I'm basically saying basic features which they intended to include were cut to meet the deadline, but will be added later.
If we were to use the old car analogy, I'm not saying the breaks is faulty and has not been tested, but that they shipped the car without the back seat because the upholsterer was not finished with it yet, but will have people come in in a months time to finish their car.
- 06-27-2007, 05:18 PM #27
- 06-27-2007, 05:18 PM #28
- 06-27-2007, 05:25 PM #30
MMS: This is a phone capable of rich email, presumably with the ability to attach photos to emails. As a long-time Treo user, I've never wished to use MMS, but have sometimes done so simply because Palm did a poor job of tying the camera app to email (or maybe it's because I'm using Snappermail because I hated Versamail). Bottom line: MMS is old-school and usually costs you extra, so if the integration of the camera app and the email app is good, this is the better approach, IMO.
Video recording: It's surprising if it's missing, but I imagine they'll add it later. But here's the important thing: My Treo 700p takes awful video clips and most of the other smartphones are in the same boat. If they're going to do it poorly, I won't miss it. It's sad in this day and age that we have to put up with such poor quality cameras on such expensive phones. That said, I've seen some sample photos from the iPhone and they look better than most cameraphones I've seen. I'll take a decent camera with no video capability over a ****-poor camera with ****-poor video recording capability. YMMV.
A2DP: Today this is a novelty feature, IMO. There aren't very many AD2P headphones out on the market and the ones that are there are pricey. And (correct me if I'm wrong), but can A2DP provide quality as good as wired headphones? It's one thing to put up with poorer quality for a Bluetooth headset you're using for a phone conversation, but for music listening you're going to want quality audio. Personally, I'd rather have a phone with a 3.5" jack and no A2DP than one with a 2.5" jack (or one that requires a USB-to-3.5" adaptor) that has A2DP. A2DP may turn out to be a critical feature at some point, but with the limited number of A2DP headphones, that day isn't today. That said, I've read that the iPhone's 3.5" jack is recessed and may require an adaptor for some headphones which would somewhat negate its value over a phone with just a 2.5" jack or USB port.
- 06-27-2007, 05:28 PM #31
I chose those features because they did not look like design decisions to me, but actual omissions, which the consumer would be expecting. Especially video recording, no matter how crappy, is an often used feature, which would quickly be missed.
The Treo 700wx on Sprint doesn't do MMS, so this product was released too early?
- 06-27-2007, 05:41 PM #34
Forget about MMS/Video for a second...
- No select, copy, paste?
- No search contacts?
Those seem like two pretty big holes (which, granted can be fixed easily enough). If you have a lot of contacts that sure seems to be an annoyance. WM smartphones don't have cut/copy/paste either but their excuse was no touch screen, not sure why the iPhone left that out. Seems quite simple.
As far as A2DP, you just know Apple would never want you to use anyone else's headset, so they'd just sell you theirs for $200 (regular BT is $120), so having not many headsets is not an excuse. Obscurity is not either since if anyone, Apple could make that mainstream just like Push email. I think it was probably a quailty issue.
- 06-27-2007, 05:43 PM #35
- 06-27-2007, 05:43 PM #36
- 06-27-2007, 05:44 PM #37
As for the Sprint PDA Treo 700wx MMS, you've blasted ATT and Edge for its problems because it is slow so this would be exactly the same according to your rules. Therefore the Treo 700wx is an unfinished product which shouldn't have been released. (and this was an upgrade the problematic 700w).
- 06-27-2007, 05:45 PM #38
- 06-27-2007, 05:49 PM #39
Oh yeah. I got 4 kids. When I want to capture them doing something I take a picture knowing that the quality is decent and I can keep it over time rather than a small unviewable video. When I go to any major or minor event and need video I take a real video camera so the captured event can be seen.
- 06-27-2007, 05:50 PM #40
- 06-27-2007, 05:55 PM #41
Re public acceptance of the deficiencies, the early adopters obviously do not care, and by the time the mass market gets it these features may have been added already.
Europe : Two-thirds of mobile phone and PDA users rate ‘two-days of battery life during active use’ as the most important feature of an ideal converged device of the future, according to a new study by TNS, a leading global provider of market information.
The study, conducted among 15 global countries during July and August 2005, was undertaken to uncover what would drive consumer demand for mobile devices in the future, as well as benchmarking brand performance and use of existing mobile phone, PDA and laptop applications. One section of the study looked at consumer views on ‘converged devices’ a device which “will replace the multiple devices which people carry around now for all communication, information and entertainment needs” while being compact and incorporating a mobile phone and high speed Internet as standard.
