHING that is data goes through iTunes. I'm not sure which one is the Devil now!
    06-28-2007 05:52 AM
  8. tirk's Avatar
    If the ringtones are sold via the itunes store...
    Could be tricky worldwide given the countries that don't have access to IMS.
    06-28-2007 06:08 AM
  9. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    But ATT sells ringtones itself through Media Net. They really allowed themselves to be cut out entirely from ringtone profits? You all sure about that? But then I didn't see a Media Net hotkey like there usually is on ATT phones, so maybe you're right.
    06-28-2007 06:18 AM
  10. archie's Avatar
    but I do not believe Apple will be "forcing" us to pay for a 30 second song as a ringtone from a song already purchased.
    "30 seconds".... that's the answer right there.

    You can legally give away 30 seconds of a song as a sample. The iTunes Store gives out millions of samples everyday.
    06-28-2007 08:31 AM
  11. mikec#IM's Avatar
    "30 seconds".... that's the answer right there.

    You can legally give away 30 seconds of a song as a sample. The iTunes Store gives out millions of samples everyday.
    Again, you are incorrect and make false statements (and know nothing of the law.)

    You cannot legally give away any copyrighted music (without proper agreements)

    There is no 30 second rule and there is no court defintion of fair use; people have sued over the use of 6 seconds of music.

    I suggest you read and get educated.

    www.lacba.org/Files/LAL/Vol28No6/2179.pdf
    06-28-2007 09:40 AM
  12. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I haven't read this thread yet but I see surur is of course having a heyday with it.

    This doesn't make sense. There is something more that we are not seeing here.

    I have to say (as the fanboy you know I am) that I don't think Apple would do this. Maybe there is some sort of online thing or AT&T service that makes or converts something into a ringtone; but I do not believe Apple will be "forcing" us to pay for a 30 second song as a ringtone from a song already purchased.

    I have no information on this, it just doesn't feel right as TreoCentral forum members are casting it.
    If seems odd to me, but Apple is structured to make people pay twice for songs and albums in iTunes, (the sneaky tricks of "complete my album").

    I would hope this is not the case, but you never know.
    06-28-2007 09:43 AM
  13. Mike Overbo's Avatar
    But ATT sells ringtones itself through Media Net. They really allowed themselves to be cut out entirely from ringtone profits? You all sure about that? But then I didn't see a Media Net hotkey like there usually is on ATT phones, so maybe you're right.
    Sure AT&T will cut themselves out of ringtones. They're not subsidizing the iPhone; they've got very little money invested in iPhone customers. AT&T has already profited on the customer as soon as they submit their activation form and give AT&T $36.

    With other types of phones, AT&T has to work through a $150 or $200 phone subsidy.
    06-28-2007 10:09 AM
  14. archie's Avatar
    Again, you are incorrect and make false statements (and know nothing of the law.)

    You cannot legally give away any copyrighted music (without proper agreements)

    There is no 30 second rule and there is no court defintion of fair use; people have sued over the use of 6 seconds of music.

    I suggest you read and get educated.

    www.lacba.org/Files/LAL/Vol28No6/2179.pdf
    Crap! We've been using 30 second samples in podcasts for the last couple of years. I hope they don't fine me for every show.
    06-28-2007 10:31 AM
  15. surur's Avatar
    Let us know which show and I will be happy to inform the rights holders.

    Surur
    06-28-2007 10:42 AM
  16. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Sure AT&T will cut themselves out of ringtones. They're not subsidizing the iPhone; they've got very little money invested in iPhone customers. AT&T has already profited on the customer as soon as they submit their activation form and give AT&T $36.

    With other types of phones, AT&T has to work through a $150 or $200 phone subsidy.
    Just curious. Is Apple splitting any of the $500-$600 with ATT? or is ATT just going to make money off plans? I'd think they'd get something for helping to sell the phones, besides the plans.
    06-29-2007 03:05 AM
  17. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Crap! We've been using 30 second samples in podcasts for the last couple of years. I hope they don't fine me for every show.
    With or without permission? They may only complain if someone raises a huge stink anyway. Some artists don't care due to publicity.

    iTunes can give away samples because they have an agreement to sell the music. Sticky situation when it comes to someone not legally selling music, I guess.
    06-29-2007 03:15 AM
  18. Areplat's Avatar
    You have to prepare for this and make a lot of new ringtones!
    01-06-2013 11:17 AM
  19. kch50428's Avatar
    "30 seconds".... that's the answer right there.

    You can legally give away 30 seconds of a song as a sample. The iTunes Store gives out millions of samples everyday.
    Crap! We've been using 30 second samples in podcasts for the last couple of years. I hope they don't fine me for every show.
    There is such a thing as "fair use" which allows for using samples of copyrighted works in the context of reviews that offer comment/criticism... don't let the armchair internet lawyer above scare you.

    Aw jeez... I should have checked the post date... replied to a zombie thread...
    01-06-2013 11:22 AM
  20. kch50428's Avatar
    You have to prepare for this and make a lot of new ringtones!
    Dude... reviving zombie threads... please stop....
    01-06-2013 11:25 AM
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