Topping the wish list of key features in 14 of the 15 countries surveyed is ‘two days of battery life during active use’, indicating that insufficient battery life is still a real “pain point” for consumers today. Reaffirming this, concern with using up battery is one of the top reasons why consumers do not use games, music and TV applications on their mobile more frequently. Respondents in China were the exception, saying ‘20 Gigabytes of memory’ is the key feature to have in the future.
Across all countries, almost half of respondents say a ‘high resolution camera and video camera’ (48 per cent) and ‘20 Gigabytes of memory’ (47 per cent), would be important features to incorporate. In Brazil, a much higher emphasis was placed on video conferencing with 53 per cent of people identifying this as a key feature, compared to an average of just 25 per cent across all countries surveyed.
Following the launch of Apple’s new Rokr iTune phone, Sony’s Walkman W800 and the anticipated arrival of Nokia’s N91 new mobile prior to the Christmas rush, new innovation in mobile technology is once again a hotly contested issue among manufacturers, operators and high street retailers. The market is preparing itself for a period of intense competition to create the new ‘must-have’ device and build market share.
The results also provide a wealth of insights into how applications are currently being used. The report show that use of MMS is now fairly common, with 46 per cent of mobile phone users interviewed saying they send pictures and photos via MMS, and 23 per cent saying they send video or audio clips through MMS. Sending photos and pictures via MMS is used most amongst mobile phone users in Japan (80 per cent), France (68 per cent), Korea (66 per cent) and UK (65 per cent). ‘Expensive charges’ was the main reason cited for the lack of MMS take up (46 per cent of mobile users), while 22 per cent of mobile users said ‘photo and video quality’ was an issue, and 15 per cent thought there were interoperability problems.
Camera use among mobile phones owners is also prevalent, with 59 per cent of people who own camera phones using them at least once a week. Camera phones were used most frequently in France, Korea and the UK with almost a quarter using this function daily. Camera features on PDA’s are used relatively less frequently, with only 46 per cent of PDA users with such a feature using it at least once a week.
The report also highlights differences across markets and shows that internet telephony is used much more widely amongst laptop users in developing compared with developed markets. In Brazil, India and Russia, 44 per cent, 30 per cent and 22 per cent of laptop users respectively use voice over internet protocol (VoIP), compared to just two per cent in Japan and the Netherlands. This is likely to be a reflection of, and reaction to, poorer infrastructure and less affordable telecommunication in developing markets.
Hanis Harun, Global Account Director, TNS Technology, comments:
"The study shows that there is an appetite among consumers for powerful new applications, particularly those around entertainment media and imaging. However, the research also indicates that consumers now fully realise that such applications require enhanced battery life and increased memory and they are demanding these improvements as a priority.
“As mobile operators and handset manufacturers develop more converged communication, information and entertainment devices with a host of innovative features and applications, they need to also ensure the fundamentals are in place. This means products with long battery life and large memories, and services which are cost effective and easy to use."
- 06-27-2007, 06:04 PM #44
I think it is more than obvious they wanted to get this on the market sooner than later. After all, it was 6 months from annoucement to release, but I bet they wanted to squeeze more features on to it.
It begs the question of what is a finished product? Since Apple already said they are going to roll out updates that has to mean it is not finished and wont' be till they stop developing for it. I bet their developers wish they had more time, they always do.
I think that is somewhat different than asking: did they over look some basic features for initial release?
I think they certainly did. Since they seem to "reinventing the phone" it doesn't appear from reviews that dialing a number or making a call from your contacts is necessarily any different than any other device, which seems odd since that was their main argument--it's too hard to do simple things.
None of the Apple supporters (oalvarez, Archie) seem to be concerend with the lack of such features as the copy/paste, search contacts, IM, MMS, no A2DP, no doc editing e.g. the limitations of the device, as they just wave them off as "I don't use that anyways, so who cares?"
Which is fine, except I wish the same standards would apply to Palm when they don't put in A2DP in certain devices, or omit some other function. Seems to be a double standard.
- 06-27-2007, 06:07 PM #45
As for the cut and paste. Let's think about this--if you asked 100 people walking down the street talking on a cell phone and asked them this:
How often do you cut and paste text on your phone?
Realistically, what do you think the answer would be?
Remember Jobs wants this to be a high end phone for the mass market.
- 06-27-2007, 06:07 PM #46
- 06-27-2007, 06:12 PM #48
- 06-27-2007, 06:18 PM #50
On a regular flip phone, there in no copy/paste because
a) no touchscreen
b) they dont' have the "full internet" on there
Reverse the question: How often to you copy/past on your PC or Mac? Send someone a link? Send a number or information? Copy directions?
I bet it's a lot. That is why all WM ppcs, Blackberry's and Symbian do it. It's a criticl function when you handle information on a mobile communicator/internet device.